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PorscheGT4 said:
It's not a hard business model to work out imo !
It's simple if a dealer, because I'd imagine most are sold on SOR, so apart from a small amount of marketing and floor space, there is little cost to them. I'm just trying to understand the long term view; that certainly isn't as easy to figure out.
mdianuk said:
It's simple if a dealer, because I'd imagine most are sold on SOR, so apart from a small amount of marketing and floor space, there is little cost to them. I'm just trying to understand the long term view; that certainly isn't as easy to figure out.
and no one will know as we have no idea if the gen 2 GT4 or GT4 RS will be any good if they happen at all.All we can go on is todays price and that seems £30k overs at best.
If the GT4 is the last and only ever 3.8 NA Cayman then prices will reflect that. If a gen 2 comes out prices will drop maybe below list 10k odd.
PorscheGT4 said:
If the GT4 is the last and only ever 3.8 NA Cayman then prices will reflect that. If a gen 2 comes out prices will drop maybe below list 10k odd.
And this is a very key point, because will Porsche really want to develop an N/A engine for the Cayman, when the base cars, both Cayman and 911 will be turbo. Bit different for the GT3's as they use that engine in two models, so unless they plant that engine in the Cayman GT4.2, then I fear turbo power (would the GT division even be interested in developing therefore!). In any case, my LOI/deposit is in on a GT4RS just in case.
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Maybe a comfort spec car for 85 - 92k in the spring but not a CS spec car.
Its in so much demand, there are way more people than cars, some dealers have 30 deposits still to this day.
You can pick up a car with sport seats now for about 90k - 95k but a car with LWBS and cage will always command quite a premium.
There are people out there just waiting to buy, JZM have just sold a blue car with LWBS but no cage for 102k which was well priced so it flew out the door.
The top of the market atm is 110k and there seems to be a £5k premium on the cage. the key is, that come early next year, if these all start selling, the price will increase. they're stable now due to the time of year and people holding off to see what happens. They might miss the boat though and all of a sudden, 110k for CS car looked good value. As I have said before, you won't see a GT car near its new price again on the used market, those days are gone.
I reckon that people are poised waiting to see what happens to the price but as soon as they see that it stays firm next year, they will all get snapped up very quickly.
The car is more of an event with the right spec, this is critical. The other key is the manual gearbox as this is something that even a multi millionaire can't have in his GT3.
The next gen GT4 engine is to me a very interesting debate. Porsche have said that they won't put a turbo unit in a GT3 for some time yet due to racing homologation etc and I think that will also apply to the GT4. That statement will have to apply to the GT brand not just the GT3. I think they'll just rework the engine in the current GT4 and as for a GT4 RS, I can't see that happening for a long time as the GT4 clubsport track car was the answer to that debate. they will all go turbo one day but at the same time and in about 2/3 generations time is my prediction. they're not under pressure to turbo GT cars, look at Lambo and Audi...
Its in so much demand, there are way more people than cars, some dealers have 30 deposits still to this day.
You can pick up a car with sport seats now for about 90k - 95k but a car with LWBS and cage will always command quite a premium.
There are people out there just waiting to buy, JZM have just sold a blue car with LWBS but no cage for 102k which was well priced so it flew out the door.
The top of the market atm is 110k and there seems to be a £5k premium on the cage. the key is, that come early next year, if these all start selling, the price will increase. they're stable now due to the time of year and people holding off to see what happens. They might miss the boat though and all of a sudden, 110k for CS car looked good value. As I have said before, you won't see a GT car near its new price again on the used market, those days are gone.
I reckon that people are poised waiting to see what happens to the price but as soon as they see that it stays firm next year, they will all get snapped up very quickly.
The car is more of an event with the right spec, this is critical. The other key is the manual gearbox as this is something that even a multi millionaire can't have in his GT3.
