Prospective 981 GT4 Owners Discussion Forum.
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Shmee said:
I knew I'd get told off on PH for not speccing the LWBs, however in my defence the car wouldn't be here now if I had and I'm very happy with the Sports ones for my intended usage!
Good point.Seats are there to keep you comfortable whilst giving enough grip to match how you drive. Anything else is just marketing and resale value. Choose what suits you, not the wallet or next driver or some spod on a forum says.
Those 918 style seats everyone w
ks over? It's just another "I need those let me open my wallet Mr Porsche" I need my 918 pretend seats in my less than 400bhp car too. Otherwise people will laugh at me and my testicles will implode like that episode of Das Boot." And the resale value....Mr Porsche is the modern day Fagin when it comes to playing a tune and the dogs sitting up, beging and paying more. You'd be better off with after market stuff than all this branded stuff a man in Germany with slicked back blonde hair and £1900 glasses on his nose wants you to buy.
But everyone keeps sucking it up.
As Dan would say, tell me it's not true.
Edited by Gandahar on Saturday 24th October 00:45
miskalachi said:
Really interested in this, where do they position the camera at the rear?
http://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-and-rs/869958-r...tonto1 said:
As a Porsche GT enthusiast, today was a pretty good day. Started early, with a nice clear morning and taking my 6RS out for it’s first drive in good while (work, holidays, work, young child, work etc), was taking it get some detailing work done and decided to take the longer and more exciting route (circa 50xmiles). After dropping it off I jumped on a train to go collect my new GT4 (told you it was a good day). Was chatting to my friend, who also has a GT4 on order and he asked ‘have you ever even seen a GT4 in the flesh?”, (having not yet had my PEC day) “no” said I, “….haven’t even driven a Cayman before”, but given that the first 911 I ever drove was my GT3RS, then I wasn’t too worried about this.
Arrived at the OPC, where they had a few nice piece of metal around (997.2RS, 991GT3, 911GTS, CaymanGTS), but couldn’t spot any GT4’s. Met with the salesman, who I had been hounding every day for the last fortnight for updates and the first thing he says “Do you want to see it” – “Hell yes” is my immediate reply. We walked through the show room and through the glass I catch a glimpse of a shiny black spoiler, the grin on my face is immediately incontrollable. At first sight I am smitten, I wasn’t sure originally about the black paint, but as soon as I see it in the flesh I’m sold, it will be a pain to keep looking nice but looks stunning, works great with the Ti coloured wheels and with the curves and wings on the car gives it a stealthy Imperial Tie Fighter look. We then start it up and if I wasn’t besotted before the spin tinkling exhaust bark on start up more than seals the deal.
So after some formalities and bit of a panic with dodgy debit card machine, she’s officially mine. Picking up the car in Aberdeen gave me great access to some fantastic roads for an elongated drive home. Being very mindful of the run in advice (keeping below 4K revs), new tyres, new brakes and the nigh on impossibility of replacing it if it gets binned, I take it pretty easy through the Aberdeenshire countryside and out towards the Cairngorm national park. One of the main reasons I picked this route was to drive over the old military road that takes you past The Lecht ski centre and down toward Tomintoul, this must be one of the most stunning pieces of road in the whole country. By this stage in the afternoon the sun is out and as the road rises sharply and through a series of sharp and hair pin turns, I get more feel for the cars handling and ride. I have tried the two different suspension settings (Sport and Normal) and over this varying and undulating terrain I am becoming more and more impressed with the ride quality and handling. In ‘Normal’ the car feels very natural and whilst you would never describe it as luxurious, it never feels uncomfortable and always compliant, whilst body roll is always kept in check, the most impressive thing I found was that at no point did the car or even individual wheels feel disconnected from the road surface, always glued and always communicative. In terms of communication and steering feel, I don’t think the car is quite up there with the 6RS, but in fairness that’s like comparing someones ability to run fast to Usain bolt, or tennis skills to Rodger Federer. There appears to be a very, very slight vagueness/hesitation to the steering just off centre, but that’s me really struggling to be critical and it was running brand new tyres, so we’ll see how it’s like with a few K on the clock. My only other observation with the handing is that, despite not pushing on, I definitely got the impression it would understeer way before oversteering, but I think this could be easily changed with some ARB monkeying and I wasn’t about to try and force the tail out too much on my first drive.
