993 Prices tipped to rise again in 2015

[993kimbo]

I think that's what a lot of 993 buyers tend to do - find a car that's had all the work done and paid for by someone else. Hence the 'my car's only ever needed servicing' brigade.

Unfortunately I am that 'Someone Else'.

Edited by 993kimbo on Thursday 5th February 10:03

[Orangecurry]

...and we love you for it!

[oldnbold]

993kimbo said:

I think that's what a lot of 993 buyers tend to do - find a car that's had all the work done and paid for by someone else. Hence the 'my car's only ever needed servicing' brigade.

Unfortunately I am that 'Someone Else'.

Edited by 993kimbo on Thursday 5th February 10:03

Have you always been that lucky?

[ras62]

993kimbo said:

Wait until your steering rack goes and you get a bill for £2000. (Not eye-watering enough? ).

That's a bit OTT when you can have it refurbished as new for 10% of the price

[oldnbold]

anonymous said:

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Haha, well I don't think that 993's could be classed as "dirt cheap" to buy. All cars can go wrong and cost money, especially older ones. But if you do your research and due diligence on the car your going to purchase then you can minimise your risk exposure.

C2/C4 manual Coupe's with less than 100k miles were going for high teens to low twenties when I got mine, I bought mine because it had spent the last 7 years on the Hartech maintainence program with the previous owner. As a result I paid towards the top end of the price spectrum, and also got the dealer to sort the one or two little things that needed doing as part of the deal.

[Wozy68]

I'm the nutter who looks for a car that needs work. That way, I know that everything that needs doing has been done.

What amazes me is just how mileage means little. I looked at loads of 993s, one that stood out was a immaculate 60K car with kaput suspension, yet the owner kept going on and on about how he's just replaced the clutch.

The one I bought at 110K miles, at the time had perfectly good suspension, no rot and is still (129K Miles) on its original clutch. I didn't even replace the original suspension till she got to 125K miles, and that only because a front top mount was passed its best.

But I've replaced other things, for example engine mounts and a poor fitting windscreen, shes had a new front wheel bearing, but other than minor items and the cost of service, on a general day to day basis she has cost little. She even managed nigh on 30MPG on a trip through France top to btm at a steady 85MPH. Not bad for a 20 year old car, let alone a 911.

I put new tyres on her when I bought her, they even lasted 14K miles.

I love it.

[david hockney]

993 article:

http://www.petrolicious.com/driving-exciting-new-c...

[993kimbo]

993 Targa Tiptronic in Turquoise.

£47,000.

At the good value car dealers Paul Stephens.

Yipee. I've got one of those in a better colour.

[david hockney]

993kimbo said:

993 Targa Tiptronic in Turquoise.

£47,000.

At the good value car dealers Paul Stephens.

Yipee. I've got one of those in a better colour.

It's only got 32k on the clock but still- £47k !!!! However- as the dealer points out- it still has the original rear numberplate
as shown in one of the accompanying photos..........now, how often when considering a car purchase do you specifically
ask about the numberplate being original ????? Have I missed something? If the vendor has a new number plate because
the original was jaded by how much does this devalue the car- could it be used to negotiate a hefty discount?

[highway]

Context plays a part. Pre 993 most of my cars, the posh cars, were new or nearly new when I acquired them. Owning newer cars meant FOR me, that I wasn't picking up tabs for cam covers, gaskets covers, failing door straps, clutches, dying batteries, intermittent battery drains, failing exhaust straps, rotted bumper support bars, worn bushes, crankcase seal and replacement distributor caps.. My 993 is a pampered garage we. I've said it before, it has a better life than me. Tucked up and under a dust sheet sucking on trickle charger. It has it easy.

Until recently my daily was a very low mileage 11 years old family car of Japanese origin. It lived outside and we did 18,000 miles in about 3 years. Serviced twice in my ownership, once by me! I had a new set of tyres fitted and new brake pads. Nothing went wrong. Nothing stopped working. Nothing needed replacement.

Some people hold the opinion that you should use the car every day, as it's better for the car and justifies better the expense of ownership. I have to park in some tight spaces in unpleasant areas for work. Taking the car and leaving it there elevates my stress levels so that's no a plan for me. Instead I use the car to enhance days I can plan in advance. Usually when it's nice outside.