The next gen GT4 engine is to me a very interesting debate. Porsche have said that they won't put a turbo unit in a GT3 for some time yet due to racing homologation etc and I think that will also apply to the GT4. That statement will have to apply to the GT brand not just the GT3. I think they'll just rework the engine in the current GT4 and as for a GT4 RS, I can't see that happening for a long time as the GT4 clubsport track car was the answer to that debate. they will all go turbo one day but at the same time and in about 2/3 generations time is my prediction. they're not under pressure to turbo GT cars, look at Lambo and Audi...
I wasn't sure when i spec'd it but i think its hit the spotFokker said:
As I have said before, you won't see a GT car near its new price again on the used market, those days are gone.
1998 996 GT3 list price was £76,5002006 997 GT3 list price was £79,540
I am pretty sure you can pick up one of these models for around the same if not cheaper than their list price.
Fokker said:
Maybe a comfort spec car for 85 - 92k in the spring but not a CS spec car.
Its in so much demand, there are way more people than cars, some dealers have 30 deposits still to this day.
You can pick up a car with sport seats now for about 90k - 95k but a car with LWBS and cage will always command quite a premium.
There are people out there just waiting to buy, JZM have just sold a blue car with LWBS but no cage for 102k which was well priced so it flew out the door.
The top of the market atm is 110k and there seems to be a £5k premium on the cage. the key is, that come early next year, if these all start selling, the price will increase. they're stable now due to the time of year and people holding off to see what happens. They might miss the boat though and all of a sudden, 110k for CS car looked good value. As I have said before, you won't see a GT car near its new price again on the used market, those days are gone.
I reckon that people are poised waiting to see what happens to the price but as soon as they see that it stays firm next year, they will all get snapped up very quickly.
The car is more of an event with the right spec, this is critical. The other key is the manual gearbox as this is something that even a multi millionaire can't have in his GT3.
The next gen GT4 engine is to me a very interesting debate. Porsche have said that they won't put a turbo unit in a GT3 for some time yet due to racing homologation etc and I think that will also apply to the GT4. That statement will have to apply to the GT brand not just the GT3. I think they'll just rework the engine in the current GT4 and as for a GT4 RS, I can't see that happening for a long time as the GT4 clubsport track car was the answer to that debate. they will all go turbo one day but at the same time and in about 2/3 generations time is my prediction. they're not under pressure to turbo GT cars, look at Lambo and Audi...
Insightful assessment of current and future position; I hope you are right! So in your opinion, the clubsport is worth £2,500 all day long? This is one I'm debating at the moment; would complete the 'racing' feel, but surely that goes hand in hand with removal of the radio/air-con and I doubt anyone is mad enough to do that. Have surrendered to adding PCM now, not because of residuals, but because my missus (who won't drive it) insisted that a car of that value should have it, whether it is worth it or not!Its in so much demand, there are way more people than cars, some dealers have 30 deposits still to this day.
You can pick up a car with sport seats now for about 90k - 95k but a car with LWBS and cage will always command quite a premium.
There are people out there just waiting to buy, JZM have just sold a blue car with LWBS but no cage for 102k which was well priced so it flew out the door.
The top of the market atm is 110k and there seems to be a £5k premium on the cage. the key is, that come early next year, if these all start selling, the price will increase. they're stable now due to the time of year and people holding off to see what happens. They might miss the boat though and all of a sudden, 110k for CS car looked good value. As I have said before, you won't see a GT car near its new price again on the used market, those days are gone.
I reckon that people are poised waiting to see what happens to the price but as soon as they see that it stays firm next year, they will all get snapped up very quickly.
The car is more of an event with the right spec, this is critical. The other key is the manual gearbox as this is something that even a multi millionaire can't have in his GT3.
The next gen GT4 engine is to me a very interesting debate. Porsche have said that they won't put a turbo unit in a GT3 for some time yet due to racing homologation etc and I think that will also apply to the GT4. That statement will have to apply to the GT brand not just the GT3. I think they'll just rework the engine in the current GT4 and as for a GT4 RS, I can't see that happening for a long time as the GT4 clubsport track car was the answer to that debate. they will all go turbo one day but at the same time and in about 2/3 generations time is my prediction. they're not under pressure to turbo GT cars, look at Lambo and Audi...
anonymous said:
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Quite expensive to retain and produce these engines in such low volume for a few years time, no?Fokker said:
Stupid questions but II guess thats deposits being returned for people that didn't have an allocation??
