997 Turbo upgrade to 9e 28 by Nine Excellence (pic heavy)
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mudy said:
Great write up - almost makes me want to go the same route; buy a 997 turbo and head straight to 9e, they sound fantastic
Its a v.good package but I think their best daily driver package is 9e 25. Think its a lot more money but when Porsche were originally refusing to give me a new engine when my old one blew up I was all set to go for a 9e 25 with circa 700- 800bhp. If you can find a 997.1 turbo or 996 turbo for pennies with a blown engine or very high miles then I'd go for a 9e 25 as a dd. Superb cars.
IMIA said:
mudy said:
Great write up - almost makes me want to go the same route; buy a 997 turbo and head straight to 9e, they sound fantastic
Its a v.good package but I think their best daily driver package is 9e 25. Think its a lot more money but when Porsche were originally refusing to give me a new engine when my old one blew up I was all set to go for a 9e 25 with circa 700- 800bhp. If you can find a 997.1 turbo or 996 turbo for pennies with a blown engine or very high miles then I'd go for a 9e 25 as a dd. Superb cars.
RWD cossie wil said:
IMIA said:
mudy said:
Great write up - almost makes me want to go the same route; buy a 997 turbo and head straight to 9e, they sound fantastic
Its a v.good package but I think their best daily driver package is 9e 25. Think its a lot more money but when Porsche were originally refusing to give me a new engine when my old one blew up I was all set to go for a 9e 25 with circa 700- 800bhp. If you can find a 997.1 turbo or 996 turbo for pennies with a blown engine or very high miles then I'd go for a 9e 25 as a dd. Superb cars.
IMIA said:
RWD cossie wil said:
IMIA said:
mudy said:
Great write up - almost makes me want to go the same route; buy a 997 turbo and head straight to 9e, they sound fantastic
Its a v.good package but I think their best daily driver package is 9e 25. Think its a lot more money but when Porsche were originally refusing to give me a new engine when my old one blew up I was all set to go for a 9e 25 with circa 700- 800bhp. If you can find a 997.1 turbo or 996 turbo for pennies with a blown engine or very high miles then I'd go for a 9e 25 as a dd. Superb cars.
IMIA said:
Cheers guys thought I'd cover a couple of thousand miles in it before posting my thoughts. Just passed 70,000 miles and hope to do another at least another 200,000 miles in it. Absolutely brilliant sleeper as the car still looks virtually stock. I've had a bit of fun with a Huracan and GTR recently and to say they we're shocked is the understatement of the year
Still looks good to me after being my daily snotter for 8 years and I have no qualms about piling on the miles. It has stone chips all over it and I can leave it anywhere without fear of any unwanted attention.
Love the wheels... car looks great !Still looks good to me after being my daily snotter for 8 years and I have no qualms about piling on the miles. It has stone chips all over it and I can leave it anywhere without fear of any unwanted attention.
Huracan has been timed to 300kmh at 27.6s..... when you can take a second out of a GT2RS whilst weighing a couple hundred kgs more you have some perspective about how quick a car it is !
All that said, I'm surprised you didn't love the 991turboS if you were looking for the ultimate daily - best car I've driven without doubt & prefer it to the Huracan (whose most amazing characteristic I think is its chassis, as its gearbox/4wd system is at least on a par with the 991).
IMIA said:
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Has anyone tried the surface transforms ceramics? ^^^^
If PCCB's will last 160k miles worth of road use (and they can), the ST discs will do 250k miles. Maybe not as light as the OE PCCB's , but only a bit heavier (and waaaay lighter than any steel discs
Edited by Slippydiff on Saturday 31st January 23:54
ZeroH said:
IMIA said:
Cheers guys thought I'd cover a couple of thousand miles in it before posting my thoughts. Just passed 70,000 miles and hope to do another at least another 200,000 miles in it. Absolutely brilliant sleeper as the car still looks virtually stock. I've had a bit of fun with a Huracan and GTR recently and to say they we're shocked is the understatement of the year
Still looks good to me after being my daily snotter for 8 years and I have no qualms about piling on the miles. It has stone chips all over it and I can leave it anywhere without fear of any unwanted attention.
Love the wheels... car looks great !Still looks good to me after being my daily snotter for 8 years and I have no qualms about piling on the miles. It has stone chips all over it and I can leave it anywhere without fear of any unwanted attention.
Huracan has been timed to 300kmh at 27.6s..... when you can take a second out of a GT2RS whilst weighing a couple hundred kgs more you have some perspective about how quick a car it is !
All that said, I'm surprised you didn't love the 991turboS if you were looking for the ultimate daily - best car I've driven without doubt & prefer it to the Huracan (whose most amazing characteristic I think is its chassis, as its gearbox/4wd system is at least on a par with the 991).
I love the 991 turbo S and H too but far too much modern tech and the cars virtually drive themselves with auto boxes. You get bored after a few days (well I did) as there's virtually zero driver input required. You do tend to look out of the window at bewilderment how quick the 991 turbo S is across country but inside the car you feel as though you're doing 50 mph instead of 150 mph in complete comfort and a latte in one hand to boot!