So from the driving Nirvana that was the Old Military road bathed in Autumnal sunshine, we reach the opposite end of the UK driving scale and hit an A9 splattered with 40-mile an hour average speed cameras. Thankfully this doesn’t last long and we are onto the A86 towards Fort William. Along this swooping road that snakes along the banks of Loch Laggan all radio signals etc are well lost and so I drop the window, hit the sports exhaust button and again I am very impressed with sound of the exhaust and while I think my ‘6RS makes a better ‘engine’ note with the mechanical singing of the Mezger and LW flywheel, the ‘4 does appear to have the sweeter exhaust note, a lovely throaty bark . This makes me long to open her up and see what she sounds like at the top end, but I am rigidly sticking to the 4k rev limit, this is tough as just before 4k I can hear the exhaust start to really sing and the temptation is high. Sticking to the low rev limit, it is very obvious the engine longs to rev and it picks up very quickly, making blipping the throttle very easy.
I become more and more impressed with the low down torque the engine has available, not to mention the cool ‘performance’ dash display showing where you are on the torque/power curve . Whilst not fully utilising the gearing due to my rev limit restrictions, the car happily pulls from very low down and whilst I don’t yet feel able to properly comment on the whole gearing question, this fat lump of torque is making me more confident that the car can deal with high gearing, without ruining it’s driveability. The gear change itself is definitely worthy of note, the lever being perfect positioned and requiring only a slight pop of the wrist to engage another cog. Gear changes become smoother as I become more acquainted with the clutch. I drove the car for many hours today, including through stop/start traffic and through consecutive bends but I never found the clutch overly heavy, I did find it quite long though requiring to be depressed almost all the way to the carpet to ensure an optimised gear change
Driving towards Fort William it started to rain and then as I got to Glen Coe the heavens had fully opened to the point the wipers were struggling to keep up. There was a lot of water run off and puddles in the road, but the car and especially the MSPC-2’s seemed to cope very well with it . After having some previous ‘moments’ with original cups driving through standing water I was cautious having never driven the Cup-2’s before, but they appeared to take it all in their stride, this combined with the balance of the car meant the only thing impeding my progress was the fading visibility and some very timid traffic. The rain stayed on all the way home, but after every bend my confidence in the car and the level of grip available grew and grew. I try to avoid driving the 6RS in the rain, but when I have been caught out, I’ve always found it very capable and once I get more dialled in with the required driving style for the GT4 I am very confident it will also go very well in the wet. The other thing more and more impressing me is the ‘Sport’ modes auto-blipping. I normally like to rev-match myself, and for me this is one of the (many) joys of a manual transmission, but this system appears to do it extremely well and down changes become almost sequential box quick, the blips on downshift becoming very addictive and forcing you to drive with the window cracked (even in the pishing rain) just so you can hear it. I will experiment more with doing this myself, but for the cars first ever outing the auto feature proved fair irresistible.
Will do some more objective comparisons between the ‘6RS and the ‘4, but my initial feeling is the ‘6RS is def’ more ‘special’ and trumps the ‘4 for feel, feedback and sense of occasion, but the ‘4 I believe will prove more exploitable and useable. In terms of outright pace I don’t think there would be much in it, if both on similar tyres and piloted by someone with the suitable skills to make the most of their respective attributes.
So after nearly 290miles, I made it home, tired but very happy with my first impressions of the GT4. Can’t wait to get the car properly run in and then really see what it can do and what it sounds like.
Arrived at the OPC, where they had a few nice piece of metal around (997.2RS, 991GT3, 911GTS, CaymanGTS), but couldn’t spot any GT4’s. Met with the salesman, who I had been hounding every day for the last fortnight for updates and the first thing he says “Do you want to see it” – “Hell yes” is my immediate reply. We walked through the show room and through the glass I catch a glimpse of a shiny black spoiler, the grin on my face is immediately incontrollable. At first sight I am smitten, I wasn’t sure originally about the black paint, but as soon as I see it in the flesh I’m sold, it will be a pain to keep looking nice but looks stunning, works great with the Ti coloured wheels and with the curves and wings on the car gives it a stealthy Imperial Tie Fighter look. We then start it up and if I wasn’t besotted before the spin tinkling exhaust bark on start up more than seals the deal.
