Harris puts 991 GT3 against 458 Speciale

[mrdemon]

throt said:

Not so sure on that. The Speciale was only .3 faster around the circuit than the GT3.

Wait till it's dry and you can use the 458 torque to the max.

That test the GT3 could use more of its power more of the time.
And while very impressive, the 458 just pulls away on any straight bit.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Will there be a final swan song for the 458 though? The speciale isn't a limited run model like the CS/Scud etc before it, will ferrari be tempted to make a final edition?

[Alpinestars]

mrdemon said:

Wait till it's dry and you can use the 458 torque to the max.

That test the GT3 could use more of its power more of the time.
And while very impressive, the 458 just pulls away on any straight bit.

Not many lap times around yet, but the Spec is not much quicker on any of them. Which suggests the RS will be quicker than a Speciale, unless it's one of those "prepared ones"

[jackal]

Slickhillsy said:

V8KSN said:

I don't understand why they are comparing the two, the Speciale should be compared against the 991 GT3 RS (when it comes out)

I bet the Speciale has the measure of the RS as well!

Emotional based post IMO

[Slickhillsy]

jackal said:

Slickhillsy said:

V8KSN said:

I don't understand why they are comparing the two, the Speciale should be compared against the 991 GT3 RS (when it comes out)

I bet the Speciale has the measure of the RS as well!

Emotional based post IMO

Of course it it... But don't underestimate how good the standard GT3 is, however bar a displacement change I just don't see how an RS can be 'significantly' better...

As mentioned elsewhere, let's get these bad boys back on track on a dry warmer day and the gap I'm afraid will only get bigger...

[Slickhillsy]

jackal said:

Is the RS its truest AB equivalent ?

Personally ive always seen the CS/SCUD as being GT3 rivals. Ferrari just don't make anything as hardcore as an RS (esp on the spring rates front).

And if the rumour mill is to be believed, this forthcoming RS is set to be the most balls out of them all, greatly distanced from the vanilla car. My hunch is it will very comfortably trump the S and have even more hyperbole lavished upon it.

If you think about the Ethos of these cars (lighter more focused version of the standard car) then yes the CS / Scud / Spec + RS are direct compeditors...

As for ferrari not making hardcore cars - I would say they invented the concept! Just check their back catalogue (to numerous to mention)... Annnnnd... You'll never see cruise control or cup holders in their racers! LOL

http://www.maxted-page.com/cars/car-details.aspx?i...

[Sandy59]

Slickhillsy said:

jackal said:

Slickhillsy said:

V8KSN said:

I don't understand why they are comparing the two, the Speciale should be compared against the 991 GT3 RS (when it comes out)

I bet the Speciale has the measure of the RS as well!

Emotional based post IMO

Of course it it... But don't underestimate how good the standard GT3 is, however bar a displacement change I just don't see how an RS can be 'significantly' better...

As mentioned elsewhere, let's get these bad boys back on track on a dry warmer day and the gap I'm afraid will only get bigger...

RS is due to be 4.0 litre, so should have a decent power hike.

[Slickhillsy]

Sandy59 said:

Slickhillsy said:

jackal said:

Slickhillsy said:

V8KSN said:

I don't understand why they are comparing the two, the Speciale should be compared against the 991 GT3 RS (when it comes out)

I bet the Speciale has the measure of the RS as well!

Emotional based post IMO

Of course it it... But don't underestimate how good the standard GT3 is, however bar a displacement change I just don't see how an RS can be 'significantly' better...

As mentioned elsewhere, let's get these bad boys back on track on a dry warmer day and the gap I'm afraid will only get bigger...

RS is due to be 4.0 litre, so should have a decent power hike.

Has that been confirmed, didn't think any specs had been released?

[Alpinestars]

Slickhillsy said:

Of course it it... But don't underestimate how good the standard GT3 is, however bar a displacement change I just don't see how an RS can be 'significantly' better...

As mentioned elsewhere, let's get these bad boys back on track on a dry warmer day and the gap I'm afraid will only get bigger...

I'm still not convinced with your assertion. The GT3 seemed to be facing wetter conditions than the Speciale, and the difference in lap times was what 0.3 secs? Around 1.2 seconds at a dry Castle Combe and 0.2 secs at Sachsenring.

Tenner says the RS will be quicker than the Speciale?

[Sandy59]

Slickhillsy said:

Has that been confirmed, didn't think any specs had been released?

You're correct, no offical specs have been released as far as I know.

Numerous claims of insider info on Renlist all point to a 4.0, which alone would not normally convince me.
However if say a VIP customer recently over at the factory enquired about the RS, and the only info offered to him was it would be a 4.0, then I'd be inclined to be much more convinced.
If it wasn't true surely he'd just have been told 3.8, 'not decided yet' or something ??

But I guess we'll just have to wait and see to actually be sure.

[Slickhillsy]

Alpinestars said:

Slickhillsy said:

Of course it it... But don't underestimate how good the standard GT3 is, however bar a displacement change I just don't see how an RS can be 'significantly' better...

