Prospective 981 GT4 Owners Discussion Forum.
Discussion
paralla said:
My bet is that the verdict will be that the GT4 is great except the steering which although improved over a other 981 Caymans is still not as good as the hydraulic setup on an R.
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correct. It was better than expected, but not as good as my R esp when it rained ! it's a non issue though imo, it's much better than any other 991,981 non GT car that after a week you would just forget about it......
Some other things you cannot forgive as easy, but I would need to take it for a road drive to confirm that, so I'll leave it at that for the time being.
PorscheGT4 said:
very good track weapon, tweek the geo and ARB and go play.
After all the big build up and eager anticipation over the last months, that short summation of what it was like to drive sounds like a tremendous disappointment!After all the in depth discussion along the way, is this all we get?!
What about oversteering it round a roundabout on the outskirts of Stoke on that proverbial wet Tues night - will it cut it? That is a question to which literally millions of PHers have been sternly contemplating.
Deary me, all the banter about choosing colours, availability of LWB / onset of lower back pain and whether sport chrono was expensive pants now seems like it was all fruitless.
Quite frankly I feel cheated, deflated and let down. To cap it all off I looked at DBM in the flesh on a 987 last night and it looks nothing like those lovely DBM processed GT4 pics on here. I have reached a difficult crossroads / fork in the road.
GaryF said:
PorscheGT4 said:
very good track weapon, tweek the geo and ARB and go play.
After all the big build up and eager anticipation over the last months, that short summation of what it was like to drive sounds like a tremendous disappointment!After all the in depth discussion along the way, is this all we get?!
What about oversteering it round a roundabout on the outskirts of Stoke on that proverbial wet Tues night - will it cut it? That is a question to which literally millions of PHers have been sternly contemplating.
Deary me, all the banter about choosing colours, availability of LWB / onset of lower back pain and whether sport chrono was expensive pants now seems like it was all fruitless.
Quite frankly I feel cheated, deflated and let down. To cap it all off I looked at DBM in the flesh on a 987 last night and it looks nothing like those lovely DBM processed GT4 pics on here. I have reached a difficult crossroads / fork in the road.
GaryF said:
PorscheGT4 said:
very good track weapon, tweek the geo and ARB and go play.
After all the big build up and eager anticipation over the last months, that short summation of what it was like to drive sounds like a tremendous disappointment!After all the in depth discussion along the way, is this all we get?!
What about oversteering it round a roundabout on the outskirts of Stoke on that proverbial wet Tues night - will it cut it? That is a question to which literally millions of PHers have been sternly contemplating.
Deary me, all the banter about choosing colours, availability of LWB / onset of lower back pain and whether sport chrono was expensive pants now seems like it was all fruitless.
Quite frankly I feel cheated, deflated and let down. To cap it all off I looked at DBM in the flesh on a 987 last night and it looks nothing like those lovely DBM processed GT4 pics on here. I have reached a difficult crossroads / fork in the road.
PR36 said:
Yep my thoughts exactly, Chris Harris, Henry Catchpole, The getawayer, who???, the world has been waiting to hear what the Demon aka MR PORSCHEGT4 thinks of it. That all important STEERING???, the GEARING???, Suspension, whether it needs those all important front wheel spacers to aid turn in, what geo settings the engineers at Porsche got wrong, its all still to be revealed, we're waiting...! :-)
Me too I hear from a number of friends who have GT3s that he is the fountain of knowledge on all things driving dynamics regards GT3s so I was waiting to hear his feedback.I did enquire with a friendly aero engineer at McLaren about his theory on raising the ride height at the front and increasing wing angle he agreed (.....well he didn't he laughed, I guess that's because he agreed
I thought I had a lot on common with fellow ‘petrol- heads’ on this forum but have been humbled into realising that I was wrong. Unfortunately for me I am a completely average driver in every way: I didn’t make it as a professional racing driver (Ron Dennis never called), and have failed to find employment as a chassis engineer in any of the top global sports car manufacturers. The day job that I have been forced to stick with has at least given me the means to own a great car which I hope will put a smile on my face.
