Prospective 981 GT4 Owners Discussion Forum.

[V8KSN]

mrdemon said:

fioran0 said:

What's your preferred corner weight strategy?

Don't marry a fat bird.

So, you don't want to answer the question then?

[mrdemon]

V8KSN said:

So, you don't want to answer the question then?

correct, lets keep this on topic.
Open a thread about corner weighting if you wish other wise this topic will ruin another 4 pages.

Edited by mrdemon on Tuesday 23 December 12:03

[itsybitsy]

Pjj said:

This aint cheap....£40k but it will require a fair amount of work and I want a known name behind it

As I said some advanced man maths though slightly aided by buying the R a year back at a bit less than the current sticker prices

Apart from brakes and suspension I would have thought the engine mod ie 3.8 could be done for £10. -15k! You could either switch the block(I am sure crankcases,cranks and rods are same part nos)pistons and head (even x51 head)plus 3.8 ecu and custom exhaust/manifold or is a total engine swap possible

[V8KSN]

mrdemon said:

V8KSN said:

So, you don't want to answer the question then?

correct, lets keep this on topic.
Open a thread about corner weighting if you wish other wise this topic will ruin another 4 pages.

You didn't seem bothered about derailing the thread when you said…

mrdemon said:

I was doing geo's on cars at the age of 14 inc full corner weights and diff rebuilds and then racing said cars at national level :-)

1/10th may be :-p but it stands you well on which part does what and what one can adjust to fit how one wants to drive it.

Going back to the Cayman Geo thread, that car has such little adjustment, all I said was it was pointless to spend £300 to get it back to stock.
It's got fixed front and rear LCA, the Camber at the rear is maxxed out on the R, the caster in not adjustable, neither are the front or rear ARB's and the springs are all fixed and have no height adjustemts to weight it.

you can talk all you like about how you want the car to handle pre geo but with NO adjustments to make bar very limited camber and toe, it's not going to be hard to set a Cayman up is it ? SO my advice was while it's in for a stock geo check you may as well add the extra 1/2 a degree which is available to the front camber setting. it's still no where near what one needs on track and will have no dire side effects like people were panicing on about on that thread.

Have you chosen not to answer the question because you don't know the answer to the question?

[keep it lit]

V8KSN said:

mrdemon said:

fioran0 said:

What's your preferred corner weight strategy?

Don't marry a fat bird.

So, you don't want to answer the question then?

please sir do try and answer the question posted by the kind gentleman, as surely it's one great mind communicating to another

[dom9]

keep it lit said:

V8KSN said:

mrdemon said:

fioran0 said:

What's your preferred corner weight strategy?

Don't marry a fat bird.

So, you don't want to answer the question then?

please sir do try and answer the question posted by the kind gentleman, as surely it's one great mind communicating to another

Come on guys, to be fair, Mr D has said that you're free to start another thread about this.

None of us "Prospective 981 GT4 Owners" are getting anything useful out of this, which is a shame.

Plus, if you're 'testing him' - this is stuff is very Googlable so I am sure you'll never be happy with his answer.

Dom9 (former Race Engineer who is happy to let Mr D have his say)

[Slippydiff]

V8KSN said:

Have you chosen not to answer the question because you don't know the answer to the question?

I suspect you've hit the nail hit firmly on the head. But the irony of Mr D suggesting that derailing this thread isn't in any way acceptable.......

I've always maintained that just as JP said, Demon could've diffused the situation HE created between the GT3 mafia on here and himself, by having the mettle to face up to his fiercest critics in person. I've no doubt he may have had the p*ss ripped mercilessly for a bit, but most of it would have been in jest/blokey banter.

That he decided to shy away from doing so, meant his critics lost any respect they may have had for him, but also gave further "ammunition" to be used against him.

Twelve months ago (or possibly even longer) I suggested publicly on here that I meet up with him face to face to "bury the hatchet", alas he chose not to respond.

Interestingly, I've recently met up with another contributor off this forum who I'd previously had several bouts of verbal fisticuffs with. We met up, had coffee and talked cars solidly for a couple of hours ! !

Mr Demon can fix this, but to date he's chosen not too, instead he continues to wage his "war" from the comfort of his keyboard. Hence why many on here consider him nothing more than an antagonistic troll.

As I said, the "situation" is fixable, but I suspect it will require Mr Demon to make the first move.

[Vacationboy]

Well, the last time MrDemon put his money where his mouth was, it ended up a bit like this and harassing another spyder owner on track as he was believed to be mr. Demon.




So you can somewhat understand that he has decided not to do RL-meetings anymore

[keep it lit]

mrdemon said:

I was doing geo's on cars at the age of 14 inc full corner weights and diff rebuilds and then racing said cars at national level :-)

1/10th may be :-p but it stands you well on which part does what and what one can adjust to fit how one wants to drive it.

excuse me but are you referring to radio control cars ?

