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LaurasOtherHalf said:
This is what we speculated in the first few days of the thread. Before it disappeared up its own arse somewhat.
Apologies. I've ( painfully ) re read the thread now. I'd expect some kind of junior one make series using the Cayman platform within the next few years.
mollytherocker said:
Maybe this is not the the right thread to discuss this, but I cant let this go unchallenged.
There is an assumption that mid engined is the best, but its just not that simple. The weight of the engine has to go somewhere and its how that weight is managed that matters.
Each configuration brings its own advantages, disadvantages and challenges.
There is still a place for the 911.
Can't blame you Old Boy. Sometimes a Chap can write something so utterly silly that you have no choice! There is an assumption that mid engined is the best, but its just not that simple. The weight of the engine has to go somewhere and its how that weight is managed that matters.
Each configuration brings its own advantages, disadvantages and challenges.
There is still a place for the 911.
hence why Porsche on every model the last 50 years have tried to bring the engine forward lol.
but when they have a new clean sheet to make a hyper car and the new 913 they make it mid engine.
Yes it has a few advantages but those are outweighed by the disadvantages.
The only way to make the platform faster is to move the engine, every one went la la over that 993 vid of that guy for 14 years knocking time off his lap, yes he bought the engine forward, the 991 platform the engine yet again was brought forward.
The GT4 is said to be too fast with 400 BHp so they are de tuning the 991 map for the GT4 to slow it down a bit.
even 2WD buggy racing the engine platform is now mid placed. it's a superior location for a faster lap time over all.
yes it works on the 911 as a GT car and you can get 2 kids in the back :-) but Porsche sports car future looks to be mid engine.
It's a big step for Porsche to give a Cayman more BHp and a bigger engine than the base 991
but when they have a new clean sheet to make a hyper car and the new 913 they make it mid engine.
Yes it has a few advantages but those are outweighed by the disadvantages.
The only way to make the platform faster is to move the engine, every one went la la over that 993 vid of that guy for 14 years knocking time off his lap, yes he bought the engine forward, the 991 platform the engine yet again was brought forward.
The GT4 is said to be too fast with 400 BHp so they are de tuning the 991 map for the GT4 to slow it down a bit.
even 2WD buggy racing the engine platform is now mid placed. it's a superior location for a faster lap time over all.
yes it works on the 911 as a GT car and you can get 2 kids in the back :-) but Porsche sports car future looks to be mid engine.
It's a big step for Porsche to give a Cayman more BHp and a bigger engine than the base 991
Edited by mrdemon on Monday 22 December 09:01
mrdemon said:
hence why Porsche on every model the last 50 years have tried to bring the engine forward lol.
but when they have a new clean sheet to make a hyper car and the new 913 they make it mid engine.
Yes it has a few advantages but those are outweighed by the disadvantages.
The only way to make the platform faster is to move the engine, every one went la la over that 993 vid of that guy for 14 years knocking time off his lap, yes he bought the engine forward, the 991 platform the engine yet again was brought forward.
The GT4 is said to be too fast with 400 BHp so they are de tuning the 991 map for the GT4 to slow it down a bit.
even 2WD buggy racing the engine platform is now mid placed. it's a superior location for a faster lap time over all.
yes it works on the 911 as a GT car and you can get 2 kids in the back :-) but Porsche sports car future looks to be mid engine.
It's a big step for Porsche to give a Cayman more BHp and a bigger engine than the base 991
Interesting. Then perhaps you might explain why the Porsche 911 is the most successful GT racing car ever built?but when they have a new clean sheet to make a hyper car and the new 913 they make it mid engine.
Yes it has a few advantages but those are outweighed by the disadvantages.
The only way to make the platform faster is to move the engine, every one went la la over that 993 vid of that guy for 14 years knocking time off his lap, yes he bought the engine forward, the 991 platform the engine yet again was brought forward.
The GT4 is said to be too fast with 400 BHp so they are de tuning the 991 map for the GT4 to slow it down a bit.
even 2WD buggy racing the engine platform is now mid placed. it's a superior location for a faster lap time over all.
yes it works on the 911 as a GT car and you can get 2 kids in the back :-) but Porsche sports car future looks to be mid engine.
It's a big step for Porsche to give a Cayman more BHp and a bigger engine than the base 991
Edited by mrdemon on Monday 22 December 09:01
Are you suggesting that if the engine was in the middle, it would have done even better?
Steve Rance said:
mrdemon said:
hence why Porsche on every model the last 50 years have tried to bring the engine forward lol.
but when they have a new clean sheet to make a hyper car and the new 913 they make it mid engine.
Yes it has a few advantages but those are outweighed by the disadvantages.
The only way to make the platform faster is to move the engine, every one went la la over that 993 vid of that guy for 14 years knocking time off his lap, yes he bought the engine forward, the 991 platform the engine yet again was brought forward.
