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Scooty100 said:
sone said:
I had an October delivery date now I have week 47 as a build date so who know's! Frustrating as I sold my Exige on the basis of October delivery promised. Disappointed to be missing out on planned track days for the next 2 months!
Not sounding good for my Nov build Dec delivery with 918 Buckets then!cayman-black said:
Great car no doubt the GT4 but come on £100k and over its a Cayman.
Tell me of a more involving car for under £150k ?There aren't many.
And clarify why a911 is worth 100k but a Cayman with the same engine , same interior , better brakes and suspension and steering and better balance is not ?
franki68 said:
Tell me of a more involving car for under £150k ?
There aren't many.
And clarify why a911 is worth 100k but a Cayman with the same engine , same interior , better brakes and suspension and steering and better balance is not ?
Caterham, Lotus, 991 GT3 (unless theyve stopped production), Arial etc and thatsbefore you go into the 2nd hand market. If you then want to compare 2nd hand as all the ones coming onto the market are now second hands, 996/7 GT3's and RS'sThere aren't many.
And clarify why a911 is worth 100k but a Cayman with the same engine , same interior , better brakes and suspension and steering and better balance is not ?
It cant have the same interior either as the 911 is designed to be a 4 seater
lemmingjames said:
franki68 said:
Tell me of a more involving car for under £150k ?
There aren't many.
And clarify why a911 is worth 100k but a Cayman with the same engine , same interior , better brakes and suspension and steering and better balance is not ?
Caterham, Lotus, 991 GT3 (unless theyve stopped production), Arial etc and thatsbefore you go into the 2nd hand market. If you then want to compare 2nd hand as all the ones coming onto the market are now second hands, 996/7 GT3's and RS'sThere aren't many.
And clarify why a911 is worth 100k but a Cayman with the same engine , same interior , better brakes and suspension and steering and better balance is not ?
It cant have the same interior either as the 911 is designed to be a 4 seater
cayman-black said:
Great car no doubt the GT4 but come on £100k and over its a Cayman.
not sure why the hang up on the Cayman name, it's always been the better car, just Porsche tone it down to protect the 911 name.imo it just makes 991's look crazy money now.
While I think £100k is daft, if you base it on a speced up car at £75k it's mega value, only other car is the Evora 400, but it's 50kg more weight and £5k more spec for spec.
Caterham, Atom's etc are a small toy market and imo they look very expensive for what you get on the top models.
2nd hand 996 and 997 GT3 are old cars now and still more than a GT4, the 997.2 RS cars are too expensive now, so no way would any one swap to one of those older cars imo.
Not much else out there for £75k fully speced which you can use day to day. I do like the Evora 400, but we all know they are making a CUP vs of the car which will be lighter and of course you take a £20k bath on buying it come sell up time.
Only exciting car coming out is the Charged cooled 400bhp Exige, That should be a hoot if they keep price in spec.
franki68 said:
Tell me of a more involving car for under £150k ?
There aren't many.
And clarify why a911 is worth 100k but a Cayman with the same engine , same interior , better brakes and suspension and steering and better balance is not ?
No i agree a 911 is over priced as well i would think they cost around the same to make as well.There aren't many.
And clarify why a911 is worth 100k but a Cayman with the same engine , same interior , better brakes and suspension and steering and better balance is not ?
Its just that the Cayman started as a roof topped Boxster at well under £50k.
Plus the fact for me i just did not enjoy the Cayman i owned so find it hard to see how they are worth so much , just imo but it does show i am wrong!
lemmingjames said:
Caterham, Lotus, 991 GT3 (unless theyve stopped production), Arial etc and thatsbefore you go into the 2nd hand market. If you then want to compare 2nd hand as all the ones coming onto the market are now second hands, 996/7 GT3's and RS's
It cant have the same interior either as the 911 is designed to be a 4 seater
My fault for not being more specific but lets exclude cars that you cannot use very often..so no caterham or arial,the 991gt3 cannot be more involving simply because it does not have manual box ,and a lotus possibly ,but personally I ve found them to be utter sIt cant have the same interior either as the 911 is designed to be a 4 seater
t from a reliability and quality aspect ,I ve driven lotus's with 20k miles that look likke they have done 200k .the point about the interior is not about the seating as you well know,sit in a 911 and sit in a boxster the switches,fdials,sat nav..everthing is the same,the seats .Used cars chnages the argument ,but we're not discussing used cars.
