996 RS ..... £205k.
Discussion
LaurasOtherHalf said:
A couple of points;
Interest rates are going to stay the same for at least the short term future, the bursting of the bubble won't happen until they rise.
There is absolutely no way of implementing CG tax on used or classic cars so you can still cash out tax free.
They ain't making any more.
The madness will continue. Anyone who has sold one in the last 12 months has noodles for brains-they are only going one way and if you bow out at the right time one of these is going to make your financial year!
Never any harm in taking a BIG profit Ching Ching :-0Interest rates are going to stay the same for at least the short term future, the bursting of the bubble won't happen until they rise.
There is absolutely no way of implementing CG tax on used or classic cars so you can still cash out tax free.
They ain't making any more.
The madness will continue. Anyone who has sold one in the last 12 months has noodles for brains-they are only going one way and if you bow out at the right time one of these is going to make your financial year!
Scooty100 said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
A couple of points;
Interest rates are going to stay the same for at least the short term future, the bursting of the bubble won't happen until they rise.
There is absolutely no way of implementing CG tax on used or classic cars so you can still cash out tax free.
They ain't making any more.
The madness will continue. Anyone who has sold one in the last 12 months has noodles for brains-they are only going one way and if you bow out at the right time one of these is going to make your financial year!
To true, like Warren B used to say, no one ever went bust taking profit.....Interest rates are going to stay the same for at least the short term future, the bursting of the bubble won't happen until they rise.
There is absolutely no way of implementing CG tax on used or classic cars so you can still cash out tax free.
They ain't making any more.
The madness will continue. Anyone who has sold one in the last 12 months has noodles for brains-they are only going one way and if you bow out at the right time one of these is going to make your financial year!
Never any harm in taking a BIG profit Ching Ching :-0
Scooty100 said:
No suggestion its a bad one anywhere. Comes with Ceramics too. They dont risk their reputation for anything
That depends to be fair if their reputation is good or bad ...ive not had much luck with any Indy in 20 years of Porsche ownership..not dealt with Jzm tbh but had a fairly poor conversation with them re a 993 turbo a little while back that was enough to make me not bother to look at it!In a way it's such a shame. The 996RS still remains the best 911 - in terms of an interactive and rewarding driving experience - that i have ever driven. Now it's a collectable, it's just a collectable. Like any of the 996 and 997GT3 range, it will happily plod round any race track all day long at obscenely high speeds, and providing that it is maintained correctly it will just keep doing it.
It is nice to see that it has finally achieved the recognition that it deserved when it was first launched but the reality is that it is only marginally better than the 996 GT3 gens 1 & 2 but values now are such that it is unlikely that many will still be seen trundling around the race tracks of Europe like they once did. What it does do though, is highlight what an absolute relative bargain the other 996 GT3's are by comparison. This is also true of the 997 Gen 1 GT3 which with very little fettling has the potential to be a stunningly good car for half the money of a 997Gen 2 RS and a far better car in my opinion.
If i were in the market for a fantastic driving 911 now, i'd have no hesitation in picking up a Gen 1 or 2 996. Good buys. But the real bargain I think is the vanilla MK1 997 - preferably clubsport. With a decent set of passives and a brake bias correction, that would be one hell of a car..
Come to think of it…..
It is nice to see that it has finally achieved the recognition that it deserved when it was first launched but the reality is that it is only marginally better than the 996 GT3 gens 1 & 2 but values now are such that it is unlikely that many will still be seen trundling around the race tracks of Europe like they once did. What it does do though, is highlight what an absolute relative bargain the other 996 GT3's are by comparison. This is also true of the 997 Gen 1 GT3 which with very little fettling has the potential to be a stunningly good car for half the money of a 997Gen 2 RS and a far better car in my opinion.
If i were in the market for a fantastic driving 911 now, i'd have no hesitation in picking up a Gen 1 or 2 996. Good buys. But the real bargain I think is the vanilla MK1 997 - preferably clubsport. With a decent set of passives and a brake bias correction, that would be one hell of a car..
Come to think of it…..
Steve Rance said:
This is also true of the 997 Gen 1 GT3 which with very little fettling has the potential to be a stunningly good car for half the money of a 997Gen 2 RS and a far better car in my opinion.
If i were in the market for a fantastic driving 911 now, i'd have no hesitation in picking up a Gen 1 or 2 996. Good buys. But the real bargain I think is the vanilla MK1 997 - preferably clubsport. With a decent set of passives and a brake bias correction, that would be one hell of a car..
