Prospective 981 GT4 Owners Discussion Forum.
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contango said:
On the basis of this thread, there are likely to be quite a few cars offered at a premium soon after being delivered.
Then when the 981.2 Gt4 arrives with it's ultra light electric steering and ridiculously long gearing the original 981 Gt4 will be seen as the drivers choice...... and on it goes!
And mrD will sing it's praises and it will be the best car one could buy!Then when the 981.2 Gt4 arrives with it's ultra light electric steering and ridiculously long gearing the original 981 Gt4 will be seen as the drivers choice...... and on it goes!
itsybitsy said:
On a serious note if a car is 20% better here and 50% better there over a CR does not that make it a bloody good car!
Yes, one would have to reach that conclusion based on these hard facts.There was some comment earlier about Chris Harris complaining about understeer and having the suspension adjusted to get it to handle just as he liked (less understeer / more oversteer). That did happen according to his review using the inbuilt rollbar adjustment positions which he and AP mention while showing all the trick bits under the car.
I don't understand why they would not have at least one of the PEC cars setup to have less understeer.
GaryF said:
Yes, one would have to reach that conclusion based on these hard facts.
There was some comment earlier about Chris Harris complaining about understeer and having the suspension adjusted to get it to handle just as he liked (less understeer / more oversteer). That did happen according to his review using the inbuilt rollbar adjustment positions which he and AP mention while showing all the trick bits under the car.
I don't understand why they would not have at least one of the PEC cars setup to have less understeer.
Because joe public cannot drive !There was some comment earlier about Chris Harris complaining about understeer and having the suspension adjusted to get it to handle just as he liked (less understeer / more oversteer). That did happen according to his review using the inbuilt rollbar adjustment positions which he and AP mention while showing all the trick bits under the car.
I don't understand why they would not have at least one of the PEC cars setup to have less understeer.
Dave_T said:
I thought I had a lot on common with fellow ‘petrol- heads’ on this forum but have been humbled into realising that I was wrong. Unfortunately for me I am a completely average driver in every way: I didn’t make it as a professional racing driver (Ron Dennis never called), and have failed to find employment as a chassis engineer in any of the top global sports car manufacturers. The day job that I have been forced to stick with has at least given me the means to own a great car which I hope will put a smile on my face.
I do have a top tip though for those of you more gifted than I: If you think you can drive and/or set up a chassis, buy yourself a Formula Ford FF1600 – that’s right the old Kent-engine one with about 105Bhp on a good day and a 4 speed hew land gearbox. No aero unfortunately, but comes with a poverty-spec as standard for those of you either over-stretching yourselves financially or unable to select from the options list.
They beauty is they are dirt cheap (£15K secures a championship contender), depreciation free, and if properly driven will leave your Cayman whatever for dust. The real beauty is that you can adjust everything: Front and rear anti-roll bars, caster, camber, ride heights, rake, damper settings, bump stops, gear ratios, steering ratio, brake bias etc. are all a doddle to adjust and little to zero cost to change (ratios do cost a few quid). For the more adventurous you could adjust wheelbase, track, exhaust length etc. as well. No need to worry about electric versus hydraulic steering or any trivia like that, and better still no driver aids to have to remember to switch off.
You can also redefine your current perceptions of what chassis balance, steering feel, brake feel, heal-and-toeing etc. are all about. You will get the hang of this really quickly, as a fluffed down-shift will most likely grenade the engine, and if you have to use the clutch for the upshift you will be embarrassingly slow.
Although track time will cost you a bit more, running costs will be much lower, and rather than try to exploit the limits of your chassis on a B road as some morons have suggested, you can do it on a track where everyone is at least driving in the same direction and the medical services you will need are on hand.
The real beauty of this though is that those of you that find you can lap within a second or two of other drivers might decide you want to race and do it properly, or at least will have proven your chassis tuning and driving prowess. Who knows, you may even want to take it a stage further and buy yourself a Radical or similar to bring your aero expertise into play and embarrass GT3 owners!
Better still, if anyone tries this idea and discovers that they are, in fact, a totally average driver and don’t in fact know the first thing about chassis engineering, you will at least have cured yourself of talking bull.
You also then get to enjoy owning a fabulous sports core safe in the knowledge that you will most likely never get close to unlocking its full potential, and in hindsight might, not have been able to do a better job of designing it yourself.
I’m looking forward to getting my GT4, it will be fabulous
Just a thought
Brilliant, but absolutely wasted here.... Is it possible to get deviated stitching inside the glove box ...........I do have a top tip though for those of you more gifted than I: If you think you can drive and/or set up a chassis, buy yourself a Formula Ford FF1600 – that’s right the old Kent-engine one with about 105Bhp on a good day and a 4 speed hew land gearbox. No aero unfortunately, but comes with a poverty-spec as standard for those of you either over-stretching yourselves financially or unable to select from the options list.
They beauty is they are dirt cheap (£15K secures a championship contender), depreciation free, and if properly driven will leave your Cayman whatever for dust. The real beauty is that you can adjust everything: Front and rear anti-roll bars, caster, camber, ride heights, rake, damper settings, bump stops, gear ratios, steering ratio, brake bias etc. are all a doddle to adjust and little to zero cost to change (ratios do cost a few quid). For the more adventurous you could adjust wheelbase, track, exhaust length etc. as well. No need to worry about electric versus hydraulic steering or any trivia like that, and better still no driver aids to have to remember to switch off.
