Prospective 981 GT4 Owners Discussion Forum.
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Fokker said:
I had no ideas that the CS pack was so heavy and also the lights?!
What are peoples thoughts on the smaller fuel tank? Are most speccing the 64l ? I would imagine that a 54l is pretty poor if you're getting 23/25 MPG.
Bear in mind the rollcage is made from high tensile tubular steel which is weight high up on the car.The guy i refer to on Rennlist cited one of the reasons his GT4 was slower around the Ring in comparison to the Sportauto one was the added weight.Maybe he was making excuses rather than admit the other guy was the better driver !.What are peoples thoughts on the smaller fuel tank? Are most speccing the 64l ? I would imagine that a 54l is pretty poor if you're getting 23/25 MPG.
Which ever way you cut it 51kg weight saving on a circa 1400kg car is significant esp when 18kg is unsprung and 27kg is above the rollcentre of the car.A Pccb non clubsport GT4 will always be quicker than a steel clubsport one.
Speccing the 64l tank for free in lieu of standard 55l tank is a no brainer as both empty tanks weigh identical,just put the same amount of fuel in both.
I hope i have started a fresh heated debate on the above points i've raised.;)
GaryF said:
I'd had a look at a Halifax car finance quote. If you have a current account you can get a quote online there and then.
They were offering me 3.1% - 3.5% APR depending on term/value. Which was rather good and no credit check required (because they know you).
Thats very good, I should have suggested in my other post that borrowing via an unsecured loan from the bank is a great idea as my bank HSBC are offering up to 25k at 3.7 APR if you're a premier customer and 15k if you're not.They were offering me 3.1% - 3.5% APR depending on term/value. Which was rather good and no credit check required (because they know you).
25k won't buy you the car but it'll save you fair few quid if deducted for the OPC finance.
That would be a route I would take…
Gary, how much can you borrow with that rate from Halifax? Unsecured is normally about 25k max?
Taffy66 said:
Bear in mind the rollcage is made from high tensile tubular steel which is weight high up on the car.The guy i refer to on Rennlist cited one of the reasons his GT4 was slower around the Ring in comparison to the Sportauto one was the added weight.Maybe he was making excuses rather than admit the other guy was the better driver !.
Which ever way you cut it 51kg weight saving on a circa 1400kg car is significant esp when 18kg is unsprung and 27kg is above the rollcentre of the car.A Pccb non clubsport GT4 will always be quicker than a steel clubsport one.
Speccing the 64l tank for free in lieu of standard 55l tank is a no brainer as both empty tanks weigh identical,just put the same amount of fuel in both.
I hope i have started a fresh heated debate on the above points i've raised.;)
Makes sense. Which ever way you cut it 51kg weight saving on a circa 1400kg car is significant esp when 18kg is unsprung and 27kg is above the rollcentre of the car.A Pccb non clubsport GT4 will always be quicker than a steel clubsport one.
Speccing the 64l tank for free in lieu of standard 55l tank is a no brainer as both empty tanks weigh identical,just put the same amount of fuel in both.
I hope i have started a fresh heated debate on the above points i've raised.;)
The cage bars on a 997 become considerably stronger and heavier when compared to the 996...I can imagine the GT4 is of a similar sturdy build.
So the trick to maximise resale and laptime is to buy a PCCB clubsport and then remove the cage until resale time
JiggyJaggy said:
Thanks for the advice. How much deposit are you guys placing and is this on a PCP with a balloon payment? Just trying to gauge how long I would keep the car etc really.
If you're looking to borrow then I would go personal loan up to 25000 or as much as you can at say 3 - 3.7% as previously discusses.The max you can put down on a PCP is 50% so on a 72000 car for example that would be £36000 deposit over 24 months if you can add say another 11000 to the loan you have so 25000 + 11000 = £36000 deposit?
That would be £180 per month over 24 months and £4320 in interest over the loan term plus your payments to the bank for the loan.
There is no cheap way to borrow but by going the unsecured personal loan route you can lessen the interest paid.
I can't think of a better way to do it unless you have a non limited e.g. 'trading as' business in which case you can put the cost of the payments against tax as you are technically hiring the car until you pay for it at the end of the term.
v8ksn said:
skijumper said:
Interesting comparison between the 996.2 GT3 and the GT4. Similar power and weight, looking back at Autocar's road test of the GT3, it has better acceleration, especially higher up, beyond 80 mph. Back in 2003 the GT3 was listed at 72,750 before options, so the GT4 is great value 12 years on. I can't see why Porsche would have detuned the engine from the unit in the 991 S, so the GT4 has probably got close to 400 hp. The GT4 has been built to a price. The Mezger engine is a lot more expensive to produce, and fitting the same gearbox as an S to the GT4 has saved money. Whatever the lap times say, the GT3 will be the much better machine to drive.