So after some formalities and bit of a panic with dodgy debit card machine, she’s officially mine. Picking up the car in Aberdeen gave me great access to some fantastic roads for an elongated drive home. Being very mindful of the run in advice (keeping below 4K revs), new tyres, new brakes and the nigh on impossibility of replacing it if it gets binned, I take it pretty easy through the Aberdeenshire countryside and out towards the Cairngorm national park. One of the main reasons I picked this route was to drive over the old military road that takes you past The Lecht ski centre and down toward Tomintoul, this must be one of the most stunning pieces of road in the whole country. By this stage in the afternoon the sun is out and as the road rises sharply and through a series of sharp and hair pin turns, I get more feel for the cars handling and ride. I have tried the two different suspension settings (Sport and Normal) and over this varying and undulating terrain I am becoming more and more impressed with the ride quality and handling. In ‘Normal’ the car feels very natural and whilst you would never describe it as luxurious, it never feels uncomfortable and always compliant, whilst body roll is always kept in check, the most impressive thing I found was that at no point did the car or even individual wheels feel disconnected from the road surface, always glued and always communicative. In terms of communication and steering feel, I don’t think the car is quite up there with the 6RS, but in fairness that’s like comparing someones ability to run fast to Usain bolt, or tennis skills to Rodger Federer. There appears to be a very, very slight vagueness/hesitation to the steering just off centre, but that’s me really struggling to be critical and it was running brand new tyres, so we’ll see how it’s like with a few K on the clock. My only other observation with the handing is that, despite not pushing on, I definitely got the impression it would understeer way before oversteering, but I think this could be easily changed with some ARB monkeying and I wasn’t about to try and force the tail out too much on my first drive.
So from the driving Nirvana that was the Old Military road bathed in Autumnal sunshine, we reach the opposite end of the UK driving scale and hit an A9 splattered with 40-mile an hour average speed cameras. Thankfully this doesn’t last long and we are onto the A86 towards Fort William. Along this swooping road that snakes along the banks of Loch Laggan all radio signals etc are well lost and so I drop the window, hit the sports exhaust button and again I am very impressed with sound of the exhaust and while I think my ‘6RS makes a better ‘engine’ note with the mechanical singing of the Mezger and LW flywheel, the ‘4 does appear to have the sweeter exhaust note, a lovely throaty bark . This makes me long to open her up and see what she sounds like at the top end, but I am rigidly sticking to the 4k rev limit, this is tough as just before 4k I can hear the exhaust start to really sing and the temptation is high. Sticking to the low rev limit, it is very obvious the engine longs to rev and it picks up very quickly, making blipping the throttle very easy.
I become more and more impressed with the low down torque the engine has available, not to mention the cool ‘performance’ dash display showing where you are on the torque/power curve . Whilst not fully utilising the gearing due to my rev limit restrictions, the car happily pulls from very low down and whilst I don’t yet feel able to properly comment on the whole gearing question, this fat lump of torque is making me more confident that the car can deal with high gearing, without ruining it’s driveability. The gear change itself is definitely worthy of note, the lever being perfect positioned and requiring only a slight pop of the wrist to engage another cog. Gear changes become smoother as I become more acquainted with the clutch. I drove the car for many hours today, including through stop/start traffic and through consecutive bends but I never found the clutch overly heavy, I did find it quite long though requiring to be depressed almost all the way to the carpet to ensure an optimised gear change
Driving towards Fort William it started to rain and then as I got to Glen Coe the heavens had fully opened to the point the wipers were struggling to keep up. There was a lot of water run off and puddles in the road, but the car and especially the MSPC-2’s seemed to cope very well with it . After having some previous ‘moments’ with original cups driving through standing water I was cautious having never driven the Cup-2’s before, but they appeared to take it all in their stride, this combined with the balance of the car meant the only thing impeding my progress was the fading visibility and some very timid traffic. The rain stayed on all the way home, but after every bend my confidence in the car and the level of grip available grew and grew. I try to avoid driving the 6RS in the rain, but when I have been caught out, I’ve always found it very capable and once I get more dialled in with the required driving style for the GT4 I am very confident it will also go very well in the wet. The other thing more and more impressing me is the ‘Sport’ modes auto-blipping. I normally like to rev-match myself, and for me this is one of the (many) joys of a manual transmission, but this system appears to do it extremely well and down changes become almost sequential box quick, the blips on downshift becoming very addictive and forcing you to drive with the window cracked (even in the pishing rain) just so you can hear it. I will experiment more with doing this myself, but for the cars first ever outing the auto feature proved fair irresistible.
