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Steve Rance]PPPPP said:
What was disapointing about the brakes in your experience? was it under servo'd, bad feel etc?
No bite and it just did not stop in a shorter distance vs my Spyder with Cup's and PCCB !!some one else also said "the pec GT4 brakes were rubbish" not my words, I was just shocked how bad they were over what I was expecting.
Thing is, after all the hype of over braked car comments I expected it to pull my face off.
the feel was there and you have to press them like GT cars of old, none of this over servo'ed 981 feel, but it was meh !
I am hoping it's just that pre production car.
PorscheGT4 said:
but they are £75k in real money and interest rates played a massive part in people playing with money they cannot get much interest from.
Look at R and and Spyder sales when people has less money, 2 of the best Cars Porsche have made and very very low world wide sales in fact they had to discount the R and only 220 got sold in the UK.
Yes and interest rates were low then!there are number of reasons why they didn't sell and nothing to do with interest rates!Look at R and and Spyder sales when people has less money, 2 of the best Cars Porsche have made and very very low world wide sales in fact they had to discount the R and only 220 got sold in the UK.
Steve Rance said:
Did the car trigger it's abs anywhere?
only when much slower as expected, I did a lot of brake tests in the car, I had it for 2.5 hours and took it to the other new section and did a few tests with it.full on plus threshold braking at ABS point.
Car pulls up straight at 70mph hands off the wheel and also still stopped fast, just the 1st 20mph of retardation felt lacking and no bite in initial press.
It's not a cold disk issue as I did 3 or 4 warm up laps 1st, My PCCB bite like hell even from cold, can put the car on it's nose enough to even see instructors wince when I take them out, all have said "very impressive brakes" which is going some from ex racers on track days I have been too.
I was expecting the GT4 to be even better with 410mm disks.
cc3 said:
Shame interest rates aren't higher then maybe you wouldn't have ordered one and then I could log on to this forum and read some interesting posts instead of the usual nonsense.
We have a winner!! All things considered I think I rather have a dearer mortgage than continue to read some of this rubbish! I'd still be buying a GT4 too....itsybitsy said:
Yes and interest rates were low then!there are number of reasons why they didn't sell and nothing to do with interest rates!
EVERY THING revolves round interest rates esp luxury buying , hence why the bank puts them up and puts them down to try and get things moving, the issue is low rates and low inflation, the banks don't know what to do !!if rates were 6% and people base mortgage was £500 a month more, these people would NOT be able to afford cars on daft PCP rates per month !!! (as most people seem to buy on a PCP these days)
PPPPPP said:
PorscheGT4 said:
but they are £75k in real money and interest rates played a massive part in people playing with money they cannot get much interest from.
Look at R and and Spyder sales when people has less money, 2 of the best Cars Porsche have made and very very low world wide sales in fact they had to discount the R and only 220 got sold in the UK.
With respect, the GT4 is a different league to the R. Look at R and and Spyder sales when people has less money, 2 of the best Cars Porsche have made and very very low world wide sales in fact they had to discount the R and only 220 got sold in the UK.
well done for you Mr D genuinely for loving the cars you have. The idea though that they are 2 of the best cars Porsche have ever made is really pure fantasy. They are good cars thats all. It shows amongst their values..the only thing you can really say about them is they have generally not fallen out of bed like other boxsters/caymans have. The GT4 has been in essence, the saviour of the Cayman's platform - it is Porsche's worst seller.The story is next year when they go flat 4 turbo, the cayman becomes the new entry level car with the Boxster at a premium and I can well believe that.
Porsche customers in general tend to know what they are after and what they want as has been seen with the GT4 and undoubtedly for a short while they will attract premiums...the Cayman R never did. I am pretty sure you said on a couple of pages back you still had to 'tweak' your R or Spyder to get it the way you really wanted it..thats part of the issue and really, we can all do that with any car post production. It happens to be my own opinion that the 991 GT3 helped along 996/997 values and the GT4 may of helped people take notice of the Cayman R but I doubt for that long.