I don't think they detuned the engine as such. As I understand it, the reason the GT4 has a lower power output is due to restrictive airflow into the engine....... I am probably wrong though
For more power see http://www.planet-9.com/981-cayman-gt4-chat/114239...
... this uses Jens Ehresmann's ECU tune
Edited by gtsralph on Tuesday 1st December 16:33
Fokker said:
Elvorfin said:
Where was this second run "announced"? as Tewksbury don't seem to know about it. If you are correct, and I very much hope that you are, then they will be getting additional cars. As I'm next on the list I'llbe happy if they only get one additional car!
Did I say happy? I mean ecstatic!
It was about a week ago. It's very possible that not all dealers had their notification at the same time hence some are non the wiser. I really hope that's the case for you. Just keep contacting them and tell them that your mates on pustonheads have had news through of a second run. They could quite easily call their contact at Porsche UK and get the info. Did I say happy? I mean ecstatic!
This is very much the second run so badger them!
Keep us updated.
Which is extremely frustrating for me as I'm next in the cue. I'm going to be well bagged off if they allocate cars to dealership with a decent size waiting list!
So close yet so far!
JiggyJaggy said:
Thanks for the advice. How much deposit are you guys placing and is this on a PCP with a balloon payment? Just trying to gauge how long I would keep the car etc really.
Did you know you can play around with different deposits, mileage, term etc etc on the Porsche website? Just go > Cayman > Build your own > show summary > calculate monthly payment. Porsche are running a rate of 7.1% atm which is not too bad for Porsche 
Elvorfin said:
So badgering update. It's taken a while but the OPC have finally got confirmation from Porsche GB that there are additional build slots in May and June, but they aren't confirming what dealerships they are giving them to. The sales guy agreed with me when i said I'm sure that Porsche GB know full well which dealerships are getting them, they just aren't telling!
The June build slots have already been handed out, so unless a few have been held back, I can't see there being many more. Also, Porsche GB by their own admission state that they only find out about slots and where they have been allocated once the dealerships know, they don't control it, and basically get all information second hand from Reading OPC where they are based anyway.Fokker said:
Gary, how much can you borrow with that rate from Halifax? Unsecured is normally about 25k max?
States 60k and is secured against the car. They have straight repayment, or balloon option similar to PCP (better interest rates of course). The example rate stated on the splash page is 4.2% APR if not actually logged in.mdianuk said:
The June build slots have already been handed out, so unless a few have been held back, I can't see there being many more. Also, Porsche GB by their own admission state that they only find out about slots and where they have been allocated once the dealerships know, they don't control it, and basically get all information second hand from Reading OPC where they are based anyway.
Sorry I don't really understand that. I thought that Porsche GB were the link between the OPCs and the Porsche mothership. I understand that Reading was the original Porsche owned dealership (I think) but didn't appreciate the they tell PGB what is going on. Have I got that right?By the sounds of it then ..... I'm screwed!
LaSource said:
Makes sense.
The cage bars on a 997 become considerably stronger and heavier when compared to the 996...I can imagine the GT4 is of a similar sturdy build.
So the trick to maximise resale and laptime is to buy a PCCB clubsport and then remove the cage until resale time
I'm not saying a PCCB non clubsport will have a higher resale value than a steel clubsport merely it will be quicker!.PCCB costs approx £2000 more than clubsport,imho the latter option will retain its value better purely because it has no wear issues and consequently no potential future expensive billsThe cage bars on a 997 become considerably stronger and heavier when compared to the 996...I can imagine the GT4 is of a similar sturdy build.
So the trick to maximise resale and laptime is to buy a PCCB clubsport and then remove the cage until resale time
Elvorfin said:
Sorry I don't really understand that. I thought that Porsche GB were the link between the OPCs and the Porsche mothership. I understand that Reading was the original Porsche owned dealership (I think) but didn't appreciate the they tell PGB what is going on. Have I got that right?
By the sounds of it then ..... I'm screwed!