Quite interested you reckon that the gen 1 997 gt3 is the better car than the gen 2. If I could ask, any particular reasons for that? If i were in the market for a fantastic driving 911 now, i'd have no hesitation in picking up a Gen 1 or 2 996. Good buys. But the real bargain I think is the vanilla MK1 997 - preferably clubsport. With a decent set of passives and a brake bias correction, that would be one hell of a car..
isaldiri said:
Steve Rance said:
This is also true of the 997 Gen 1 GT3 which with very little fettling has the potential to be a stunningly good car for half the money of a 997Gen 2 RS and a far better car in my opinion.
If i were in the market for a fantastic driving 911 now, i'd have no hesitation in picking up a Gen 1 or 2 996. Good buys. But the real bargain I think is the vanilla MK1 997 - preferably clubsport. With a decent set of passives and a brake bias correction, that would be one hell of a car..
Quite interested you reckon that the gen 1 997 gt3 is the better car than the gen 2. If I could ask, any particular reasons for that? If i were in the market for a fantastic driving 911 now, i'd have no hesitation in picking up a Gen 1 or 2 996. Good buys. But the real bargain I think is the vanilla MK1 997 - preferably clubsport. With a decent set of passives and a brake bias correction, that would be one hell of a car..
The Gen 1 has a 3.6 engine- which in terms of longevity, I prefer. It has a chassis that I prefer as it has not been 'optimised' to suit the PASM damping system - the gen 2 has wider track and a stiffer rear roll bar which is an attempt to counter the inherent understeer issues that the PASM systems create. This gives it a 'purer' starting point for a passive set up. It is also a lot cheaper than a Gen 2 (at the moment) so there are economical benefits. finally, it has a normal hub assembly which makes sourcing and changing wheels much more straightforward. I think that the centre lock system was/is a bit of an own goal from Porsche.
I feel that, if the object is to optimise the chassis potential by ridding it of PASM, there is actually very little between the two cars. What I am confident of is that when a Vanilla Gen 1 is properly sorted with correct passive damping, geo and brake bias, it will be a better car than not only the Gen 2 but the Gen 2 RS. I would not even be at all surprised that it wasn't a better car than the 4.0RS
I feel that, if the object is to optimise the chassis potential by ridding it of PASM, there is actually very little between the two cars. What I am confident of is that when a Vanilla Gen 1 is properly sorted with correct passive damping, geo and brake bias, it will be a better car than not only the Gen 2 but the Gen 2 RS. I would not even be at all surprised that it wasn't a better car than the 4.0RS
Steve Rance said:
The Gen 1 has a 3.6 engine- which in terms of longevity, I prefer. It has a chassis that I prefer as it has not been 'optimised' to suit the PASM damping system - the gen 2 has wider track and a stiffer rear roll bar which is an attempt to counter the inherent understeer issues that the PASM systems create. This gives it a 'purer' starting point for a passive set up. It is also a lot cheaper than a Gen 2 (at the moment) so there are economical benefits. finally, it has a normal hub assembly which makes sourcing and changing wheels much more straightforward. I think that the centre lock system was/is a bit of an own goal from Porsche.
I feel that, if the object is to optimise the chassis potential by ridding it of PASM, there is actually very little between the two cars. What I am confident of is that when a Vanilla Gen 1 is properly sorted with correct passive damping, geo and brake bias, it will be a better car than not only the Gen 2 but the Gen 2 RS. I would not even be at all surprised that it wasn't a better car than the 4.0RS
thanks for that. I was looking semi-seriously to getting a gen 2 car and getting parr/fearnsport to refitting it with ohlins, if I could ask one more question - would the gen 2 car on properly sorted passive dampers not be better than the gen1 with the same passives, even if not by as much as standard PASMs? I feel that, if the object is to optimise the chassis potential by ridding it of PASM, there is actually very little between the two cars. What I am confident of is that when a Vanilla Gen 1 is properly sorted with correct passive damping, geo and brake bias, it will be a better car than not only the Gen 2 but the Gen 2 RS. I would not even be at all surprised that it wasn't a better car than the 4.0RS
If the end result would be very similar then the lack of centrelocks in particular (and the not inconsiderable issue of the difference in price!) makes the gen1 car very tempting indeed.
isaldiri said:
thanks for that. I was looking semi-seriously to getting a gen 2 car and getting parr/fearnsport to refitting it with ohlins, if I could ask one more question - would the gen 2 car on properly sorted passive dampers not be better than the gen1 with the same passives, even if not by as much as standard PASMs?