You can turn a Cayman S into a CR but you cannot turn a boxsterS into a spyder!imho the CR is overpriced at the moment whereas the spyder is a true classic and warrants the £15k premium over a BS.
With regards to the gt4 premium I cannot see prices hitting more than £90k(to close to a nearly new 991gts)and the clear winners will be those who are not to heavy on the options ie £70k car making £20k and. £80k car only £10k.
But cannot see prices dropping that much over next 3-5 years but clear winners will be yet again the circa £70k new price cars!
With regards to the gt4 premium I cannot see prices hitting more than £90k(to close to a nearly new 991gts)and the clear winners will be those who are not to heavy on the options ie £70k car making £20k and. £80k car only £10k.
But cannot see prices dropping that much over next 3-5 years but clear winners will be yet again the circa £70k new price cars!
I will second the opinion of the PEC GT4's brakes, initially didn't feel as good as a GTS previously driven that had PCCB's, squelled for the first twenty minutes then settled in for what felt like good performance. I felt that they were underperforming, It may have had some issue with the pads, good pedal feel but just felt a bit lacking on the dynamic stopping I was expecting. I've specced PCCB's as well and really hope this is an isolated case...
some one else also said "the pec GT4 brakes were rubbish" not my words, I was just shocked how bad they were over what I was expecting.
Thing is, after all the hype of over braked car comments I expected it to pull my face off.
the feel was there and you have to press them like GT cars of old, none of this over servo'ed 981 feel, but it was meh !
I am hoping it's just that pre production car.
PorscheGT4 said:
Steve Rance]PPPPP said:
What was disapointing about the brakes in your experience? was it under servo'd, bad feel etc?
No bite and it just did not stop in a shorter distance vs my Spyder with Cup's and PCCB !!some one else also said "the pec GT4 brakes were rubbish" not my words, I was just shocked how bad they were over what I was expecting.
Thing is, after all the hype of over braked car comments I expected it to pull my face off.
the feel was there and you have to press them like GT cars of old, none of this over servo'ed 981 feel, but it was meh !
I am hoping it's just that pre production car.
PorscheGT4 said:
No bite and it just did not stop in a shorter distance vs my Spyder with Cup's and PCCB !!
only when much slower as expected, I did a lot of brake tests in the car, I had it for 2.5 hours and took it to the other new section and did a few tests with it.
full on plus threshold braking at ABS point.
Car pulls up straight at 70mph hands off the wheel and also still stopped fast, just the 1st 20mph of retardation felt lacking and no bite in initial press.
It's not a cold disk issue as I did 3 or 4 warm up laps 1st, My PCCB bite like hell even from cold, can put the car on it's nose enough to even see instructors wince when I take them out, all have said "very impressive brakes" which is going some from ex racers on track days I have been too.
I was expecting the GT4 to be even better with 410mm disks.
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Was that actual tested distance between the cars for your spyder or just perceived braking....?only when much slower as expected, I did a lot of brake tests in the car, I had it for 2.5 hours and took it to the other new section and did a few tests with it.
full on plus threshold braking at ABS point.
Car pulls up straight at 70mph hands off the wheel and also still stopped fast, just the 1st 20mph of retardation felt lacking and no bite in initial press.
It's not a cold disk issue as I did 3 or 4 warm up laps 1st, My PCCB bite like hell even from cold, can put the car on it's nose enough to even see instructors wince when I take them out, all have said "very impressive brakes" which is going some from ex racers on track days I have been too.
I was expecting the GT4 to be even better with 410mm disks.
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Sport auto supertest has the 991 gt3, 991 gt3 rs and cayman gt4 all more or less braking 100-0 and 200-0 kmh all more or less the same distances on Cup2s. Perhaps there is a car problem with that specific PEC car but I'd suggest from the instrumented data tests there isn't going to be an issue with braking in the GT4.
berty37 said:
Agreed.
well done for you Mr D genuinely for loving the cars you have. The idea though that they are 2 of the best cars Porsche have ever made is really pure fantasy. They are good cars thats all. It shows amongst their values..the only thing you can really say about them is they have generally not fallen out of bed like other boxsters/caymans have. The GT4 has been in essence, the saviour of the Cayman's platform - it is Porsche's worst seller.The story is next year when they go flat 4 turbo, the cayman becomes the new entry level car with the Boxster at a premium and I can well believe that.