As my last post, there's many a 993 owner who loves the tinkering aspect of owning the car. However, there are other people who wanted one because its the best looking 911 and possessed of proper automotive charisma. It makes a great noise and it feels special to drive. Personally, I don't think its sublime to drive as some here do. But I do like it and ad I found late last year, when offered a lot of money for it, I just don't want it gone.

My point is, it's cost me a LOT more to own than any other car I've had in the past. Maybe that's to be expected- it's an old car. I get that. But if you take it as say a £40k sports car and compare it to another £40k sports car, maybe a gen 2 997, you could well be looking at little more than routine servicing. No big bills. My brother in law has a gen 2. In 12k he's had new tyres and a routine service.

In this context, and reliant on your wallet rather than your skill set, a 993 IS an expensive car to run.

[stuttgartmetal]

david hockney said:

993 article:

http://www.petrolicious.com/driving-exciting-new-c...

When someone describes a 993 as "a lovely little urban runabout" you know he hasn't got a f cking clue

Pr ck.

[david hockney]

anonymous said:

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+1

Obviously a 993 is a bit heavy going at very slow speeds and a smart car would be better in central London-
but I'd much rather drive a compact 993 in the city than a Range Rover as per the Knightsbridge crowd.

[stuttgartmetal]

A 993 is t a nice little urban runabout, that's a mini diesel or the like.
To describe it as such is to belittle it.

A 993 will do it, but also do London to Barcelona in 12 hours.

[993kimbo]

993 Tip.

The best of all worlds. Drive it anywhere.

[david hockney]

I understand this is a tedious question but if an expert knowledgeable person could give me a figure
I'd appreciate it:

I have a 993 C2 manual coupe. It is a 1996 varioram model. Polar silver/ marble grey interior. In great condition, full service history stamped for every year-(was under Hartech service plan for 5 years), loads of work done, new discs/pads/conti tyres recently, 113k on the clock.
What's a ball park figure for a private sale? I've been looking online but have not seen a 993 C2 coupe for sale private for a long time. Any advice appreciated.

Edited by david hockney on Monday 9th February 10:30

Edited by david hockney on Monday 9th February 10:31

[Orangecurry]

113k miles? Ooooh no Sir if it was 112 that would be OK, but 993ers are a stupidsticious lot. I could do you a favour and give you 20k for it, but I'd be losing out....

As the MY96 has the varioram AND the earlier close-ratio gearbox, you have THE best version of the 993, so don't undersell it.

I'm no good at values, but what about 30k GBP?

[Wozy68]

Private sale, I'd be edging me bets and going for 32K. If you think that's a lot, there's a nice non original 1968 Mini Cooper S I was looking at the other day up for 30K and they built thousands of them.

Ok what about a great history non leaking 964 C2 manual with 113K miles on the clock? 32k, you would struggle to get a Targa let alone a coupe with your 32K.

I'd hold on. The 993 is undervalued compared to other classics out there and is IMO the best aircooled post 73 911. The only people complaining they are going for too much dosh arn't looking at the wider classic market or saying that, the classic 911 market.

I was offered over the phone near 27K for mine and its pre vario manual with 129K miles.

[erics]

a 993 c2 / c2s manual is the best modern classic out there.

Fantastic to drive in all conditions. Looks great. Amazingly modern driving experience (crisp), yet deliciously old fashion.

I often drive mine around London with no pain at all. My 964rs was a nightmare in the same conditions.

993's (of the right kind - 2wd, manual) are due a big rise.

[david hockney]

Thanks for the input-
I'll keep an eye on the market and see how things are looking when I need to sell.
She's all wrapped up indoors hibernating until the weather improves.....

[Geneve]

erics said:

a 993 c2 / c2s manual is the best modern classic out there.
Fantastic to drive in all conditions. Looks great. Amazingly modern driving experience (crisp), yet deliciously old fashion.
I often drive mine around London with no pain at all. My 964rs was a nightmare in the same conditions.
993's (of the right kind - 2wd, manual) are due a big rise.

I actually prefer the 993 C4. Back in the '90s I had two 993 C2 manuals, both bought new, then drove a friend's C4 and remember, rather frustratingly, thinking it felt nicer - in complete contrast to my experience with the 964s.

Drove another 993 C4 last year, and it reminded me how well balanced they feel - never driven a wide body n/a 993 though.