Panamera 3.0 v6 0-60 in 6.8 seconds - Not a bit pathetic
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Don't want to start an argument here but by any stretch is that not a bit rubbish?
I know the 0-62 times are not the be able end all but they still give you a good guage of what the car is like: traction, acceleration, torque etc etc etc
especially for a porsche I find this quite bad....
What are other peoples thoughts - owners and non owners
I know the 0-62 times are not the be able end all but they still give you a good guage of what the car is like: traction, acceleration, torque etc etc etc
especially for a porsche I find this quite bad....
What are other peoples thoughts - owners and non owners
Edited by IATM on Tuesday 28th October 09:04
There is no doubt its a good car and I am sure the mid range punch is great but comparing it to say a 640d gran coupe.
I would have the BMW hands down in a 40-50k price bracket.
or even an audi a7 bitdi.
Yes the porsche has a does have a nicer interior than the A7 but id the bmw's interior is near enough on par with the Porsche or maybe JUST below it.
I would have the BMW hands down in a 40-50k price bracket.
or even an audi a7 bitdi.
Yes the porsche has a does have a nicer interior than the A7 but id the bmw's interior is near enough on par with the Porsche or maybe JUST below it.
Have you driven a Panamera of any sort? I had a base spec 3.0 diesel as a loaner and absolutely loved it. Great steering, good chassis setup even on steel springs (on air like my Cayenne it would be terrific), and a lovely driving position. The 640 by comparison feels much more detached and generic. I agree the Panny diesel is let down by the engine, but only because the rest of the car is so good that it cries out for a V8 to be really driven. Even so, the Audi-sourced V6 diesel is much more refined than BMW's current x30d and x40d straight six, both of which felt and sounded like spin drier full of rusty washers by comparison.
Pete
Pete
Not bad for a two tonne block.........................
Lovely to drive, lovely to be in.
Just don't drive by shop windows and DON'T look back after you park it. Get the wife/friend to blindfold you and lead you to it. If you have no wife/friend Porsche offer a guide as an optional extra under 'exterior' in the configurator.
Lovely to drive, lovely to be in.
Just don't drive by shop windows and DON'T look back after you park it. Get the wife/friend to blindfold you and lead you to it. If you have no wife/friend Porsche offer a guide as an optional extra under 'exterior' in the configurator.
I have not driven the competition as it's not my sort of car but having a Cayenne Diesel i was impressed with the Panamera courtesy car i had because - surprise surprise - it drove really well in comparison (the Cayenne is good for an SUV, but it is still a lardy SUV).
However, on reflection, i prefer the Cayenne because being sat up gives much greater visibility and is a nicer daily as a result. The boot is also of course bigger. The Cayenne is also the bargain of the Porsche range really; you can get a fully specced up Diesel for the cost of an entry level 911.
Considering the Panamera ain't no 911, i'd rather compromise on the handling front and keep with Cayenne which has the above advantages and will be good in the snow.
However, on reflection, i prefer the Cayenne because being sat up gives much greater visibility and is a nicer daily as a result. The boot is also of course bigger. The Cayenne is also the bargain of the Porsche range really; you can get a fully specced up Diesel for the cost of an entry level 911.
Considering the Panamera ain't no 911, i'd rather compromise on the handling front and keep with Cayenne which has the above advantages and will be good in the snow.
pete said:
Have you driven a Panamera of any sort? I had a base spec 3.0 diesel as a loaner and absolutely loved it. Great steering, good chassis setup even on steel springs (on air like my Cayenne it would be terrific), and a lovely driving position. The 640 by comparison feels much more detached and generic. I agree the Panny diesel is let down by the engine, but only because the rest of the car is so good that it cries out for a V8 to be really driven. Even so, the Audi-sourced V6 diesel is much more refined than BMW's current x30d and x40d straight six, both of which felt and sounded like spin drier full of rusty washers by comparison.
Pete
I think that's quite a far cry away from the truth regarding the 640d. The reviews on the car are excellent and haven driven one I agree. The engine is a 3.0 twin turbo and its utterly excellent. Pete
I have not driven a panamera but I will soon enough but regarding the 640d m sport gran coupe I drove it was excellent in every way.
You need to drive one, don't just look at stupid numbers. 0-60 in my view means nothing, look at the 30-70.
I had a diesel panamera from my OPC as a lon car, and I have to tell you it was awesome to drive. I have a Cayenne at the moment and next time I will consider a Panamera, a great drivers car with loads of comfort.
Don't knock it until you have tried it!
I had a diesel panamera from my OPC as a lon car, and I have to tell you it was awesome to drive. I have a Cayenne at the moment and next time I will consider a Panamera, a great drivers car with loads of comfort.
Don't knock it until you have tried it!
Bennachie said:
Cayenne 'good in snow'..................
ONLY if it is on the right rubber........
otherwise a Peugeot 107 on winters will do it in........
True. I have winters for the Cayenne; a couple of years ago when the snow was really bad it was an excellent steed. I was taxi driver to get people into work!ONLY if it is on the right rubber........
otherwise a Peugeot 107 on winters will do it in........
As I said in my first post, a big argument for a 4x4 is the high seating position and airy cabin. It helps make the drive more relaxing and, for me, that's what a daily is all about.
J
The 640d and current X5 40d I tried were far less refined in terms of the engine than my old 335d, which I absolutely loved. It's very subjective though. The 30d was utterly terrible, but I know that's a different beast.