Will do some more objective comparisons between the ‘6RS and the ‘4, but my initial feeling is the ‘6RS is def’ more ‘special’ and trumps the ‘4 for feel, feedback and sense of occasion, but the ‘4 I believe will prove more exploitable and useable. In terms of outright pace I don’t think there would be much in it, if both on similar tyres and piloted by someone with the suitable skills to make the most of their respective attributes.
So after nearly 290miles, I made it home, tired but very happy with my first impressions of the GT4. Can’t wait to get the car properly run in and then really see what it can do and what it sounds like.
That certainly does sounds like a good day out, thanks for sharing. Some great roads as you say to start with, I've done them a few times myself.
Any issues with noisy brakes out of interest, I know another owner has had quite an issue with that ??
Sandy59 said:
That certainly does sounds like a good day out, thanks for sharing. Some great roads as you say to start with, I've done them a few times myself.
Any issues with noisy brakes out of interest, I know another owner has had quite an issue with that ??
Shmee said:
I knew I'd get told off on PH for not speccing the LWBs, however in my defence the car wouldn't be here now if I had and I'm very happy with the Sports ones for my intended usage!
Congrats. Richard mentioned he was frantic trying to coordinate delivery of a GT4 for somebody flying back specially. He's a good guy though it is rare to see him in a suit!!I was in the red Carrera GT at their recent cars and coffee, hope to pick up my RS in a few weeks (it does have the LWBs
)tonto1 said:
Sandy59 said:
That certainly does sounds like a good day out, thanks for sharing. Some great roads as you say to start with, I've done them a few times myself.
Any issues with noisy brakes out of interest, I know another owner has had quite an issue with that ??
An Aberdeen car as well so if you do have issues later they'll be well aware of it.
johnwilliams77 said:
This is interesting.
The salesman in shmees video says there is no run in period. Yet the chap above (nice write up) hS said there is...
One of my concerns plus told him only a 2 year warranty ! I thought 3 years was standard now!The salesman in shmees video says there is no run in period. Yet the chap above (nice write up) hS said there is...
The video imo did go on a bit,would have been more interesting to watch if shorter!
itsybitsy said:
One of my concerns plus told him only a 2 year warranty ! I thought 3 years was standard now!
My dealer told me 3yrs!http://www.porsche.com/uk/accessoriesandservice/po...
The warranty periods start the day the vehicle is delivered to the customer. They include:
Three-year warranty on all new vehicles
Three-year warranty on genuine Porsche spare and replacement parts and accessories which are used or sold outside of warranty work. For Porsche parts which are used during warranty work, the warranty period ends at the same time as that of the vehicle that has become defective
Three-year paint warranty
12-year anti-corrosion warranty
Gandahar said:
Good point.
Seats are there to keep you comfortable whilst giving enough grip to match how you drive. Anything else is just marketing and resale value. Choose what suits you, not the wallet or next driver or some spod on a forum says.
Those 918 style seats everyone wks over? It's just another "I need those let me open my wallet Mr Porsche" I need my 918 pretend seats in my less than 400bhp car too. Otherwise people will laugh at me and my testicles will implode like that episode of Das Boot." And the resale value....
Mr Porsche is the modern day Fagin when it comes to playing a tune and the dogs sitting up, beging and paying more. You'd be better off with after market stuff than all this branded stuff a man in Germany with slicked back blonde hair and £1900 glasses on his nose wants you to buy.
But everyone keeps sucking it up.