I do have a top tip though for those of you more gifted than I: If you think you can drive and/or set up a chassis, buy yourself a Formula Ford FF1600 – that’s right the old Kent-engine one with about 105Bhp on a good day and a 4 speed hew land gearbox. No aero unfortunately, but comes with a poverty-spec as standard for those of you either over-stretching yourselves financially or unable to select from the options list.
They beauty is they are dirt cheap (£15K secures a championship contender), depreciation free, and if properly driven will leave your Cayman whatever for dust. The real beauty is that you can adjust everything: Front and rear anti-roll bars, caster, camber, ride heights, rake, damper settings, bump stops, gear ratios, steering ratio, brake bias etc. are all a doddle to adjust and little to zero cost to change (ratios do cost a few quid). For the more adventurous you could adjust wheelbase, track, exhaust length etc. as well. No need to worry about electric versus hydraulic steering or any trivia like that, and better still no driver aids to have to remember to switch off.
You can also redefine your current perceptions of what chassis balance, steering feel, brake feel, heal-and-toeing etc. are all about. You will get the hang of this really quickly, as a fluffed down-shift will most likely grenade the engine, and if you have to use the clutch for the upshift you will be embarrassingly slow.
Although track time will cost you a bit more, running costs will be much lower, and rather than try to exploit the limits of your chassis on a B road as some morons have suggested, you can do it on a track where everyone is at least driving in the same direction and the medical services you will need are on hand.
The real beauty of this though is that those of you that find you can lap within a second or two of other drivers might decide you want to race and do it properly, or at least will have proven your chassis tuning and driving prowess. Who knows, you may even want to take it a stage further and buy yourself a Radical or similar to bring your aero expertise into play and embarrass GT3 owners!
Better still, if anyone tries this idea and discovers that they are, in fact, a totally average driver and don’t in fact know the first thing about chassis engineering, you will at least have cured yourself of talking bull.
You also then get to enjoy owning a fabulous sports core safe in the knowledge that you will most likely never get close to unlocking its full potential, and in hindsight might, not have been able to do a better job of designing it yourself.
I’m looking forward to getting my GT4, it will be fabulous
Just a thought
I do have a top tip though for those of you more gifted than I: If you think you can drive and/or set up a chassis, buy yourself a Formula Ford FF1600 – that’s right the old Kent-engine one with about 105Bhp on a good day and a 4 speed hew land gearbox. No aero unfortunately, but comes with a poverty-spec as standard for those of you either over-stretching yourselves financially or unable to select from the options list.
They beauty is they are dirt cheap (£15K secures a championship contender), depreciation free, and if properly driven will leave your Cayman whatever for dust. The real beauty is that you can adjust everything: Front and rear anti-roll bars, caster, camber, ride heights, rake, damper settings, bump stops, gear ratios, steering ratio, brake bias etc. are all a doddle to adjust and little to zero cost to change (ratios do cost a few quid). For the more adventurous you could adjust wheelbase, track, exhaust length etc. as well. No need to worry about electric versus hydraulic steering or any trivia like that, and better still no driver aids to have to remember to switch off.
You can also redefine your current perceptions of what chassis balance, steering feel, brake feel, heal-and-toeing etc. are all about. You will get the hang of this really quickly, as a fluffed down-shift will most likely grenade the engine, and if you have to use the clutch for the upshift you will be embarrassingly slow.
Although track time will cost you a bit more, running costs will be much lower, and rather than try to exploit the limits of your chassis on a B road as some morons have suggested, you can do it on a track where everyone is at least driving in the same direction and the medical services you will need are on hand.
The real beauty of this though is that those of you that find you can lap within a second or two of other drivers might decide you want to race and do it properly, or at least will have proven your chassis tuning and driving prowess. Who knows, you may even want to take it a stage further and buy yourself a Radical or similar to bring your aero expertise into play and embarrass GT3 owners!
Better still, if anyone tries this idea and discovers that they are, in fact, a totally average driver and don’t in fact know the first thing about chassis engineering, you will at least have cured yourself of talking bull.