If the end result would be very similar then the lack of centrelocks in particular (and the not inconsiderable issue of the difference in price!) makes the gen1 car very tempting indeed.
I haven't driven a gen 2 on passives but I doubt that the difference would be that marked - although I cannot be entirely objective. For me, there was a reason that the motorsport department were loath to use a 3.8 version of the engine for a long time and the reasons are well recorded. It is the 3.6 engine with the vast majority of tested track miles under it's belt. That unit is tried and tested and thats good enough for me. Please do not mis-interpret my view. I have no solid reason to suspect that the 3.8 engine would be anything other than reliable. The extra torque would be useful but mainly on the road. On the track there would be little in it. Like all Gt3 development, the difference between the Gen 1 and Gen 2 997 was incremental but since the differences are mainly to do with getting the PASM system to work properly, they are somewhat pointless for the exercise of creating a passive 997. If the end result would be very similar then the lack of centrelocks in particular (and the not inconsiderable issue of the difference in price!) makes the gen1 car very tempting indeed.
I think that a Gen 1 could be transformed into a stunning road/track car for less money than the cost of fitting an unpronounceable exhaust system
hunter 66 said:
Steve , does it not age you ......... remember when you were young collecting your new 96RS all all the excitement .......... now like yourself just a collectable..
Peter
Ha ha! Peter! How are you Old Thing?Peter
Not sure how anyone with my card in a game of top trumps might do Old Chap!
Usual things ..... looking at 24Hr ...... enjoying Porsches , but nice to see when certain fine things are appreciated more . I well remember when 64 RS was hated and slagged off constantly .... no one wanted them, so we just drove them harder ..... now probably part of an investment portfolio ...
Hope all well
Hope all well
isaldiri said:
Steve Rance said:
The Gen 1 has a 3.6 engine- which in terms of longevity, I prefer. It has a chassis that I prefer as it has not been 'optimised' to suit the PASM damping system - the gen 2 has wider track and a stiffer rear roll bar which is an attempt to counter the inherent understeer issues that the PASM systems create. This gives it a 'purer' starting point for a passive set up. It is also a lot cheaper than a Gen 2 (at the moment) so there are economical benefits. finally, it has a normal hub assembly which makes sourcing and changing wheels much more straightforward. I think that the centre lock system was/is a bit of an own goal from Porsche.
I feel that, if the object is to optimise the chassis potential by ridding it of PASM, there is actually very little between the two cars. What I am confident of is that when a Vanilla Gen 1 is properly sorted with correct passive damping, geo and brake bias, it will be a better car than not only the Gen 2 but the Gen 2 RS. I would not even be at all surprised that it wasn't a better car than the 4.0RS
thanks for that. I was looking semi-seriously to getting a gen 2 car and getting parr/fearnsport to refitting it with ohlins, if I could ask one more question - would the gen 2 car on properly sorted passive dampers not be better than the gen1 with the same passives, even if not by as much as standard PASMs? I feel that, if the object is to optimise the chassis potential by ridding it of PASM, there is actually very little between the two cars. What I am confident of is that when a Vanilla Gen 1 is properly sorted with correct passive damping, geo and brake bias, it will be a better car than not only the Gen 2 but the Gen 2 RS. I would not even be at all surprised that it wasn't a better car than the 4.0RS
If the end result would be very similar then the lack of centrelocks in particular (and the not inconsiderable issue of the difference in price!) makes the gen1 car very tempting indeed.
I bought a Gen 1 997 GT3 in Slate grey nearly three years ago. Nicely specced with the CGT seats(I came to hate them) Xenons, PCCBs and no Sport Chrono . My plan was to have the Sharkwerks 3.9 litre conversion and fit ExeTC passive dampers to it, along with upgrading various suspension links with Motorsport parts.
Having driven the car on the road a few times, it became clear that upgrading the power by 80hp and fitting passive dampers would merely have been gilding the lily for road use.
Don't get me wrong, it would've made an incredible (not to mention, steathy) road car, that I suspect would've had the measure of any standard 997 GT3/RS, including the hallowed 4.0. But having to drive such a capable car at 110 + mph to make it feel "alive" on the road, it didn't seem pertinent to proceed with the planned upgrades.......
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