The GT4 is said to be too fast with 400 BHp so they are de tuning the 991 map for the GT4 to slow it down a bit.
even 2WD buggy racing the engine platform is now mid placed. it's a superior location for a faster lap time over all.
yes it works on the 911 as a GT car and you can get 2 kids in the back :-) but Porsche sports car future looks to be mid engine.
It's a big step for Porsche to give a Cayman more BHp and a bigger engine than the base 991
Interesting. Then perhaps you might explain why the Porsche 911 is the most successful GT racing car ever built?but when they have a new clean sheet to make a hyper car and the new 913 they make it mid engine.
Yes it has a few advantages but those are outweighed by the disadvantages.
The only way to make the platform faster is to move the engine, every one went la la over that 993 vid of that guy for 14 years knocking time off his lap, yes he bought the engine forward, the 991 platform the engine yet again was brought forward.
The GT4 is said to be too fast with 400 BHp so they are de tuning the 991 map for the GT4 to slow it down a bit.
even 2WD buggy racing the engine platform is now mid placed. it's a superior location for a faster lap time over all.
yes it works on the 911 as a GT car and you can get 2 kids in the back :-) but Porsche sports car future looks to be mid engine.
It's a big step for Porsche to give a Cayman more BHp and a bigger engine than the base 991
Edited by mrdemon on Monday 22 December 09:01
Are you suggesting that if the engine was in the middle, it would have done even better?
24H Le Mans 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005
24H Spa 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005
24H Daytona 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005
24H Nurburgring 2000
12H Sebring 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005
FIA GT Champs 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005
...... closely followed in 2nd place by you've guessed it the 997.
more by default ie, finishing the race not out right laptimes !! but don't let that get in the way of where the engine should be !
winning a race does not mean the engine is correct as can be seen with what Porsche are trying to do with the location of it !
I see you quote the ring 24 hour and Spa 24 hour but in 2014 Audi won both of those, it's not the year 2000 now you know :-)
who gives a s
t what a car won in the year 2000, the GT4 will prob lap quicker than any past GT3 to date now.
look a Boxster/Cayman GTS can lap the same as a track set up 996 GT3 in the EVO fast lap test with 50bhp down !
winning a race does not mean the engine is correct as can be seen with what Porsche are trying to do with the location of it !
I see you quote the ring 24 hour and Spa 24 hour but in 2014 Audi won both of those, it's not the year 2000 now you know :-)
who gives a s
t what a car won in the year 2000, the GT4 will prob lap quicker than any past GT3 to date now. look a Boxster/Cayman GTS can lap the same as a track set up 996 GT3 in the EVO fast lap test with 50bhp down !
Edited by mrdemon on Monday 22 December 12:29
mrdemon said:
more by default ie, finishing the race not out right laptimes !! but don't let that get in the way of where the engine should be !
winning a race does not mean the engine is correct as can be seen with what Porsche are trying to do with the location of it !
I see you quote the ring 24 hour and Spa 24 hour but in 2014 Audi won both of those, it's not the year 2000 now you know :-)
who gives a st what a car won in the year 2000, the GT4 will prob lap quicker than any past GT3 to date now.
look a Boxster/Cayman GTS can lap the same as a track set up 996 GT3 in the EVO fast lap test with 50bhp down !
It would be all wasted on you though hey Stiggy winning a race does not mean the engine is correct as can be seen with what Porsche are trying to do with the location of it !
I see you quote the ring 24 hour and Spa 24 hour but in 2014 Audi won both of those, it's not the year 2000 now you know :-)
who gives a s
t what a car won in the year 2000, the GT4 will prob lap quicker than any past GT3 to date now. look a Boxster/Cayman GTS can lap the same as a track set up 996 GT3 in the EVO fast lap test with 50bhp down !
Edited by mrdemon on Monday 22 December 12:29
Vacationboy said:
Mrdemon is not the fastest chap around a track is he 
Not sure who here is a full time Pro racing driver though ? but many talk the talk and think they are it seems because they win at track days !!
Vacationboy said:
Mrdemon is not the fastest chap around a track is he 
FYI, love him or loathe him in the internet forum world, in the real world Mr D is a very good trackday driver but I'm sure he'll agree that there is always someone faster on a track day. And who cares anyway!
keep it lit said:
you must be a pro driver or top line technician given all your knowledge ??
I was doing geo's on cars at the age of 14 inc full corner weights and diff rebuilds and then racing said cars at national level :-)1/10th may be :-p but it stands you well on which part does what and what one can adjust to fit how one wants to drive it.
Going back to the Cayman Geo thread, that car has such little adjustment, all I said was it was pointless to spend £300 to get it back to stock.