Porsche customers in general tend to know what they are after and what they want as has been seen with the GT4 and undoubtedly for a short while they will attract premiums...the Cayman R never did. I am pretty sure you said on a couple of pages back you still had to 'tweak' your R or Spyder to get it the way you really wanted it..thats part of the issue and really, we can all do that with any car post production. It happens to be my own opinion that the 991 GT3 helped along 996/997 values and the GT4 may of helped people take notice of the Cayman R but I doubt for that long.
"The GT4 has been in essence, the saviour of the Cayman's platform" 200 UK sales saves Cayman platform !!! well done for you Mr D genuinely for loving the cars you have. The idea though that they are 2 of the best cars Porsche have ever made is really pure fantasy. They are good cars thats all. It shows amongst their values..the only thing you can really say about them is they have generally not fallen out of bed like other boxsters/caymans have. The GT4 has been in essence, the saviour of the Cayman's platform - it is Porsche's worst seller.The story is next year when they go flat 4 turbo, the cayman becomes the new entry level car with the Boxster at a premium and I can well believe that.
Porsche customers in general tend to know what they are after and what they want as has been seen with the GT4 and undoubtedly for a short while they will attract premiums...the Cayman R never did. I am pretty sure you said on a couple of pages back you still had to 'tweak' your R or Spyder to get it the way you really wanted it..thats part of the issue and really, we can all do that with any car post production. It happens to be my own opinion that the 991 GT3 helped along 996/997 values and the GT4 may of helped people take notice of the Cayman R but I doubt for that long.
itsybitsy said:
The yellow pec gt4 is a pre production model that has been heavily used for the last couple of months and once people get there cars ie mrD will be singing the cars brakes praises!
Out of the box the CR and spyder brakes were not exceptional !
oem steels on the R and Spyder are very lacking, I have always said this.Out of the box the CR and spyder brakes were not exceptional !
I have done back to back tests on the 4pot set up vs the 6 pot PCCB set up it's night and day.
I'll do tests vs all 3 when the GT4 arrives, the results will be what the results will be. every one is hoping the PEC car is a 1 off I am for sure.
if my cars brakes are ok then they will be ok and the praises can start, but I can only report what has been driven so far !
At £70k with some well chosen extras out of the box you cannot complain too much about the brakes ( which could be a pad issue).
If one was to spend say £10k improving said brakes and gearing which were your biggest niggles then what a car!
Or if not 100% happy just order the car with ceramics and then it's only the gearing to deal with!
If one was to spend say £10k improving said brakes and gearing which were your biggest niggles then what a car!
Or if not 100% happy just order the car with ceramics and then it's only the gearing to deal with!
itsybitsy said:
At £70k with some well chosen extras out of the box you cannot complain too much about the brakes ( which could be a pad issue).
If one was to spend say £10k improving said brakes and gearing which were your biggest niggles then what a car!
Or if not 100% happy just order the car with ceramics and then it's only the gearing to deal with!
the pec car is on CCB'sIf one was to spend say £10k improving said brakes and gearing which were your biggest niggles then what a car!
Or if not 100% happy just order the car with ceramics and then it's only the gearing to deal with!
PorscheGT4 said:
"The GT4 has been in essence, the saviour of the Cayman's platform" 200 UK sales saves Cayman platform !!!
So why then if as you question that the GT4 is not in the same league as the Cayman R(which it isn't) at what £45k where they have always been incidentally why then at £20k less than a base Gt4 is it not being lifted out of sight... The market decides these things.You know I am not saying for a moment that they were ever going to do away with the Cayman I was just pointing out that for a pretty much lacklustre model in sales terms the GT4 is the first Cayman that has got people genuinely excited.
Edited by berty37 on Monday 10th August 17:41
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