Yes, from my understanding of it from speaking to a senior exec within Porsche GB itself. They seemed to suggest that they have no control over allocations (I believe Porsche fleet do, though unsure who they are and how they operate) and find out after they've been allocated; maybe not from OPC Reading, but they are certainly based there. Could be wrong of course, but that is what they told me (maybe a fob off!).By the sounds of it then ..... I'm screwed!
Taffy66 said:
Fokker said:
I had no ideas that the CS pack was so heavy and also the lights?!
What are peoples thoughts on the smaller fuel tank? Are most speccing the 64l ? I would imagine that a 54l is pretty poor if you're getting 23/25 MPG.
Bear in mind the rollcage is made from high tensile tubular steel which is weight high up on the car.The guy i refer to on Rennlist cited one of the reasons his GT4 was slower around the Ring in comparison to the Sportauto one was the added weight.Maybe he was making excuses rather than admit the other guy was the better driver !.What are peoples thoughts on the smaller fuel tank? Are most speccing the 64l ? I would imagine that a 54l is pretty poor if you're getting 23/25 MPG.
Which ever way you cut it 51kg weight saving on a circa 1400kg car is significant esp when 18kg is unsprung and 27kg is above the rollcentre of the car. A Pccb non clubsport GT4 will always be quicker than a steel clubsport one.
Speccing the 64l tank for free in lieu of standard 55l tank is a no brainer as both empty tanks weigh identical,just put the same amount of fuel in both.
I hope i have started a fresh heated debate on the above points i've raised.;)
1. I agree that, all other things being equal, a PCCB car will be quicker than a steel disc car. This will be largely attributable to traction gains arising from better contact as a result of the the lower sprung masses.
2. I am not sure that, all other things being equal, a cage equipped car will be quicker than one without a cage. It is possible that handling gains might outweigh the impact of the additional weight.
An interesting question might be whether a cage equipped car understeers less than one without a cage due to additional rigidity across the rear axle and greater rearward weight distribution.
iantr said:
I think that the impacts of PCCB and roll cages should be viewed separately. It is more complex than just adding/subtracting mass. My thoughts:
1. I agree that, all other things being equal, a PCCB car will be quicker than a steel disc car. This will be largely attributable to traction gains arising from better contact as a result of the the lower sprung masses.
2. I am not sure that, all other things being equal, a cage equipped car will be quicker than one without a cage. It is possible that handling gains might outweigh the impact of the additional weight.
An interesting question might be whether a cage equipped car understeers less than one without a cage due to additional rigidity across the rear axle and greater rearward weight distribution.
The problem with the substantial weight of rollcage is not weight per se but the fact the weight is all above the roll centre of the car.In effect it is the same as raising the overall height of the car ie raising the CoG.Andreas Preulinger was quoted as justifying the millions spent on the magnesium roof of the 991GT3RS to save a paltry 1kg was because it was above the roll centre of the car.The torsional rigidity of the standard Cayman is already an industry leading 40,000Nm and the GT4 is more rigid due to extra chassis bracing.1. I agree that, all other things being equal, a PCCB car will be quicker than a steel disc car. This will be largely attributable to traction gains arising from better contact as a result of the the lower sprung masses.
2. I am not sure that, all other things being equal, a cage equipped car will be quicker than one without a cage. It is possible that handling gains might outweigh the impact of the additional weight.
An interesting question might be whether a cage equipped car understeers less than one without a cage due to additional rigidity across the rear axle and greater rearward weight distribution.
The point of the rollcage is a safety measure if you land on the roof, despite the fact the higher CoG caused the roll in the first place
.Surely a case of the poison becoming the medicine
Phooey said:
I saw a red GT4 yesterday on the A52 / Nottingham Knight island - just up from Nottingham Porsche. Looked great on the road. Driver taking it very easy as it was pi55ing it down! Anyone on here??
Possibly the one that's been sat rusting away in Notts OPC compound for weeks on end...Elvorfin said:
So badgering update. It's taken a while but the OPC have finally got confirmation from Porsche GB that there are additional build slots in May and June, but they aren't confirming what dealerships they are giving them to. The sales guy agreed with me when i said I'm sure that Porsche GB know full well which dealerships are getting them, they just aren't telling!
Which is extremely frustrating for me as I'm next in the cue. I'm going to be well bagged off if they allocate cars to dealership with a decent size waiting list!
So close yet so far!
Those dealerships which exceed their total portfolio sales for the year tend to get a reward by a few extra GT cars on which of course they can make full margin. Which is extremely frustrating for me as I'm next in the cue. I'm going to be well bagged off if they allocate cars to dealership with a decent size waiting list!
So close yet so far!
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