It's got fixed front and rear LCA, the Camber at the rear is maxxed out on the R, the caster in not adjustable, neither are the front or rear ARB's and the springs are all fixed and have no height adjustemts to weight it.
you can talk all you like about how you want the car to handle pre geo but with NO adjustments to make bar very limited camber and toe, it's not going to be hard to set a Cayman up is it ? SO my advice was while it's in for a stock geo check you may as well add the extra 1/2 a degree which is available to the front camber setting. it's still no where near what one needs on track and will have no dire side effects like people were panicing on about on that thread.
mrdemon said:
keep it lit said:
you must be a pro driver or top line technician given all your knowledge ??
I was doing geo's on cars at the age of 14 inc full corner weights and diff rebuilds and then racing said cars at national level :-)1/10th may be :-p but it stands you well on which part does what and what one can adjust to fit how one wants to drive it.
Going back to the Cayman Geo thread, that car has such little adjustment, all I said was it was pointless to spend £300 to get it back to stock.
It's got fixed front and rear LCA, the Camber at the rear is maxxed out on the R, the caster in not adjustable, neither are the front or rear ARB's and the springs are all fixed and have no height adjustemts to weight it.
you can talk all you like about how you want the car to handle pre geo but with NO adjustments to make bar very limited camber and toe, it's not going to be hard to set a Cayman up is it ? SO my advice was while it's in for a stock geo check you may as well add the extra 1/2 a degree which is available to the front camber setting. it's still no where near what one needs on track and will have no dire side effects like people were panicing on about on that thread.
mrdemon said:
Thought it would be odd for me to be wrong :-p, normality resumed :-)
On the contrary, re-read my post, it's me telling Chris you were right and he was wrong
Not sure what's funny about that ????mrdemon said:
and slippy must be well pissed off (bmw drivers) :-p
I'd guess no more pissed off than you buying BMW Mini mrdemon said:
Does he even own a Porker !
In the best traditions of the PH custard test :http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
In relation to both you and the car, I think "owned" is the correct word ......
But whilst we're on the subject of Porsche ownership, let's compare our back catalogue shall we ;-)
PH Porsche forum troll :
Cayman S ?
Cayman R
Boxster Spyder.
Slippy (the alcholic, drug addled "Stalker" with mental issues)
:964 RS Midnight blue
964 RS Guards red
993 RS Guards red
Mk1 996 GT3 Zanzibar
964 RS Rubystone
996 GT2 Midnight blue
Gen 1997 GT3 Meteor grey
Mk1 996 GT3 Zanzibar (I bought it back ! !)
996 GT2 Basalt black (Ohlins, remap, Ruf exhaust)
996 GT3 RS Carrara white with Red
Mk1 996 GT3 Speed yellow
Gen 1 997 GT3 Slate grey
964 RS Ferrari yellow
Mk1 996 GT3 Black with Ohlins, Clubsport cage, Manthey K400
Mk1 996 GT3 Clubsport Guards red
To save you counting, that’s four 964 RS’s four Mk1 996 GT3’s, two 996 GT2's and two 997 GT3's, 993 RS and a 996 GT3 RS.
Ever heard the phrase "bringing a knife to a gunfight" ?
Like I said, owned. End of.
Slippydiff said:
Slippy (the alcholic, drug addled "Stalker" with mental issues) :
964 RS Midnight blue
964 RS Guards red
993 RS Guards red
Mk1 996 GT3 Zanzibar
964 RS Rubystone
996 GT2 Midnight blue
Gen 1997 GT3 Meteor grey
Mk1 996 GT3 Zanzibar (I bought it back ! !)
996 GT2 Basalt black (Ohlins, remap, Ruf exhaust)
996 GT3 RS Carrara white with Red
Mk1 996 GT3 Speed yellow
Gen 1 997 GT3 Slate grey
964 RS Ferrari yellow
Mk1 996 GT3 Black with Ohlins, Clubsport cage, Manthey K400
Mk1 996 GT3 Clubsport Guards red
To save you counting, that’s four 964 RS’s four Mk1 996 GT3’s, two 996 GT2's and two 997 GT3's, 993 RS and a 996 GT3 RS.
Bloody hell!!! :964 RS Midnight blue
964 RS Guards red
993 RS Guards red
Mk1 996 GT3 Zanzibar
964 RS Rubystone
996 GT2 Midnight blue
Gen 1997 GT3 Meteor grey
Mk1 996 GT3 Zanzibar (I bought it back ! !)
996 GT2 Basalt black (Ohlins, remap, Ruf exhaust)
996 GT3 RS Carrara white with Red
Mk1 996 GT3 Speed yellow
Gen 1 997 GT3 Slate grey
964 RS Ferrari yellow
Mk1 996 GT3 Black with Ohlins, Clubsport cage, Manthey K400
Mk1 996 GT3 Clubsport Guards red
To save you counting, that’s four 964 RS’s four Mk1 996 GT3’s, two 996 GT2's and two 997 GT3's, 993 RS and a 996 GT3 RS.
Slippy, you seem to have a serious GT/RS addiction! Perhaps you do have some kind of mental issue?
Which is/was your favourite and why?
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