Prospective 981 GT4 Owners Discussion Forum.

[JiggyJaggy]

Thats not a bargain when a list price is £75k. lol. I haven't hit the trigger yet, still mulling.

[mdianuk]

m33ufo said:

LWB's would have been nice, but at £90K I think you picked yourself up a bit of a bargain.

Not convinced £90k will be a bargain in a few months time when the market is littered with cars being flipped. I'm starting to question whether even list is sustainable given the increase in numbers being made (I know, wash my mouth out with soap).

[m33ufo]

mdianuk said:

m33ufo said:

LWB's would have been nice, but at £90K I think you picked yourself up a bit of a bargain.

Not convinced £90k will be a bargain in a few months time when the market is littered with cars being flipped. I'm starting to question whether even list is sustainable given the increase in numbers being made (I know, wash my mouth out with soap).

I really don't understand the train of thought. The fact that they are selling in the Winter at circa £30K over for the right spec surely bodes well for even firmer prices come Spring. Who buys a car unless it's a massive bargain at this time of year?

Personally don't see a few extra cars making a difference.

[AdamV12V]

m33ufo said:

mdianuk said:

m33ufo said:

LWB's would have been nice, but at £90K I think you picked yourself up a bit of a bargain.

Not convinced £90k will be a bargain in a few months time when the market is littered with cars being flipped. I'm starting to question whether even list is sustainable given the increase in numbers being made (I know, wash my mouth out with soap).

I really don't understand the train of thought. The fact that they are selling in the Winter at circa £30K over for the right spec surely bodes well for even firmer prices come Spring. Who buys a car unless it's a massive bargain at this time of year?

Personally don't see a few extra cars making a difference.

I agree, yes a few dealers have a handful of extra cars but the total numbers will still be very low. I don't think anybody is suggesting even as many as say 400 cars, which is still realistically a very low number - akin to GT3 numbers, the prices of which are still holding up well 2yrs on.

[paralla]

There's no denying a phone does a better job of navigating, but maybe not in a car. The Nav in a GT4 might be outdated and laching functionality but if it can guide me to a destination postcode by lowering the stereo volume and giving me spoken and graphical instructions that's good enough for me. I sometimes use a smartphone in hire cars when on holiday, we almost ended up in Compton rather than LAX because I missed an exit from the freeway after missing an instruction from the phone. The lack of integration with the stereo is the problem.

The 981 dash looks the same regardless, Nav or no Nav so that argument really isn't relavent anymore.

I think everyone can agree (on PH, I know!) that different people will have different opinions on the merits of PCM, if you accept that you accept that you migh be excluding a portion of potential buyers come resale time.

[Elvorfin]

RSVP911 said:

I guess it's an integration argument vs. Ugly wires and ancillary on the dash / window - IMHO I would always prefer to buy a car with Nav (all things being equal) As always though , no right or wrong with this - just choices

The other thing is that if Porsche have done the Bluetooth connection correctly you can stream the audio turn by turn instructions from the phone so no wires or phone stuck to the window. I mean the 120 quid Sony unit in my 13 year old Discovery 2 can manage that!

[anonymous-user]

Sarnie said:

I bought my R 12 months ago.

I immediately ruled out all cars without PCM. Just couldn't ever buy a car of note, without the Sat Nav.

I certainly wouldn't buy a GT4 without PCM either.

Out of interest, why not? I've always found the PCM disappointing. As it is, when my GT4 arrives, it's not even going to have the new PCM that first surfaced in the Macan GTS. I checked with the dealer.

[av185]

mdianuk said:

Not convinced £90k will be a bargain in a few months time when the market is littered with cars being flipped. I'm starting to question whether even list is sustainable given the increase in numbers being made (I know, wash my mouth out with soap).

People said this about the GT3s this time last year the few cars being sold then which were actually changing hands for a smaller proportionate premium than the GT4. Then once Christmas was forgotton and Spring beckoned with the peak buying season the prices went ballistic. As Adam has mentioned, the GT3 and GT4 production numbers will be similar and bearing in mind the GT4 is more affordable to buy and run than the GT3 there may well be a similar end result.

[RSVP911]

anonymous said:

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But look at those 2 wires

[anonymous-user]

RSVP911 said:

I guess it's an integration argument vs. Ugly wires and ancillary on the dash / window - IMHO I would always prefer to buy a car with Nav (all things being equal) As always though , no right or wrong with this - just choices

I'm not giving anyone a hard time, just interested in the thinking behind it. I always reasoned that third party manufacturers are more motivated to produce a better unit as their sales are governed by market forces. My current Tom Tom is on a base which sits on the dash and never slides around. No wires as the battery lasts for 10h. And yes, I was a mug and ordered it in my R and have done it again in the GT4. Irritated that it isn't even going to be the new PCM that debuted in the Macan GTS. If you're buying yesterday's technology when it's new and you're a buyer 4 years down the track, you're effectively buying a product that is 6-8 years in product lifecycle.

Picked up a new Golf GTD yesterday and the head unit in that is a step above in terms of interface, responsiveness and so forth. I imagine that's what the next gen PCM will be like and I'd hope to see continuous firmware development to improve it, there's value in that, particularly for a second hand buyer. The earlier stuff is pretty primitive at the get go and shows its age now badly. 996 series cars in particular - I wouldn't even factor that into a purchase decision looking at a 996 car.

[Elvorfin]

Mutema said:

If you're buying yesterday's technology when it's new and you're a buyer 4 years down the track, you're effectively buying a product that is 6-8 years in product lifecycle.