You can also redefine your current perceptions of what chassis balance, steering feel, brake feel, heal-and-toeing etc. are all about. You will get the hang of this really quickly, as a fluffed down-shift will most likely grenade the engine, and if you have to use the clutch for the upshift you will be embarrassingly slow.
Although track time will cost you a bit more, running costs will be much lower, and rather than try to exploit the limits of your chassis on a B road as some morons have suggested, you can do it on a track where everyone is at least driving in the same direction and the medical services you will need are on hand.
The real beauty of this though is that those of you that find you can lap within a second or two of other drivers might decide you want to race and do it properly, or at least will have proven your chassis tuning and driving prowess. Who knows, you may even want to take it a stage further and buy yourself a Radical or similar to bring your aero expertise into play and embarrass GT3 owners!
Better still, if anyone tries this idea and discovers that they are, in fact, a totally average driver and don’t in fact know the first thing about chassis engineering, you will at least have cured yourself of talking bull.
You also then get to enjoy owning a fabulous sports core safe in the knowledge that you will most likely never get close to unlocking its full potential, and in hindsight might, not have been able to do a better job of designing it yourself.
I’m looking forward to getting my GT4, it will be fabulous
Just a thought
Ok so now that various people have driven the car where are the pages of arguments about the steering, the gearing, what it's like to drive, does it live up to the hype, is it better than a gt3 etc etc etc. meanwhile on page 1 of the ph Porsche forum there are no less than TWO threads discussing gt4 COLOURS totalling 62, let's repeat that 62 pages. Excuse my French but WTF?
PR36 said:
Ok so now that various people have driven the car where are the pages of arguments about the steering, the gearing, what it's like to drive, does it live up to the hype, is it better than a gt3 etc etc etc. meanwhile on page 1 of the ph Porsche forum there are no less than TWO threads discussing gt4 COLOURS totalling 62, let's repeat that 62 pages. Excuse my French but WTF?
Well, that's a good question...Only a few PHers have actually driven one. The rest of us speculative owners have been constrained to commenting upon colours and whether it will manage to make it up our driveways.
It sounds like you are out to bust some balls, but all we have to go on thus far is based on PEC drives and some early customer deliveries.
Alarmingly, nobody has been too effusive so far. It's almost as if the hype has eclipsed reality. I don't think that is true though and look forward to some big ballsy effusivness.
As per my feedback it's epic.
Steering feel brilliant, chassis sublime. The bad points are nit picking (designed in i.e long gearing, restricted engine) and don't detract from the fact it's an amazing car. Certainly the best thing I've driven for as long as I can remember and before I chose the GT4 looked at / drove F430, Gallado, V10 R8, Cayman R. Better than that lot, the old R by some margin in my opinion.
Very flattering car I suspect in the softer set-up.
I drove up in a half decent car, nothing amazing (2015 Golf R) and since driving the GT4 it just feels s
t in every respect. Once you have driven one prepare to want it now!
But now let's stop fking about with how it drives, it's all about colour combos, is the Nav worth it for resell and seats.
Steering feel brilliant, chassis sublime. The bad points are nit picking (designed in i.e long gearing, restricted engine) and don't detract from the fact it's an amazing car. Certainly the best thing I've driven for as long as I can remember and before I chose the GT4 looked at / drove F430, Gallado, V10 R8, Cayman R. Better than that lot, the old R by some margin in my opinion.
Very flattering car I suspect in the softer set-up.
I drove up in a half decent car, nothing amazing (2015 Golf R) and since driving the GT4 it just feels s
t in every respect. Once you have driven one prepare to want it now!But now let's stop f
king about with how it drives, it's all about colour combos, is the Nav worth it for resell and seats.homerdog said:
PR36 said:
faux RS door handles
They're definitely genuine! To be honest, you sound as bad as MrD, trying to defend your own choice of car. Why does everybody on here take it as a personal insult when somebody likes something different?!anonymous said:
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Sorry, firstly I was asking if you wrk in the press ?I was also interested in which off the shelf, road legal, under warranty (for the road), track toy you would recommend for £65k ?
I have a soft spot for Lotus and have owned/tracked a 2 eleven for three years so agree to a point re: an Exige. I believe to do the car real justice on track you would need a trailer and tow car, imho. This for most is a totally different proposition. I would hazard a guess that most GT4 customers will use the car, as you suggest, as an occasional track day car.
anonymous said:
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It is the rounded proposition that makes it so attractive, like all GT cars. Same could be said of most BMW M cars ( less so of Audi RS or MM AMG cars) although on the E90/92 version, weight is an issue. Even the flagship CRT/GTS versions are not as well rounded as the 7.2 GT3/RS.Edited by Mermaid on Saturday 1st August 12:09
anonymous said:
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The point is that at this moment the GT4 represents very good value to the occasional track day goer as an overall ownership proposition. The Toyota sourced Exige engines are becoming hard to source now so replacing one is not as cheap or easy as you may think. This being said they still make great track day cars at reasonable running costs. The older models have the built in advantage of being relatively lightweight which in my opinion is of paramount importance, especially to the wallet !!
BTW, you still did not answer my original question ? :-)
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