Yes, those with deposits in place that haven't already been confirmed a build slot. Those like me that have a slot but not submitted a spec yet are fine...at least I hope 
Edited by mdianuk on Thursday 10th December 16:59
Fokker said:
I meant newer cars not the older stuff but fair comment!
Maybe the 996/7 gen GT3 is currently underpriced ....... or the GT4 is overpriced....... who knows and who can say?
All I know is this current demand for NEW and the crazy prices that go with it are a little.....well.....crazy! Where has all this money come from? Who can quite happily think spending £110k on a car that cost £70k new is acceptable? Maybe I am just poor but if I had a spare £40k to spunk up a wall I would be buying another property and renting it out!
Question to those who've got their car or who are collecting one imminently:
Do you know if a full wheel alignment takes place at the dealership as part of the PDI process? Given that the driving experience is likely to be quite sensitive to changes in setup, it would be good if you felt reassured that the car is definitely set up how it's supposed to be.
Mine has now landed at the dealership but won't be PDI'd for a few weeks yet, as I collect it on 9th Jan. I'll start with the default medium-medium for the ARBs but want to make sure that everything else is exactly as it should be, so I can form a true impression.
Cheers,
Stunters
Do you know if a full wheel alignment takes place at the dealership as part of the PDI process? Given that the driving experience is likely to be quite sensitive to changes in setup, it would be good if you felt reassured that the car is definitely set up how it's supposed to be.
Mine has now landed at the dealership but won't be PDI'd for a few weeks yet, as I collect it on 9th Jan. I'll start with the default medium-medium for the ARBs but want to make sure that everything else is exactly as it should be, so I can form a true impression.
Cheers,
Stunters
'Insightful assessment of current and future position; I hope you are right! So in your opinion, the clubsport is worth £2,500 all day long? This is one I'm debating at the moment; would complete the 'racing' feel, but surely that goes hand in hand with removal of the radio/air-con and I doubt anyone is mad enough to do that. Have surrendered to adding PCM now, not because of residuals, but because my missus (who won't drive it) insisted that a car of that value should have it, whether it is worth it or not!'
Ian, that seems to be the case with the cage otherwise it could be seen as a half measure. Nothing wrong with that necessarily, its just that in my opinion, if you're going to have a car with 918 seats, why not go the whole hog.
For me, I want a car thats not like everyone else's. I can't have unique, unless I specify pink (!) but I can spec the car so that its maybe in the most focused 10-15% of GT4's in the country.
I'll keep mine for about 3 years or at least until the .2 gen comes out even though I keep telling ,myself to stop chasing the newest beast!
PCM is a no brainer to me and I think your wife is correct
) The used market wants it so why make it harder to sell on?? CS pack for track and resale plus Nav for that trip to Europe........... and resale...
At the end of the day whats 5k in the scheme of things.
Ian, that seems to be the case with the cage otherwise it could be seen as a half measure. Nothing wrong with that necessarily, its just that in my opinion, if you're going to have a car with 918 seats, why not go the whole hog.
For me, I want a car thats not like everyone else's. I can't have unique, unless I specify pink (!) but I can spec the car so that its maybe in the most focused 10-15% of GT4's in the country.
I'll keep mine for about 3 years or at least until the .2 gen comes out even though I keep telling ,myself to stop chasing the newest beast!
PCM is a no brainer to me and I think your wife is correct
) The used market wants it so why make it harder to sell on?? CS pack for track and resale plus Nav for that trip to Europe........... and resale...At the end of the day whats 5k in the scheme of things.
mdianuk said:
It's simple if a dealer, because I'd imagine most are sold on SOR, so apart from a small amount of marketing and floor space, there is little cost to them. I'm just trying to understand the long term view; that certainly isn't as easy to figure out.
The business model isn't the question here, as Ian says, its the future market. Even though I am keeping mine I still find it really interesting but then maybe thats because i like business!Surely if you can have your cake and eat it thats a good thing all round!
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