You also then get to enjoy owning a fabulous sports core safe in the knowledge that you will most likely never get close to unlocking its full potential, and in hindsight might, not have been able to do a better job of designing it yourself.
I’m looking forward to getting my GT4, it will be fabulous
Just a thought
Dave_T said:
I thought I had a lot on common with fellow ‘petrol- heads’ on this forum but have been humbled into realising that I was wrong. Unfortunately for me I am a completely average driver in every way: I didn’t make it as a professional racing driver (Ron Dennis never called), and have failed to find employment as a chassis engineer in any of the top global sports car manufacturers. The day job that I have been forced to stick with has at least given me the means to own a great car which I hope will put a smile on my face.
I do have a top tip though for those of you more gifted than I: If you think you can drive and/or set up a chassis, buy yourself a Formula Ford FF1600 – that’s right the old Kent-engine one with about 105Bhp on a good day and a 4 speed hew land gearbox. No aero unfortunately, but comes with a poverty-spec as standard for those of you either over-stretching yourselves financially or unable to select from the options list.
They beauty is they are dirt cheap (£15K secures a championship contender), depreciation free, and if properly driven will leave your Cayman whatever for dust. The real beauty is that you can adjust everything: Front and rear anti-roll bars, caster, camber, ride heights, rake, damper settings, bump stops, gear ratios, steering ratio, brake bias etc. are all a doddle to adjust and little to zero cost to change (ratios do cost a few quid). For the more adventurous you could adjust wheelbase, track, exhaust length etc. as well. No need to worry about electric versus hydraulic steering or any trivia like that, and better still no driver aids to have to remember to switch off.
You can also redefine your current perceptions of what chassis balance, steering feel, brake feel, heal-and-toeing etc. are all about. You will get the hang of this really quickly, as a fluffed down-shift will most likely grenade the engine, and if you have to use the clutch for the upshift you will be embarrassingly slow.
Although track time will cost you a bit more, running costs will be much lower, and rather than try to exploit the limits of your chassis on a B road as some morons have suggested, you can do it on a track where everyone is at least driving in the same direction and the medical services you will need are on hand.
The real beauty of this though is that those of you that find you can lap within a second or two of other drivers might decide you want to race and do it properly, or at least will have proven your chassis tuning and driving prowess. Who knows, you may even want to take it a stage further and buy yourself a Radical or similar to bring your aero expertise into play and embarrass GT3 owners!
Better still, if anyone tries this idea and discovers that they are, in fact, a totally average driver and don’t in fact know the first thing about chassis engineering, you will at least have cured yourself of talking bull.
You also then get to enjoy owning a fabulous sports core safe in the knowledge that you will most likely never get close to unlocking its full potential, and in hindsight might, not have been able to do a better job of designing it yourself.
I’m looking forward to getting my GT4, it will be fabulous
Just a thought
Sorry chap it sounds like only people with grubby fingernails buy such ghastly things. Can we stay on topic, you know, seat belt colours, stitching options, carbon trim, alacantary wheels, farty bang pop noises from the exhaust. How much it goes up and down in value etc etc. Thanks awfully!I do have a top tip though for those of you more gifted than I: If you think you can drive and/or set up a chassis, buy yourself a Formula Ford FF1600 – that’s right the old Kent-engine one with about 105Bhp on a good day and a 4 speed hew land gearbox. No aero unfortunately, but comes with a poverty-spec as standard for those of you either over-stretching yourselves financially or unable to select from the options list.
They beauty is they are dirt cheap (£15K secures a championship contender), depreciation free, and if properly driven will leave your Cayman whatever for dust. The real beauty is that you can adjust everything: Front and rear anti-roll bars, caster, camber, ride heights, rake, damper settings, bump stops, gear ratios, steering ratio, brake bias etc. are all a doddle to adjust and little to zero cost to change (ratios do cost a few quid). For the more adventurous you could adjust wheelbase, track, exhaust length etc. as well. No need to worry about electric versus hydraulic steering or any trivia like that, and better still no driver aids to have to remember to switch off.
