Prospective 981 GT4 Owners Discussion Forum.
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jackwood said:
I know, but the fronts are 20s sadlymdianuk said:
Quite often references are made to the GT3, which is still being 'advertised' with overs of approx. £20k, but are these cars actually selling; the lack of change in the classifieds would suggest not. I just don't believe that realistically, as a buyer/seller, the existing price of £100k for a GT4 can be sustained, regardless of just how amazing it is. Different beast admittedly, but the Cayman R was only made in 100ish manuals, yet prices are now under list, albeit fairly stable. The numbers on the GT4 are likely to be around 300; maybe less if we ignore those suggesting dealerships have had 15-20 cars (sure!). Having said all that, I've not followed the market on GT cars before, so I may be wrong, and naturally with a car on order, hope I will be. Unfortunately by the time we see where the market is heading, I'll already be committed to a car but still waiting on the damn delivery!!!
The apparent lack of movement in gt3 sales you observe is probably down to the time of year more than anything,plus factor in the gt4 will have impacted on it.But it's not unusual to see high end performance cars sat in dealers for months on end from November to March .franki68 said:
The apparent lack of movement in gt3 sales you observe is probably down to the time of year more than anything,plus factor in the gt4 will have impacted on it.But it's not unusual to see high end performance cars sat in dealers for months on end from November to March .
I appreciate this, but I'm talking GT3's with these kind of overs that have been in the dealerships for the best part of the summer too. Either that says they are overpriced and should be closer or below list, or that the GT4 has had a significant impact on their sales.W12JFD said:
I'm posting here as there are plenty of track biased drivers in GT4s so I apologise for the Spyder content!
My Spyder's Pirellis are shot after 2,500 miles and two track days but I've now found that Michelin Pilot Cup Twos aren't manufactured in 235/35 for the front axle (265s are available for the rear)
Any suggestions for alternatives would be very welcome as I didn't really rate the Pirellis! Cheers
Can you get Michelin supersports in the right sizes? ChrisW had them on his Cayman R and they performed very well on both track and road.My Spyder's Pirellis are shot after 2,500 miles and two track days but I've now found that Michelin Pilot Cup Twos aren't manufactured in 235/35 for the front axle (265s are available for the rear)
Any suggestions for alternatives would be very welcome as I didn't really rate the Pirellis! Cheers
Re the GT3 991 market I have two thoughts on the situation.
1. There was an over supply of maybe 20 - 30 cars, this was due to rouge dealers who sold cars to non public i.e. resellers both garages and individuals / sports car garages sometimes for backhanders who would then sell at a considerable profit.
2. At its peak there were about 50 plus cars on Pistonheads after launch. Then it settled a bit and just before the GT3RS and GT4 came out there were about 30 advertised on Pistonheads, there are now 56 again so there is your current impact.
The price will soften further and you'll see them disappear back into ownership where they settle and eventually appreciate again as all these things do. Its taking longer due to oversupply.
I predict that the 997.2 GT3 will become a darling and will outstrip the 991 values, especially CS cars.
As for the GT4, I think it will do very well, they are more affordable so will have more potential buyers. Its also useable as an everyday car whereas the GT3 isn't - this is a major difference.
The days of GT cars falling in price from their new values are gone. GT cars are a bargain when new, considering what you are getting for your money in these days of other manufacturers baby supercars starting at 200k plus.
The fact that they are made in limited numbers and are sensibly priced creates this whole boom market situation, I mean a 991 GT3 RS for 131k? No wonder people are falling over themselves to get one...
A new 991 GT3 was 100k plus options when a Turbo S is 145k ! Need I say more?
1. There was an over supply of maybe 20 - 30 cars, this was due to rouge dealers who sold cars to non public i.e. resellers both garages and individuals / sports car garages sometimes for backhanders who would then sell at a considerable profit.
2. At its peak there were about 50 plus cars on Pistonheads after launch. Then it settled a bit and just before the GT3RS and GT4 came out there were about 30 advertised on Pistonheads, there are now 56 again so there is your current impact.
The price will soften further and you'll see them disappear back into ownership where they settle and eventually appreciate again as all these things do. Its taking longer due to oversupply.
I predict that the 997.2 GT3 will become a darling and will outstrip the 991 values, especially CS cars.
As for the GT4, I think it will do very well, they are more affordable so will have more potential buyers. Its also useable as an everyday car whereas the GT3 isn't - this is a major difference.
The days of GT cars falling in price from their new values are gone. GT cars are a bargain when new, considering what you are getting for your money in these days of other manufacturers baby supercars starting at 200k plus.