Be warned about the Panamera if/when you try one: the control weights are far higher than in a BMW - much more 911-like than my Cayenne, which was a surprise. Make sure you get a long enough drive to play with sport mode, and to calibrate your right foot to the throttle weight and long travel. It will definitely feel slow otherwise! I'd also strongly recommend trying the adaptive air suspension. It's a real differentiator over the BMW, even the active setup, and on the Panamera the various modes change both the damping and the effective spring rate together, which obviously isn't possible with steel springs. There's no point paying the premium for the Porsche and then passing on the main option that elevates it over the competition, even though it's pricey.
Lastly, I trust you're looking at the 2014 model with the water cooled turbo and 300bhp? The Panamera I tried had that engine, and it seemed to pull a bit harder and responded better than the older 250bhp motor in my Cayenne.
Pete
IATM said:
I think that's quite a far cry away from the truth regarding the 640d. The reviews on the car are excellent and haven driven one I agree. The engine is a 3.0 twin turbo and its utterly excellent.
We'll have to agree to disagree The 640d and current X5 40d I tried were far less refined in terms of the engine than my old 335d, which I absolutely loved. It's very subjective though. The 30d was utterly terrible, but I know that's a different beast.Be warned about the Panamera if/when you try one: the control weights are far higher than in a BMW - much more 911-like than my Cayenne, which was a surprise. Make sure you get a long enough drive to play with sport mode, and to calibrate your right foot to the throttle weight and long travel. It will definitely feel slow otherwise! I'd also strongly recommend trying the adaptive air suspension. It's a real differentiator over the BMW, even the active setup, and on the Panamera the various modes change both the damping and the effective spring rate together, which obviously isn't possible with steel springs. There's no point paying the premium for the Porsche and then passing on the main option that elevates it over the competition, even though it's pricey.
Lastly, I trust you're looking at the 2014 model with the water cooled turbo and 300bhp? The Panamera I tried had that engine, and it seemed to pull a bit harder and responded better than the older 250bhp motor in my Cayenne.
Pete
Edited by pete on Tuesday 28th October 21:39
pete said:
J The 640d and current X5 40d I tried were far less refined in terms of the engine than my old 335d, which I absolutely loved. It's very subjective though. The 30d was utterly terrible, but I know that's a different beast.
Be warned about the Panamera if/when you try one: the control weights are far higher than in a BMW - much more 911-like than my Cayenne, which was a surprise. Make sure you get a long enough drive to play with sport mode, and to calibrate your right foot to the throttle weight and long travel. It will definitely feel slow otherwise! I'd also strongly recommend trying the adaptive air suspension. It's a real differentiator over the BMW, even the active setup, and on the Panamera the various modes change both the damping and the effective spring rate together, which obviously isn't possible with steel springs. There's no point paying the premium for the Porsche and then passing on the main option that elevates it over the competition, even though it's pricey.
Lastly, I trust you're looking at the 2014 model with the water cooled turbo and 300bhp? The Panamera I tried had that engine, and it seemed to pull a bit harder and responded better than the older 250bhp motor in my Cayenne.
Pete
Hi Pete, IATM said:
I think that's quite a far cry away from the truth regarding the 640d. The reviews on the car are excellent and haven driven one I agree. The engine is a 3.0 twin turbo and its utterly excellent.
We'll have to agree to disagree The 640d and current X5 40d I tried were far less refined in terms of the engine than my old 335d, which I absolutely loved. It's very subjective though. The 30d was utterly terrible, but I know that's a different beast.Be warned about the Panamera if/when you try one: the control weights are far higher than in a BMW - much more 911-like than my Cayenne, which was a surprise. Make sure you get a long enough drive to play with sport mode, and to calibrate your right foot to the throttle weight and long travel. It will definitely feel slow otherwise! I'd also strongly recommend trying the adaptive air suspension. It's a real differentiator over the BMW, even the active setup, and on the Panamera the various modes change both the damping and the effective spring rate together, which obviously isn't possible with steel springs. There's no point paying the premium for the Porsche and then passing on the main option that elevates it over the competition, even though it's pricey.
Lastly, I trust you're looking at the 2014 model with the water cooled turbo and 300bhp? The Panamera I tried had that engine, and it seemed to pull a bit harder and responded better than the older 250bhp motor in my Cayenne.
Pete
Edited by pete on Tuesday 28th October 21:39
I think maybe in here might be our differences of opinion. As you said it looks like the 2014 Panamera does have an update engine with 300 BHP and 0-62 in 6 seconds but still though, not exactly leading the market.
I was really talking of say a 50k budget, where you could get a pick up very slightly used (6 month old-1 year old) cars such as the 640d m sport, A7 S line BiTdi compared to say a 2-3 year old panamera with more miles and by comparison a weak engine.
I am sure its a great car no doubt but just felt disspointed that porsche felt it ok to put such a weak engine in a what should be a prestigious 4 seater GT car.
In which case, I would point you to one of the many fine V8-engined variants :-)
The pricing on the V6 diesel is a bit bonkers, I'll grant you. I can forgive the humdrum engine on my Cayenne because it isn't a car for driving quickly, other than on long motorway cruises. More to the point, the interior quality and build are just as good as the Panamera, but it was over £15k cheaper, and even cheaper than an equivalent spec X5 (I paid less than a new 30d, let alone a new 40d). Whoever said it was the bargain Porsche was right; it's a huge amount of car for the money, just shows how much margin there must be in building 4x4 luxo barges!
Pete
The pricing on the V6 diesel is a bit bonkers, I'll grant you. I can forgive the humdrum engine on my Cayenne because it isn't a car for driving quickly, other than on long motorway cruises. More to the point, the interior quality and build are just as good as the Panamera, but it was over £15k cheaper, and even cheaper than an equivalent spec X5 (I paid less than a new 30d, let alone a new 40d). Whoever said it was the bargain Porsche was right; it's a huge amount of car for the money, just shows how much margin there must be in building 4x4 luxo barges!
Pete
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