You can also redefine your current perceptions of what chassis balance, steering feel, brake feel, heal-and-toeing etc. are all about. You will get the hang of this really quickly, as a fluffed down-shift will most likely grenade the engine, and if you have to use the clutch for the upshift you will be embarrassingly slow.
Although track time will cost you a bit more, running costs will be much lower, and rather than try to exploit the limits of your chassis on a B road as some morons have suggested, you can do it on a track where everyone is at least driving in the same direction and the medical services you will need are on hand.
The real beauty of this though is that those of you that find you can lap within a second or two of other drivers might decide you want to race and do it properly, or at least will have proven your chassis tuning and driving prowess. Who knows, you may even want to take it a stage further and buy yourself a Radical or similar to bring your aero expertise into play and embarrass GT3 owners!
Better still, if anyone tries this idea and discovers that they are, in fact, a totally average driver and don’t in fact know the first thing about chassis engineering, you will at least have cured yourself of talking bull.
You also then get to enjoy owning a fabulous sports core safe in the knowledge that you will most likely never get close to unlocking its full potential, and in hindsight might, not have been able to do a better job of designing it yourself.
I’m looking forward to getting my GT4, it will be fabulous
Just a thought
PR36 said:
Sorry chap it sounds like only people with grubby fingernails buy such ghastly things. Can we stay on topic, you know, seat belt colours, stitching options, carbon trim, alacantary wheels, farty bang pop noises from the exhaust. How much it goes up and down in value etc etc. Thanks awfully!
I apologise unreservedly for my breach of protocol. I'm going to punish myself by ordering brake callipers that don't match the paint colour of my car and mixing options from the leather, carbon, and aluminium interior ranges. This aesthetic punishment will live with me for ever as my GT4 will be impossible to sellitsybitsy said:
well done we are already into 2016 model year so is that mrds cancelled car?
Tentative being the key word here, a cancellation (not MrD) resulting in one slot being allocated and then a switch from GT4 to 911 for another has left space for me, providing they receive a tiny bit more allocation (2-3 cars). I do however feel that more cars may not happen, as the additional allocation that came last week was I suspect to fill build slot holes left by those pushed back for specialised colours. I can but hope, but can't leave deposits everywhere!Question though, will there be a 981.2 GT4 as I suspect they won't make a RS version without it.
PorscheGT4 said:
PR36 said:
I did a track day on my bike today at silverstone and at the end of the day i thought i would see if i could get over to pec for a sneaky look at the GT4. When i get there the woman on the counter confirms none in the atrium for me to ogle but there is one out on track. So i sit there for an eternity waiting for it to come in but no chance. Looked and sounded great out on track with the chap in question giving it some welly, tyre squeal aplenty. Lo and behold when i look round the car park there is a peridot cayman r with pagid yellows on it so i can only conclude it was the legend that it is mrdemon out in the GT4. There was some very nice kit in the car park including an RS4.0 and and then quite bizarrely someone rolled up with a porsche diesel tractor on a trailer, and i mean an actual tractor not a panamera. I asked if there was any chance of booking up the GT4 and they told me not till 2016…! Look forward to hear the report from mrd.
yep was me :-) (although I am NOT MRDEMON NOW some one has cloned me) , s
t I was sweating today in that car (NO AC), put in some final hard fast laps and when it rained tried the low grip in the wet, not a chance of holding that in the wet, but did a few circles in the dry ok. lack of talent came to bite me in the arse on the low grip area in the wet ;-) I thought it would be easier in the wet !cars set up to understeer when pushed as well, did my head in, bloody hate understeer, I can see why people have put the rear ARB to stiff, this was on soft !
2.5hours driving time in it today for me, it's a solid motor alright.
Cannot say I am 100% happy with it though, was expecting more. A LOT more ! some things it did very well, some less so imo.
Dave_T said:
I do have a top tip though for those of you more gifted than I: If you think you can drive and/or set up a chassis, buy yourself a Formula Ford FF1600
And loads of other stuff,
Just a thought
Thats all well and good, but how will it handle on the wet cold roads of Stoke on a winters night?And loads of other stuff,
Just a thought
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