The fact that they are made in limited numbers and are sensibly priced creates this whole boom market situation, I mean a 991 GT3 RS for 131k? No wonder people are falling over themselves to get one...
A new 991 GT3 was 100k plus options when a Turbo S is 145k ! Need I say more?
Fokker said:
Re the GT3 991 market I have two thoughts on the situation.
1. There was an over supply of maybe 20 - 30 cars, this was due to rouge dealers who sold cars to non public i.e. resellers both garages and individuals / sports car garages sometimes for backhanders who would then sell at a considerable profit.
2. At its peak there were about 50 plus cars on Pistonheads after launch. Then it settled a bit and just before the GT3RS and GT4 came out there were about 30 advertised on Pistonheads, there are now 56 again so there is your current impact.
The price will soften further and you'll see them disappear back into ownership where they settle and eventually appreciate again as all these things do. Its taking longer due to oversupply.
I predict that the 997.2 GT3 will become a darling and will outstrip the 991 values, especially CS cars.
As for the GT4, I think it will do very well, they are more affordable so will have more potential buyers. Its also useable as an everyday car whereas the GT3 isn't - this is a major difference.
The days of GT cars falling in price from their new values are gone. GT cars are a bargain when new, considering what you are getting for your money in these days of other manufacturers baby supercars starting at 200k plus.
The fact that they are made in limited numbers and are sensibly priced creates this whole boom market situation, I mean a 991 GT3 RS for 131k? No wonder people are falling over themselves to get one...
A new 991 GT3 was 100k plus options when a Turbo S is 145k ! Need I say more?
Good post - only two things I'd take issue with : firstly the GT3 is an absolutely brilliant DD and i can only see 31 RHD GT3's on PH for sale (rest are LHD , wanted , RS's , Sold looking for etc ) - either way lots to choose from and as such I agree prices have some way to go yet 1. There was an over supply of maybe 20 - 30 cars, this was due to rouge dealers who sold cars to non public i.e. resellers both garages and individuals / sports car garages sometimes for backhanders who would then sell at a considerable profit.
2. At its peak there were about 50 plus cars on Pistonheads after launch. Then it settled a bit and just before the GT3RS and GT4 came out there were about 30 advertised on Pistonheads, there are now 56 again so there is your current impact.
The price will soften further and you'll see them disappear back into ownership where they settle and eventually appreciate again as all these things do. Its taking longer due to oversupply.
I predict that the 997.2 GT3 will become a darling and will outstrip the 991 values, especially CS cars.
As for the GT4, I think it will do very well, they are more affordable so will have more potential buyers. Its also useable as an everyday car whereas the GT3 isn't - this is a major difference.
The days of GT cars falling in price from their new values are gone. GT cars are a bargain when new, considering what you are getting for your money in these days of other manufacturers baby supercars starting at 200k plus.
The fact that they are made in limited numbers and are sensibly priced creates this whole boom market situation, I mean a 991 GT3 RS for 131k? No wonder people are falling over themselves to get one...
A new 991 GT3 was 100k plus options when a Turbo S is 145k ! Need I say more?
Edited by RSVP911 on Friday 4th December 14:01
mdianuk said:
franki68 said:
The apparent lack of movement in gt3 sales you observe is probably down to the time of year more than anything,plus factor in the gt4 will have impacted on it.But it's not unusual to see high end performance cars sat in dealers for months on end from November to March .
I appreciate this, but I'm talking GT3's with these kind of overs that have been in the dealerships for the best part of the summer too. Either that says they are overpriced and should be closer or below list, or that the GT4 has had a significant impact on their sales.OPC typically want 10+vat for sor cars
OPC retails unrealistic.
TOP555 have it right-advertise at 133k ish and it sells
The gt3 is useable everyday,the gt4 is more hard work to use every day purely from the it being manual and a quite heavy clutch.The gt3 is noisier though ,but both can be used as a daily but they are both flawed as such .
Personally the lift is irrelvant,I took a wrong turn and ended up in a car park with the biggest speed humps I have ever seen and the car dealt fine with them all.It also goes down my path no problem which is more than can be said for some of the supercars I've had.
Personally the lift is irrelvant,I took a wrong turn and ended up in a car park with the biggest speed humps I have ever seen and the car dealt fine with them all.It also goes down my path no problem which is more than can be said for some of the supercars I've had.
W12JFD said:
jackwood said:
I know, but the fronts are 20s sadlyGassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff