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Mario149 said:
Why bother having a great engine in a road biased sportscar that revs to 7800rpm if you're going to make gearing on it so long you can only redline it in 2 gears without losing your licence here in the UK. That's what pees me off about 981 manual gearing (I'm not having a specific dig at the GT4)
My 964 and both of the boxsters I had, all break the UK speed limit by a lot if I redline them in anything other than the first two gears. 
boxsey said:
Mario149 said:
Why bother having a great engine in a road biased sportscar that revs to 7800rpm if you're going to make gearing on it so long you can only redline it in 2 gears without losing your licence here in the UK. That's what pees me off about 981 manual gearing (I'm not having a specific dig at the GT4)
My 964 and both of the boxsters I had, all break the UK speed limit by a lot if I redline them in anything other than the first two gears. 997 GT3 suffers the same: my mate was driving my GT3 the other day (literally his dream car) for the first time ever and without me mentioning it complained that 2nd and 3rd were too long after trying to stretch its legs a little on an NSL DC.
Edited by Mario149 on Wednesday 30th September 16:43
PorscheGT4 said:
It does suck, if it's like a GT3 mine will not be staying long in the fleet. You could not give me a GT3.
85mph in 2nd is a joke, people who say it's ok are odd !! inc all GT3 owners :-p most over rated road car the last 10 years.
It really does sound like you're building up a justifiable case to flip the car....85mph in 2nd is a joke, people who say it's ok are odd !! inc all GT3 owners :-p most over rated road car the last 10 years.
;-) and indeed, lol
Mario149 said:
That may be true, but I didn't say a lot, I said losing your licence i.e. 100mph. Having a road biased car in which you can't rev out 3rd without staying below the limit at which if you're caught in the UK you will automatically lose your licence even on a dual carriageway NSL road is a bit daft IMO. I'm willing to risk points by occasionally extending the car when safe and conditions permit, but I'm not willing to risk an outright ban to rev out 3rd gear.
997 GT3 suffers the same: my mate was driving my GT3 the other day (literally his dream car) for the first time ever and without me mentioning it complained that 2nd and 3rd were too long after trying to stretch its legs a little on an NSL DC.
The 100 mph thing leading to an automatic loss of license is a misconception. Just as only being able to get to 90 something mph and avoiding being banned is also a misconception. The punishment given out will be at the discretion of the judge. Therefore revving out an old 911/early boxster in 3rd gear and achieving 90 something mph or a GT3/GT4 in the same gear and achieving 100 something mph, on a UK road, carries pretty much the same risk of getting banned. 997 GT3 suffers the same: my mate was driving my GT3 the other day (literally his dream car) for the first time ever and without me mentioning it complained that 2nd and 3rd were too long after trying to stretch its legs a little on an NSL DC.
Edited by Mario149 on Wednesday 30th September 16:43
However, when you get to the track in the GT3/GT4 you'll often find those few extra mph in 2nd and 3rd gears very useful. We all know that the GT3/GT4 are a compromise between road and track, maybe Porsche have biased the gearing more towards the track?
looking at track use and the tracks I have also done in my Spyder the gearing still sucks ;-)
as for speeds it's normally 30mph over what ever the limit the road is as a guide line to a ban, but I have been to court at 101mph in a 60mph zone and NOT been banned.
But my fine was big and paid on court day. they would rather the money paid the same day than ban you. Money talks it seems
as for speeds it's normally 30mph over what ever the limit the road is as a guide line to a ban, but I have been to court at 101mph in a 60mph zone and NOT been banned.
But my fine was big and paid on court day. they would rather the money paid the same day than ban you. Money talks it seems
Edited by PorscheGT4 on Wednesday 30th September 18:32
boxsey said:
The 100 mph thing leading to an automatic loss of license is a misconception. Just as only being able to get to 90 something mph and avoiding being banned is also a misconception. The punishment given out will be at the discretion of the judge. Therefore revving out an old 911/early boxster in 3rd gear and achieving 90 something mph or a GT3/GT4 in the same gear and achieving 100 something mph, on a UK road, carries pretty much the same risk of getting banned.
However, when you get to the track in the GT3/GT4 you'll often find those few extra mph in 2nd and 3rd gears very useful. We all know that the GT3/GT4 are a compromise between road and track, maybe Porsche have biased the gearing more towards the track?
The guideline is 30mph over the limit, there is no doubt some leeway, but all other things being equal, 30mph over (100mph in this case) is the tipping point. Anyway, my 993 does about 90mph in 3rd from memory (good), my PDK BGTS does about 98mph (okay) and my GT3 does a massive 115mph+ (Not good)However, when you get to the track in the GT3/GT4 you'll often find those few extra mph in 2nd and 3rd gears very useful. We all know that the GT3/GT4 are a compromise between road and track, maybe Porsche have biased the gearing more towards the track?
The GT3 and 4 are clearly biased for track in terms of ratios which is fine, but i'll not pretend that it makes that much positive difference on track. I mainly drive brands and Bedford, and I would actually prefer shorter ratios for both. Especially brands where I only get into 4th gear for a few seconds
PorscheGT4 said:
It does suck, if it's like a GT3 mine will not be staying long in the fleet. You could not give me a GT3.
85mph in 2nd is a joke, people who say it's ok are odd !! inc all GT3 owners :-p most over rated road car the last 10 years.
Those who don't own GT4s are once again harping on about gearing....! Quelle surprise..!85mph in 2nd is a joke, people who say it's ok are odd !! inc all GT3 owners :-p most over rated road car the last 10 years.
So as predicted, the preparation for the flip is coming...!
Anyway, you're going to hate the GT4, its like a GT3, just a little lighter, and better.....
IREvans said:
Those who don't own GT4s are once again harping on about gearing....! Quelle surprise..!
So as predicted, the preparation for the flip is coming...!
Anyway, you're going to hate the GT4, its like a GT3, just a little lighter, and better.....
The GT4 is not 'like' a GT3. In any way.So as predicted, the preparation for the flip is coming...!
Anyway, you're going to hate the GT4, its like a GT3, just a little lighter, and better.....
mollytherocker said:
IREvans said:
Those who don't own GT4s are once again harping on about gearing....! Quelle surprise..!
So as predicted, the preparation for the flip is coming...!
Anyway, you're going to hate the GT4, its like a GT3, just a little lighter, and better.....
The GT4 is not 'like' a GT3. In any way.So as predicted, the preparation for the flip is coming...!
Anyway, you're going to hate the GT4, its like a GT3, just a little lighter, and better.....
I drove the GT4 today at PEC and I found it a bit sharper, more agile, and more chuckable than my previous 2 GT3s - 997 gen 1&2, the superior gear change also made it much more enjoyable to flick through the gears. I found it a real hoot to drive what I thought was pretty fast, the engine probably doesn't sound quite so special, and I do prefer the 997 steering to be honest. I'm also not a driving god so maybe never really mastered or fully appreciated the older GT3s like some on here.
I also drove the 991 GT3RS today, now that was even more impressive, razor sharp and felt just as agile and even more alive than the GT4.
Somehow I think I had almost equally as much fun in both, even though they're quite different cars.
mollytherocker said:
The GT4 is not 'like' a GT3. In any way.
Having owned various GT3s, and now a GT4, they are more alike than I expected them to be. 997 and 991 GT3 engines feel more special, but engine aside, there are many similarities. What makes you believe they are not alike in any way..?
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