Skyman said:
Perhaps I am, but with the GT3 it was always a choice to go vanilla or RS. Either were road worthy. That does not seem the same here. Is this new Cayman a track only car?
Its a race car - no carpets, no sound deadening, no passenger seat, no airbags, no air-con, no luxuries whatsoever - otherwise they'd never get the weight down to 1300kg. Hopefully the fact that its only supplied through their motorsport arm will keep the blasted speculators away.IMHO chuffin stupid name.
cayman-black said:
No i agree a 911 is over priced as well i would think they cost around the same to make as well.
Its just that the Cayman started as a roof topped Boxster at well under £50k.
Plus the fact for me i just did not enjoy the Cayman i owned so find it hard to see how they are worth so much , just imo but it does show i am wrong!
I think they do cost pretty much the same to make.Its just that the Cayman started as a roof topped Boxster at well under £50k.
Plus the fact for me i just did not enjoy the Cayman i owned so find it hard to see how they are worth so much , just imo but it does show i am wrong!
franki68 said:
My fault for not being more specific but lets exclude cars that you cannot use very often..so no caterham or arial,the 991gt3 cannot be more involving simply because it does not have manual box ,and a lotus possibly ,but personally I ve found them to be utter st from a reliability and quality aspect ,I ve driven lotus's with 20k miles that look likke they have done 200k .the point about the interior is not about the seating as you well know,sit in a 911 and sit in a boxster the switches,fdials,sat nav..everthing is the same,the seats .
Used cars chnages the argument ,but we're not discussing used cars.
You are probably right, for around £100k, I can't really think of a more engaging road car, but that doesn't however immediately make it worth that much compared to the list price; as illogical as that may be. I agree circa £70-75k, these cars are a steal, but I suspect many who missed out will be put off by price premiums owing to ethical reasons. I'll consider paying more than list (having previously said I wouldn't), but not at the current pricing being banded around. Expect to see many more flippers appearing in the coming weeks and months, and with winter looming, we may see some more realistic price expectations, but we'll see, maybe they'll all sell for 6 figures.t from a reliability and quality aspect ,I ve driven lotus's with 20k miles that look likke they have done 200k .the point about the interior is not about the seating as you well know,sit in a 911 and sit in a boxster the switches,fdials,sat nav..everthing is the same,the seats .Used cars chnages the argument ,but we're not discussing used cars.
sone said:
lemmingjames said:
franki68 said:
Tell me of a more involving car for under £150k ?
There aren't many.
And clarify why a911 is worth 100k but a Cayman with the same engine , same interior , better brakes and suspension and steering and better balance is not ?
Caterham, Lotus, 991 GT3 (unless theyve stopped production), Arial etc and thatsbefore you go into the 2nd hand market. If you then want to compare 2nd hand as all the ones coming onto the market are now second hands, 996/7 GT3's and RS'sThere aren't many.
And clarify why a911 is worth 100k but a Cayman with the same engine , same interior , better brakes and suspension and steering and better balance is not ?
It cant have the same interior either as the 911 is designed to be a 4 seater
In isolation my 7GT3 was an excellent car and I am forever glad I dipped my toe into the GT3 world for a year, and it seems the GT4 is fantastic too. But I found the GT3 always slightly frustrating as you couldn't really use the performance (this is obviously true of many cars), but in addition the performance you could use always had a bitter sweet note to it as you couldn't enjoy the engines epic reach and the gearbox at the same time. Plus on UK roads even with PASM the car was unnecessarily firm in normal mode.
Shorten the gearing by 10-15%, soften off the suspensiona bit, and in my case as I'm a bit too wide, also switch to regular seats rather then the Carrera GT buckets, and you'd possibly have one of the best road cars ever made IMO.
One suspects a lot of the same applies to the GT4. And if you're talking about track work, while the GT3 was an absolute hoot at the couple of charity events etc I did and you could finally enjoy the engine and handling properly, the running costs would eventually mount up if you started to track it seriously. And if you're really into your TDs, a bonkers Caterham/Lotus/Radical or stripped out track car is a better choice.