In the 9e 28 when cold you have to avoid 1st to 2nd for 5-10 mins or so, not hit the loud pedal in the wet and even when its bone dry wait until the tyres are warmed up. You also have to straighten the 9e 28 out properly before getting on the power like a fast bike or the tail wags. The LWFW chunters away, the sports exhaust whistles and barks as you potter down the road, and the whole package literally makes the 997 turbo come alive. Honestly very happy with her indeed.
Have a look in the youtube vid in my original post what the 9e 28 did to a 991 turbo S and other cars like 991 GT3, LP 560, GT40 lol at VMAX quicksilver. The 9e 28 also registers a GPS verified 201.5 mph at the same event and conventional wisdom says in the absence of tailwinds its very difficult to break 200mph at Brunters without a real 720bhp. 9e 28 also probably has circa 600 + lb-ft torque which gives it a noticeable advantage over the new turbo and the H mid range.
Some other tuners have a swipe at 9e for underquoting hp figures but Ken insist unlike other VTG tuners packages his is the only package that gets faster and faster all the way to VMAX and holds its power without pulling timing like other tuner's VTG packages.
Even if the 9e 28 was slower than the newer cars its so much more tactile. As another poster hinted at its very difficult to use the extra power on road without being anti social as other cars simply do not expect you to be able to warp past them at the rate this thing flys at with its snails lit up. I'd love it if a journo would independently test a 9e 28 back to back with a H and 991 turbo S. I suspect Ken at 9e would be selling a lot of 9e 28 packages after that test!
Edited by IMIA on Sunday 1st February 10:32
Slippydiff said:
IMIA said:
http://shop.jzmporsche.com/porsche-carbon-ceramic-...
Has anyone tried the surface transforms ceramics? ^^^^
If PCCB's will last 160k miles worth of road use (and they can), the ST discs will do 250k miles. Maybe not as light as the OE PCCB's , but only a bit heavier (and waaaay lighter than any steel discs
Edited by Slippydiff on Saturday 31st January 23:54
IMIA said:
Hi Zero
I love the 991 turbo S and H too but far too much modern tech and the cars virtually drive themselves with auto boxes. You get bored after a few days (well I did) as there's virtually zero driver input required. You do tend to look out of the window at bewilderment how quick the 991 turbo S is across country but inside the car you feel as though you're doing 50 mph instead of 150 mph in complete comfort and a latte in one hand to boot!
In the 9e 28 when cold you have to avoid 1st to 2nd for 5-10 mins or so, not hit the loud pedal in the wet and even when its bone dry wait until the tyres are warmed up. You also have to straighten the 9e 28 out properly before getting on the power like a fast bike or the tail wags. The LWFW chunters away, the sports exhaust whistles and barks as you potter down the road, and the whole package literally makes the 997 turbo come alive. Honestly very happy with her indeed.
Have a look in the youtube vid in my original post what the 9e 28 did to a 991 turbo S and other cars like 991 GT3, LP 560, GT40 lol at VMAX quicksilver. The 9e 28 also registers a GPS verified 201.5 mph at the same event and conventional wisdom says in the absence of tailwinds its very difficult to break 200mph at Brunters without a real 720bhp. 9e 28 also probably has circa 600 + lb-ft torque which gives it a noticeable advantage over the new turbo and the H mid range.
Some other tuners have a swipe at 9e for underquoting hp figures but Ken insist unlike other VTG tuners packages his is the only package that gets faster and faster all the way to VMAX and holds its power without pulling timing like other tuner's VTG packages.
Even if the 9e 28 was slower than the newer cars its so much more tactile. As another poster hinted at its very difficult to use the extra power on road without being anti social as other cars simply do not expect you to be able to warp past them at the rate this thing flys at with its snails lit up. I'd love it if a journo would independently test a 9e 28 back to back with a H and 991 turbo S. I suspect Ken at 9e would be selling a lot of 9e 28 packages after that test!
Totally understand mate and the challenge of driving a manual 911 that requires thought before throttle application (which a 991tts really doesn't thanks to its phenomenal drive-train) is exactly why my 996 is a keeper.I love the 991 turbo S and H too but far too much modern tech and the cars virtually drive themselves with auto boxes. You get bored after a few days (well I did) as there's virtually zero driver input required. You do tend to look out of the window at bewilderment how quick the 991 turbo S is across country but inside the car you feel as though you're doing 50 mph instead of 150 mph in complete comfort and a latte in one hand to boot!
In the 9e 28 when cold you have to avoid 1st to 2nd for 5-10 mins or so, not hit the loud pedal in the wet and even when its bone dry wait until the tyres are warmed up. You also have to straighten the 9e 28 out properly before getting on the power like a fast bike or the tail wags. The LWFW chunters away, the sports exhaust whistles and barks as you potter down the road, and the whole package literally makes the 997 turbo come alive. Honestly very happy with her indeed.
Have a look in the youtube vid in my original post what the 9e 28 did to a 991 turbo S and other cars like 991 GT3, LP 560, GT40 lol at VMAX quicksilver. The 9e 28 also registers a GPS verified 201.5 mph at the same event and conventional wisdom says in the absence of tailwinds its very difficult to break 200mph at Brunters without a real 720bhp. 9e 28 also probably has circa 600 + lb-ft torque which gives it a noticeable advantage over the new turbo and the H mid range.
