Harris puts 991 GT3 against 458 Speciale

Harris puts 991 GT3 against 458 Speciale

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Trev450

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Thursday 27th November 2014
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sidicks

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Thursday 27th November 2014
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Trev450 said:
Thanks - this is already in the 991 GT3 thread, but your post will be useful for those that avoid that particular thread!

V8KSN

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Thursday 27th November 2014
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I don't understand why they are comparing the two, the Speciale should be compared against the 991 GT3 RS (when it comes out)

mrdemon

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Thursday 27th November 2014
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I agree as it looks slow other wise lol

Not sure what the RS can bring to the party though, the GT3 is about RS spec now after the recalls

so you gain a hugh rear wing.... and what else ?

Trev450

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Thursday 27th November 2014
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sidicks said:
Trev450 said:
Thanks - this is already in the 991 GT3 thread, but your post will be useful for those that avoid that particular thread!
That's why I missed it then! laugh

sidicks

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Thursday 27th November 2014
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mrdemon said:
I agree as it looks slow other wise lol

Not sure what the RS can bring to the party though, the GT3 is about RS spec now after the recalls

so you gain a hugh rear wing.... and what else ?
Lighter weight ?
Wider bodyshell?
More power?
Mire extreme suspension set-up?

BMCG

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Thursday 27th November 2014
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mrdemon said:
I agree as it looks slow other wise lol

Not sure what the RS can bring to the party though, the GT3 is about RS spec now after the recalls

so you gain a hugh rear wing.... and what else ?
what ..the GT3 now has a 4.0 liter engine?

sometimes the signal to noise here.....

V8KSN

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Thursday 27th November 2014
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mrdemon said:
I agree as it looks slow other wise lol

Not sure what the RS can bring to the party though, the GT3 is about RS spec now after the recalls

so you gain a hugh rear wing.... and what else ?
I imagine the 991 GT3 RS is will be a different animal to the regular 991 GT3

Lighter
Faster
More focused
More power
Maybe a bigger engine
Maybe less electronics

There is huge scope for improvement/change


Sandy59

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Thursday 27th November 2014
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V8KSN said:
I imagine the 991 GT3 RS is will be a different animal to the regular 991 GT3

Lighter
Faster
More focused
More power
Maybe a bigger engine
Maybe less electronics

There is huge scope for improvement/change
4.0 litre yes for starters

isaldiri

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Thursday 27th November 2014
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V8KSN said:
I imagine the 991 GT3 RS is will be a different animal to the regular 991 GT3

Lighter
Faster
More focused
More power
Maybe a bigger engine
More Maybe less electronics
Edited for you


kbooker

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Thursday 27th November 2014
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V8KSN said:
I don't understand why they are comparing the two, the Speciale should be compared against the 991 GT3 RS (when it comes out)
Really! I thought it was pretty obvious...

rosino

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Thursday 27th November 2014
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anonymous said:
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Needless to remind that one is less than half the price of the other. Excluding the "mandatory" optional upgrades that Ferrari will impose if you actually want to receive a car.

V8KSN

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Thursday 27th November 2014
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rosino said:
Needless to remind that one is less than half the price of the other. Excluding the "mandatory" optional upgrades that Ferrari will impose if you actually want to receive a car.
I read about that on Jalopnik, its ridiculous isn't it? Ferrari know how to squeeze their customers.

mrdemon

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Thursday 27th November 2014
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V8KSN said:
I read about that on Jalopnik, its ridiculous isn't it? Ferrari know how to squeeze their customers.
what when quite a few on here are specing £75k Caymans from 55K base price !

yes you can pay £5k for a bit of Ferrari Carbon and 70k options I grant you, but a Cayman is not a cheap car any more when you add up what you want.

and most Gt3's had 20k and still no buckets 25k for a nice spec on top of the 100k

DS240

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Thursday 27th November 2014
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V8KSN said:
I don't understand why they are comparing the two, the Speciale should be compared against the 991 GT3 RS (when it comes out)
I'm sure they will when it comes out, but for now it's still an interesting comparison.

The Ferrari is amazing, but even if I had the £250k completely spare, it would be a tough call not to buy the porsche and use the money left over on something else.

I suppose whilst one is considered very good the other one is considered 'special' (no pun intended). One makes people go 'very nice', the other 'wow'.

sidicks

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Thursday 27th November 2014
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mrdemon said:
what when quite a few on here are specing £75k Caymans from 55K base price !

yes you can pay £5k for a bit of Ferrari Carbon and 70k options I grant you, but a Cayman is not a cheap car any more when you add up what you want.

and most Gt3's had 20k and still no buckets 25k for a nice spec on top of the 100k
£25k of options means you tick nearly every box!

Carl_Docklands

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Thursday 27th November 2014
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sidicks said:
mrdemon said:
what when quite a few on here are specing £75k Caymans from 55K base price !

yes you can pay £5k for a bit of Ferrari Carbon and 70k options I grant you, but a Cayman is not a cheap car any more when you add up what you want.

and most Gt3's had 20k and still no buckets 25k for a nice spec on top of the 100k
£25k of options means you tick nearly every box!
Yes, even PDK wink

What price do you put on vanity? In this case the answer is £140k.

The Speciale is the first Ferrari I have really wanted to own and could see myself driving one. Pah.

Really want to see what the new Corvette can do on the same track against these two.

Edited by Carl_Docklands on Thursday 27th November 21:47

ORD

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Friday 28th November 2014
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Carl_Docklands said:
sidicks said:
mrdemon said:
what when quite a few on here are specing £75k Caymans from 55K base price !

yes you can pay £5k for a bit of Ferrari Carbon and 70k options I grant you, but a Cayman is not a cheap car any more when you add up what you want.

and most Gt3's had 20k and still no buckets 25k for a nice spec on top of the 100k
£25k of options means you tick nearly every box!
Yes, even PDK wink

What price do you put on vanity? In this case the answer is £140k.

The Speciale is the first Ferrari I have really wanted to own and could see myself driving one. Pah.

Really want to see what the new Corvette can do on the same track against these two.

Edited by Carl_Docklands on Thursday 27th November 21:47
Agreed re the Ferrari. It is the first one that makes me smile since the cars of my childhood. It looks absolutely murderously cool in black or dark grey, too, although I expect I wouldn't be able see past the yellow one in the flesh. The engine is gorgeous on paper, but the sound of it is pretty disappointing - I agree with CH on that; the GT3 just sounds so much more interesting and musical.

If I had the money, I think I would test drive both, love both and go for the GT3.

jackal

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Friday 28th November 2014
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Love the idea of the Speciale and financially it would be a fairly easy purchase to make if you have the budget. I think the F12 gives me bigger wood though.

I would imagine though that even on the big roads of Austria, both would frustrate as you'd never a achieve that 'wringing out' feeling, the sense of extracting the maximum from both car and driver. That for me is the essence of driving enjoyment rather than any eyewatering acceleration stats.

As a pure trackday car the rules change of course as you never quite seem to have enough power on track but then can the S actually make it onto any UK circuits, noisy days or otherwise ?

Trev450

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Friday 28th November 2014
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jackal said:
As a pure trackday car the rules change of course as you never quite seem to have enough power on track but then can the S actually make it onto any UK circuits, noisy days or otherwise ?
I think he mentions towards the end of the video that it is too noisy to take on track. That being the case, one does wonder what the benefits of ownership of a car like this really is. You clearly can't, to use your phrase, 'wring its neck' on the roads, and if you can't take it on track what does that leave? I guess there are a few European circuits you could take it to, but that can get pricey in terms of time and cost.