Now that I've done the GT3 thing, and if I had £80K-£90K to go towards a GT4/7GT3 as my only fun car, it wouldn't and would instead go on a 997.2 (GT)S with the remainder buying the most ridiculous Caterham for the track I could find for the money
Edited by Mario149 on Wednesday 7th October 13:47
PorscheGT4 said:
Only exciting car coming out is the Charged cooled 400bhp Exige, That should be a hoot if they keep price in spec.
I test drove an Exige V6 S for an hour or so (I was interested in a cup but they didn't have one in stock) without a salesman to nanny me, and even accounting for the fact that the Cup would have been 10% better, I don't think adding 50bhp will make it a GT3/4 competitor in terms of driving enjoyment: I'm 5'11 and I'm too tall for the car, the gearbox is not nearly as good as a GT3 (and by extension a GT4, although the Exige ratios are much, much better for the road) and the engine can best be described as brutally effective but no more. In isolation, a very enjoyable car for (a shorter) someone, but if you've been spoiled by Stuttgart before it's not enough.All that said though, I would love to be proved wrong next year.
cymario said:
A very different figure to what I was told they paid
I sold a car to Tom in July, I said I had a GT4 coming and he said they had one coming which they were able to spec themselves. I asked what he was paying over list and he told me 7k. Maybe its true maybe its not but this is what I was told.mdianuk said:
You are probably right, for around £100k, I can't really think of a more engaging road car, but that doesn't however immediately make it worth that much compared to the list price; as illogical as that may be. I agree circa £70-75k, these cars are a steal, but I suspect many who missed out will be put off by price premiums owing to ethical reasons. I'll consider paying more than list (having previously said I wouldn't), but not at the current pricing being banded around. Expect to see many more flippers appearing in the coming weeks and months, and with winter looming, we may see some more realistic price expectations, but we'll see, maybe they'll all sell for 6 figures.
No argument about that I would not buy one at 100k,because I Wouldn't pay more than 5k at most over list for anything .Point is if a 4 series is 120k,a merc gts 150k,( people are asking premiums for these ,despite unlimited production and a 4-5 mo th lead time) Porsche carrera s 100k ,then 100k is not a stupid price for a Gt4.bloody hell range rovers are 120k plus..
Agree that several will be sat around at that price ,but more due to the season than anything else.
I do confess I am basing my opinion around what has been written on here and in the press as to how good the. Gt4 is ,as my car hasn't arrived yet and my driving day is month end.
Mario149 said:
I test drove an Exige V6 S for an hour or so (I was interested in a cup but they didn't have one in stock) without a salesman to nanny me, and even accounting for the fact that the Cup would have been 10% better, I don't think adding 50bhp will make it a GT3/4 competitor in terms of driving enjoyment: I'm 5'11 and I'm too tall for the car, the gearbox is not nearly as good as a GT3 (and by extension a GT4, although the Exige ratios are much, much better for the road) and the engine can best be described as brutally effective but no more. In isolation, a very enjoyable car for (a shorter) someone, but if you've been spoiled by Stuttgart before it's not enough.
All that said though, I would love to be proved wrong next year.
All very similar thoughts to myself MArio.All that said though, I would love to be proved wrong next year.
Flipped the GT3 a few weeks back whilst waiting for the GT4 and having been down the 'Lotus road' before ive been looking longingly at V6's.
I think at low 40's vs a gt4 at 90k plus its a great car and not that dissimilar in terms of driver enjoyment. That said as has already been mentioned the Gt4 and Gt3 will have far better refinement but I have to say the V6 engine is a thing of joy. The whine from the supercharged S2 could at times become tiresome not so with the V6 plus the running costs Lotus VS Porsche are different league especially with track work.
Ill sit back now and wait for the GT4 or ill have two v similar cars (maybe not that big a problem) and im not sure the exige V6 Cup will be as friendly to use on the road as the GT4 but there is no denying the V6 at say 50k less is a very worthy contender.
Hope your car sold ok in the end.....
mdianuk said:
So, anyone else still waiting on PorscheGT4's review of the GT4 having been to Silverstone earlier in the week? 
You keeping it, or flipping it? 
I drove it over a month ago and gave my review, I was not there this week to drive it, just to chat to people :-) You keeping it, or flipping it? the yellow pre production model has issues imo, did not really like it, but I have been out in other cars and on track since and the 3 issues did not show up on a production car.
Mine is a keeper for at least 6 months.
Edited by PorscheGT4 on Wednesday 7th October 14:03
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