As mentioned elsewhere, let's get these bad boys back on track on a dry warmer day and the gap I'm afraid will only get bigger...

I'm still not convinced with your assertion. The GT3 seemed to be facing wetter conditions than the Speciale, and the difference in lap times was what 0.3 secs? Around 1.2 seconds at a dry Castle Combe and 0.2 secs at Sachsenring.

Tenner says the RS will be quicker than the Speciale?

1.2 sec is still a fair amount of time. Let's add some more context...

http://youtu.be/IiyyO7vrdiI

The 918is just 2 seconds quicker than the Spec and how much horsepower does that have???

I like your wager sir lets go all in and make it a nifty fifty!

[Slickhillsy]

This is an amusing thread... Same topic was raised on the dark (red) side an in about 5 posts the message was "job done" / "gotta get me one of them"

Where as in the white corner it's all "just you wait till my big bro come out to play - he'll get my pocket money back"

Re the 4.0 - I really hope it is as that will be a truely brilliant car, standard car already is... The RS variants are something very special...

[Alpinestars]

Slickhillsy said:

1.2 sec is still a fair amount of time. Let's add some more context...

http://youtu.be/IiyyO7vrdiI

The 918is just 2 seconds quicker than the Spec and how much horsepower does that have???

I like your wager sir lets go all in and make it a nifty fifty!

Deal. You might want to compare the 4rs times against the 3.8gt3 for further context.

And for me it's not about Porsche vs Ferrari. I don't really give a hoot which is quickest, but on the basis of what's been published so far, the 991 is not that much slower than the Speciale. And having driven a Speciale, it's hard not to conclude that either the car I had was hugely underpowered or the cars they give to journos are hugely over prepared.

Edited by Alpinestars on Sunday 30th November 11:33

[Slickhillsy]

Alpinestars said:

Slickhillsy said:

1.2 sec is still a fair amount of time. Let's add some more context...

http://youtu.be/IiyyO7vrdiI

The 918is just 2 seconds quicker than the Spec and how much horsepower does that have???

I like your wager sir lets go all in and make it a nifty fifty!

Deal. You might want to compare the 4rs times against the 3.8gt3 for further context.

991 gt3 is quicker than the .7 4.0 so happy to go for the royal flush!

[monthefish]

BMCG said:

mrdemon said:

I agree as it looks slow other wise lol

Not sure what the RS can bring to the party though, the GT3 is about RS spec now after the recalls

so you gain a hugh rear wing.... and what else ?

what ..the GT3 now has a 4.0 liter engine?

sometimes the signal to noise here.....

Can you explain your post?

[Slickhillsy]

monthefish said:

BMCG said:

mrdemon said:

I agree as it looks slow other wise lol

Not sure what the RS can bring to the party though, the GT3 is about RS spec now after the recalls

so you gain a hugh rear wing.... and what else ?

what ..the GT3 now has a 4.0 liter engine?

sometimes the signal to noise here.....

Can you explain your post?

U-ohhhhhhhhh teachers not happy...!

[neil-f]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Will there be a final swan song for the 458 though? The speciale isn't a limited run model like the CS/Scud etc before it, will ferrari be tempted to make a final edition?

458 Speciale & 458 SpecialeA are the swan song! Numbers made in RHD will be about the same as Scud once they are all built, order book is closed. SpecialeA is only 499 like 16M.
458 turbo out at Geneva 2015

[Carl_Docklands]

The only Porsche which will beat the speciale and aperta on all counts (apart from cost) is the 918. Porsche need that mid engined flat 8 car to get near ferrari again in terms of desirability.

The RS will be great value for money but comparing the car to the 458 s will not be a fair fight as the 458s is a much more desirable car. Lap times don't quantify the canyon like gap ferrari have opened.

[BMCG]

monthefish said:

BMCG said:

mrdemon said:

I agree as it looks slow other wise lol

Not sure what the RS can bring to the party though, the GT3 is about RS spec now after the recalls

so you gain a hugh rear wing.... and what else ?

what ..the GT3 now has a 4.0 liter engine?

sometimes the signal to noise here.....

Can you explain your post?

no problem, appreciate could have been clearer, here goes:

"what ..the GT3 now has a 4.0 liter engine?"...

should have been:

What are you taking about? the GT3 RS is rumoured to have a 4.0 liter engine....and rather clearly the 991 GT3 does not..

so the differences between RS and Base GT3 in 991 guise are likely to be more than just a "hugh(sic) rear wing"....

the "sometimes the signal to noise here" remark refers to certain posts that seem to add more noise or distortion than useful information (that is signal)

hope that is clearer.

[BMCG]

Carl_Docklands said:

The only Porsche which will beat the speciale and aperta on all counts (apart from cost) is the 918. Porsche need that mid engined flat 8 car to get near ferrari again in terms of desirability.

The RS will be great value for money but comparing the car to the 458 s will not be a fair fight as the 458s is a much more desirable car. Lap times don't quantify the canyon like gap ferrari have opened.

ahh yes that so easy to quantify characteristic called "desirability"...I don't see the 458SP or A as more desirable ...so guess that's one datapoint to the contrary...