I bought a 6 year old S8 a few years ago which had the toy box thrown at it (up from 64k to almost 90k!) and it was hard to believe that someone paid over 3 big ones for CD based Nav that looked like something out of the dark ages!

If I was looking for an older second hand sports car I'd be looking for one without Nav as it looks so gash.

Just my personal opinion

[paralla]

I got a new Tiguan daily driver this week and the Nav/stereo in it from the MK7 Golf it puts the one in my 981 to shame. I guess the new Porsche one is comparable. Apple Car Play (it also does Google Auto & MirrorLink) seems like such a sensible way forward, moving most of the functionality from the car to the phone, the car bits are just I/O devices.

[mdianuk]

av185 said:

People said this about the GT3s this time last year the few cars being sold then which were actually changing hands for a smaller proportionate premium than the GT4. Then once Christmas was forgotton and Spring beckoned with the peak buying season the prices went ballistic. As Adam has mentioned, the GT3 and GT4 production numbers will be similar and bearing in mind the GT4 is more affordable to buy and run than the GT3 there may well be a similar end result.

Quite often references are made to the GT3, which is still being 'advertised' with overs of approx. £20k, but are these cars actually selling; the lack of change in the classifieds would suggest not. I just don't believe that realistically, as a buyer/seller, the existing price of £100k for a GT4 can be sustained, regardless of just how amazing it is. Different beast admittedly, but the Cayman R was only made in 100ish manuals, yet prices are now under list, albeit fairly stable. The numbers on the GT4 are likely to be around 300; maybe less if we ignore those suggesting dealerships have had 15-20 cars (sure!). Having said all that, I've not followed the market on GT cars before, so I may be wrong, and naturally with a car on order, hope I will be. Unfortunately by the time we see where the market is heading, I'll already be committed to a car but still waiting on the damn delivery!!!

[W12JFD]

I'm posting here as there are plenty of track biased drivers in GT4s so I apologise for the Spyder content!

My Spyder's Pirellis are shot after 2,500 miles and two track days but I've now found that Michelin Pilot Cup Twos aren't manufactured in 235/35 for the front axle (265s are available for the rear)

Any suggestions for alternatives would be very welcome as I didn't really rate the Pirellis! Cheers

[isaldiri]

av185 said:

mdianuk said:

Not convinced £90k will be a bargain in a few months time when the market is littered with cars being flipped. I'm starting to question whether even list is sustainable given the increase in numbers being made (I know, wash my mouth out with soap).

People said this about the GT3s this time last year the few cars being sold then which were actually changing hands for a smaller proportionate premium than the GT4. Then once Christmas was forgotton and Spring beckoned with the peak buying season the prices went ballistic. As Adam has mentioned, the GT3 and GT4 production numbers will be similar and bearing in mind the GT4 is more affordable to buy and run than the GT3 there may well be a similar end result.

Appreciating from list is a very recent thing for the GT cars. They have in the past always depreciated, not a lot but nevertheless definitely have fallen and the GT4 IMO will not hold to list once the 'newest latest shiny thing' effect fades.

Still interested in one in that case....? Well if not even better - I hope the place goes to someone who will actually like.. drive the car rather than buy it purely in the expectation of making money

[RSVP911]

anonymous said:

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Ah , why didn't you say , maybe it's ok - my therapist says it's good to try this sort of thing

[av185]

isaldiri said:

Appreciating from list is a very recent thing for the GT cars. They have in the past always depreciated, not a lot but nevertheless definitely have fallen and the GT4 IMO will not hold to list once the 'newest latest shiny thing' effect fades.

The 991 GT3 was perhaps slightly 'dethroned' by the GT4 and RS with many for the wrong reasons switching into the these as the 'next shiny bauble'.

But where do those non enthusiasts who are interested in such superficialities go next after the GT4? (Apart from the limited lukewarm offerings from other manufacturers at more money!). The answer is clearly nowhere, as there is nothing now particularly exciting in the Porsche line up due until perhaps the gen 2 GT3 which will be a couple of years off. That is why the GT4 is likely to at least maintain its current levels for some time to come.

[HammerCJ]

Are the default ARB settings when you collect from the OPC in the middle? Should you be able to specify whatever you want as part of their prep?

I found the GT4 to understeer when pushed hard, and that seems to be consensus. What settings are required to dial this out?

Also, I assume with the clubsport pack, all harnesses are installed and ready to go?

[iantr]

HammerCJ said:

Are the default ARB settings when you collect from the OPC in the middle? Should you be able to specify whatever you want as part of their prep?

I found the GT4 to understeer when pushed hard, and that seems to be consensus. What settings are required to dial this out?

Also, I assume with the clubsport pack, all harnesses are installed and ready to go?

Yes - default ARB settings are middle front and rear. I'm sure you can ask for them to be changed as part of your PDI/setup - it's an easy job. I'll let one of the track demons comment on your setup request...

My harnesses arrived neatly boxed in the front luggage compartment. They were fitted later in the week on request, and at no charge. Apparently it is quite common for people to run their cars in before having the harnesses fitted.

[jackwood]

W12JFD said:

I'm posting here as there are plenty of track biased drivers in GT4s so I apologise for the Spyder content!

My Spyder's Pirellis are shot after 2,500 miles and two track days but I've now found that Michelin Pilot Cup Twos aren't manufactured in 235/35 for the front axle (265s are available for the rear)

Any suggestions for alternatives would be very welcome as I didn't really rate the Pirellis! Cheers

235/35 R19's are available in Cup2's

https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres-235-35-19/?...