As Dan would say, tell me it's not true.
Nothing could be further from the truth, the 918 style seats completely transform the car. Apart from looking much better CF backs, and offering much more support, the fixed buckets offer zero height adjustment. This is a big problem in cars like the RS and GT4 imv, on track I like to sit as low as possible, for road use its now possible to get the perfect driving position in the RS, do not confuse the 918 style seats in the RS and GT4 to be the same as the ones in the 918, they are not, the 918 has very little height adjustment.Seats are there to keep you comfortable whilst giving enough grip to match how you drive. Anything else is just marketing and resale value. Choose what suits you, not the wallet or next driver or some spod on a forum says.
Those 918 style seats everyone w
ks over? It's just another "I need those let me open my wallet Mr Porsche" I need my 918 pretend seats in my less than 400bhp car too. Otherwise people will laugh at me and my testicles will implode like that episode of Das Boot." And the resale value....Mr Porsche is the modern day Fagin when it comes to playing a tune and the dogs sitting up, beging and paying more. You'd be better off with after market stuff than all this branded stuff a man in Germany with slicked back blonde hair and £1900 glasses on his nose wants you to buy.
But everyone keeps sucking it up.
As Dan would say, tell me it's not true.
Edited by Gandahar on Saturday 24th October 00:45
Its also zero problem in using the space behind the seats, just slide it forward.....imv a 991RS and GT4 that does not have the 918 style buckets is just compromised.
tonto1 said:
Will do some more objective comparisons between the ‘6RS and the ‘4, but my initial feeling is the ‘6RS is def’ more ‘special’ and trumps the ‘4 for feel, feedback and sense of occasion, but the ‘4 I believe will prove more exploitable and useable. In terms of outright pace I don’t think there would be much in it, if both on similar tyres and piloted by someone with the suitable skills to make the most of their respective attributes.
Thanks for the first impressions review. Really looking forward to your comparisons with the 6RS..
I chose these as after having these in my spyder they suit me perfectly ( me being short and slight of frame)
They don't go low as a standard sport seat which I use to have in my Cayman on the lowest setting,but the overall driving position with the folding buckets for me is great so height adjustment is not required!
Also the 'fake 918 seats' are more suited for taller bigger framed persons and do not feel as snug as PO3 seats,plus I felt the quality(perceived)didn't feel as good as folding buckets although could be proven wrong as I only had brief time with them and have not lived on day to day basis!
The whole seat argument as been done to death on the pcgb forum 987 Spyder post but imo choose what seats suit you best and to hell with what others say!
I personally would not chose 918 style seats and disagree that they 'completely transform the car'
APOLO1 said:
Nothing could be further from the truth, the 918 style seats completely transform the car. Apart from looking much better CF backs, and offering much more support, the fixed buckets offer zero height adjustment. This is a big problem in cars like the RS and GT4 imv, on track I like to sit as low as possible, for road use its now possible to get the perfect driving position in the RS, do not confuse the 918 style seats in the RS and GT4 to be the same as the ones in the 918, they are not, the 918 has very little height adjustment.
Its also zero problem in using the space behind the seats, just slide it forward.....imv a 991RS and GT4 that does not have the 918 style buckets is just compromised.
So would you say the PO3 folding buckets are compromised in the GT4?Its also zero problem in using the space behind the seats, just slide it forward.....imv a 991RS and GT4 that does not have the 918 style buckets is just compromised.
I chose these as after having these in my spyder they suit me perfectly ( me being short and slight of frame)
They don't go low as a standard sport seat which I use to have in my Cayman on the lowest setting,but the overall driving position with the folding buckets for me is great so height adjustment is not required!
Also the 'fake 918 seats' are more suited for taller bigger framed persons and do not feel as snug as PO3 seats,plus I felt the quality(perceived)didn't feel as good as folding buckets although could be proven wrong as I only had brief time with them and have not lived on day to day basis!
The whole seat argument as been done to death on the pcgb forum 987 Spyder post but imo choose what seats suit you best and to hell with what others say!
I personally would not chose 918 style seats and disagree that they 'completely transform the car'
Edited by itsybitsy on Saturday 24th October 11:04
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