Some other tuners have a swipe at 9e for underquoting hp figures but Ken insist unlike other VTG tuners packages his is the only package that gets faster and faster all the way to VMAX and holds its power without pulling timing like other tuner's VTG packages.
Even if the 9e 28 was slower than the newer cars its so much more tactile. As another poster hinted at its very difficult to use the extra power on road without being anti social as other cars simply do not expect you to be able to warp past them at the rate this thing flys at with its snails lit up. I'd love it if a journo would independently test a 9e 28 back to back with a H and 991 turbo S. I suspect Ken at 9e would be selling a lot of 9e 28 packages after that test!
Edited by IMIA on Sunday 1st February 10:32
You should definitely contact a mag like GT Purely Porsche (who also have a backlog of published vbox data for 911's) - am sure they would be interested in a comparison v 991tts - indeed these kind of articles are the most fascinating for me.... like the recent Evo video track timing a privately owned 996GT3 against a new Cayman GTS... these kind of used v new comparisons are exactly what enthusiasts often consider when deciding how to part with their hard-earned.
Good idea may well do that! It would make an interesting read to see it independently vboxed.
Vid and results from VMAX 200 by EVO mag. 9e do rather well and the 9e 28 comes 7th overall against some pretty rapid cars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF2x3svjPjk
Vid and results from VMAX 200 by EVO mag. 9e do rather well and the 9e 28 comes 7th overall against some pretty rapid cars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF2x3svjPjk
TB993tt said:
IMIA said:
On the fixed vane point I'm just repeating what Lawrence at Parr told me who are RS Tunings agents here in the UK. May be have chat with Lawrence at Parr or Mr Schmirler himself?!
I did and the vanes are not fixed.IMIA said:
Mr RS should defo have a word with his UK agent Parr Motorsport. Lawrence at Parrs own words were, "RS tuning modify your OEM turbos and fix vanes in fully open position. Result is not as wide power band but when you're in the zone above 3-4000 rpm they really come into their own and the car is more urgent." Their demo car was a peach but God knows what he was talking about re fixing the variable vanes as he sounded pretty convincing - maybe Mr RS does not want to give his trade secrets away or may be they reprogramme the vanes to stay open for more time? Who knows? Ken Napier will not tell me how they've managed to find a solution to their VTGS pulling timing lol (a problem they struggled with for 6-7 years with VTGS which initially put me off tuning my VTGS) so these guys do all keep trade R&D secrets to themselves! As I mentioned earlier in this thread I was all set to go with Parr but the allure of the GT2 turbos was too hard to resist. 9e were also a bit more flexible. By way of example RS Tuning did not want me to use a Europipe 100 cel stage 2 exhaust with their package as they'd not tested it (totally understandable but I felt I was getting an inferior exhaust with their Cargraphic 200 cel exhaust which was all that was on offer with their 997.1 stage 4 kit). Something may have got lost in the translation on both the VTG turbos and exhaust as later after I'd sent the car to 9e instead Parr did say they would have worked something out on the Europipe exhaust. Hopefully see you and your beasty at VMAX on 7th March?
I've been trying to hint to you in previous posts that much of what "tuners" tell you should be taken with a pinch of salt, for many years snake oil has been well and truly force fed into us poor punters.Firstly Parr Motorsport are NOT and never have been an "agent" for RS Tuning. Parr's relationship was with Cargraphic. The Cargraphic car whose pic is on their website had two versions of engine tune both with working VTGs. The original tune was 624PS/826NM standard internals but Secan intercoolers to allow the high power reliably (in terms of maintaining the power through IAT control). The second rebuild had different pistons and Carillos and was around 680PS/900NM, this was the engine which propelled that 1519kg car (in the pic) from 0-200 in 9.1s and 0-300 in 23.8s (in the Sport Auto test). RS Tuning have not built any other engines for CG since then in fact I understand they don't speak much now.
So you thinking that you may have been "considering" an RS Tuning build is wide of the mark, like I said many "tuners" feed you "stuff". You say above that RS Tuning wanted you to use the CG 200 cell exhaust ? I can tell you that RS do not use 200 cell cats, they only use 100 cell Motorsport (expensive) HJS cats. My guess is that if you had gone with Parr you would have got a kit put together by CG with a program from either Parr or CG's new program supplier, sure they all like to say it is from RS but whilst it may be similar and I'm sure CG know a lot of RS's suppliers it ain't the same as RS want premium prices for their proprietary components.
Lastly Ken did not struggle with VTGs pulling timing for 6-7 years because I don't think Ken even owned a Porsche 7 years ago and 9E didn't exist until 4 years ago
IMIA said:
http://shop.jzmporsche.com/porsche-carbon-ceramic-...
Has anyone tried the surface transforms ceramics? ^^^^
Dave Sums said:
IMIA said:
http://shop.jzmporsche.com/porsche-carbon-ceramic-...
Has anyone tried the surface transforms ceramics? ^^^^
As an aside how's your GT2 compared to your old GT3 RS?!
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