[Burwood]

It does look bloody fantastic

[itsybitsy]

If it is as said 3.8 ,gt3 steering etc ltd numbers I expect base to be £70K+ upto £90k fully loaded ie pccb with the average spec touching £80k!!

[Carl_Docklands]

V8KSN said:

mrdemon said:

V8KSN said:

So, you don't want to answer the question then?

correct, lets keep this on topic.
Open a thread about corner weighting if you wish other wise this topic will ruin another 4 pages.

You didn't seem bothered about derailing the thread when you said…

mrdemon said:

I was doing geo's on cars at the age of 14 inc full corner weights and diff rebuilds and then racing said cars at national level :-)

1/10th may be :-p but it stands you well on which part does what and what one can adjust to fit how one wants to drive it.

Going back to the Cayman Geo thread, that car has such little adjustment, all I said was it was pointless to spend £300 to get it back to stock.
It's got fixed front and rear LCA, the Camber at the rear is maxxed out on the R, the caster in not adjustable, neither are the front or rear ARB's and the springs are all fixed and have no height adjustemts to weight it.

you can talk all you like about how you want the car to handle pre geo but with NO adjustments to make bar very limited camber and toe, it's not going to be hard to set a Cayman up is it ? SO my advice was while it's in for a stock geo check you may as well add the extra 1/2 a degree which is available to the front camber setting. it's still no where near what one needs on track and will have no dire side effects like people were panicing on about on that thread.

Have you chosen not to answer the question because you don't know the answer to the question?

this is not a mrdemon general q&a, give it a rest or PM him.

getting hacked off checking this thread and reading a load of dribble.

[Mermaid]

itsybitsy said:

If it is as said 3.8 ,gt3 steering etc ltd numbers I expect base to be £70K+ upto £90k fully loaded ie pccb with the average spec touching £80k!!

In this market, considered a bargain - premium on the car from the get-go.

[J-P]

itsybitsy said:

If it is as said 3.8 ,gt3 steering etc ltd numbers I expect base to be £70K+ upto £90k fully loaded ie pccb with the average spec touching £80k!!

I'd be surprised if it gets to £90k. I'd expect to be able to get a moderately spec'd car for £75k-ish and a full-on spec for £80-85k-ish. It can't be too far removed from the base cayman in terms of pricing nor too close to a base GT3. Porsche GT cars are normally pretty sensationally good value compared to the rest of the range. So base price at £65-70k seems likely.

[mrdemon]

My dealer said £65k + options

I am hoping the buckets come standard plus a SS, PSE and a LSD.
I don't want PCCB if the disks are the 380mm ones with 6 pots.
Don't want CS if it's just a cage/harness.

So I'll add xenons, full leather, Climate, PCM, Bluetooth, i'll colour code the lower part of the wing mirror if possible and have white dials, add any sports mode options and finish off the car in RS orange :-), or Yellow of no good launch colours.

I am hoping for £75k speced up.

[Mermaid]

mrdemon said:

My dealer said £65k + options

I am hoping the buckets come standard plus a SS, PSE and a LSD.
I don't want PCCB if the disks are the 380mm ones with 6 pots.
Don't want CS if it's just a cage/harness.

So I'll add xenons, full leather, Climate, PCM, Bluetooth, i'll colour code the lower part of the wing mirror if possible and have white dials, add any sports mode options and finish off the car in RS orange :-), or Yellow of no good launch colours.

I am hoping for £75k speced up.

Some Cayman R's were specced up to £65K AFAIK, so not a huge jump

[isaldiri]

Mermaid said:

premium on the car from the get-go.

Which is what a lot of people seem to be mostly concerned about given the focus on limited numbers...

[cowboyengineer]

my opc said 65k plus options. After all the gt3 was only 10k more then the gts 991. So it seems reasonable

Not decided on the colour. If no launch colours I might go pts but if not I'm liking gt silver or maybe yellow.

Unsure whether I'll add ceramics.

Spec will be similar to Mr d above.

[seawise]

mrdemon said:

My dealer said £65k + options

I am hoping the buckets come standard plus a SS, PSE and a LSD.
I don't want PCCB if the disks are the 380mm ones with 6 pots.
Don't want CS if it's just a cage/harness.

So I'll add xenons, full leather, Climate, PCM, Bluetooth, i'll colour code the lower part of the wing mirror if possible and have white dials, add any sports mode options and finish off the car in RS orange :-), or Yellow of no good launch colours.

I am hoping for £75k speced up.

what was that greeny/yellow launch colour of the CR - peridot or something ? that's what I'd like. with club sport pack (harnesses, buckets and cage), ceramics and that's about it thanks. assume LSD will be standard, it bloody well should on a GT car.

[dom9]

I'm not sure I want the cage/ harnesses but buckets for sure and PCCBs for me, please!

I'm thinking 'Cobalt' as I fancy a royal blue type colour...

I'm not sure the more lairy colours (like viper) suit the Cayman shape so well.