A Singer is coming to England!!!

A Singer is coming to England!!!

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monthefish

20,443 posts

231 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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Wozy68 said:
g7jhp said:
Why should it fail Wozy68?

Surely it's a modified 964.
Clue.

Well it would only cost a couple of quid to sort it ...... smile

Mind you I could be wrong, I'm not a mechanic or MOT tester.
So why are you being so evasive?

Wozy68

5,390 posts

170 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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Blimey I'v opened a right can of worms here smile

Hadn't noticed lack of rear fog light. I'm pretty sure that is def an MOT failure.
I think they have been mandatory since at least the mid Seventies.

Good shout. Though what I picked up on, is a lot cheaper to correct.

5517

1,952 posts

245 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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Has anyone ever actually fully sorted one of these cars as any video ive seen its not the finished article with regards to handling.

Remember even when Chris Harris drove one it wasnt right.

Is there an absolutely perfect sorted car anywhere?

Wozy68

5,390 posts

170 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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monthefish said:
Wozy68 said:
g7jhp said:
Why should it fail Wozy68?

Surely it's a modified 964.
Clue.

Well it would only cost a couple of quid to sort it ...... smile

Mind you I could be wrong, I'm not a mechanic or MOT tester.
So why are you being so evasive?
I'm not, just a bit of fun. I'm seeing what has been picked up before with me when MOTing a car. Its a very simple thing.

Saying that, maybe cars from the States are allowed different criteria when importing.

throt

3,055 posts

170 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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IMIA said:
Funk said:
Stunning cars but I have one major criticism; surely having the fuel filler in the centre of the bonnet is asking for trouble with dents, scuffs and drips?

I'd want my filler somewhere I wouldn't be so likely to damage the paint!
they way the cars been specified i doubt it will get much use - can you imagine what a young lady in heels would do to the paint on the interior - i wouldn't let anyone else inside it lol
And their handbags with buckles. Why do females insist on taking everything bar the kitchen sink on a ride out,, yikes.

Hard-Drive

4,079 posts

229 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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Steering wheel bolts. OCD fail. Just sayin'...

hopeydaze

298 posts

150 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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Wozy68 said:
I'm not, just a bit of fun. I'm seeing what has been picked up before with me when MOTing a car. Its a very simple thing.

Saying that, maybe cars from the States are allowed different criteria when importing.
I'll go with missing front number plate

Wozy68

5,390 posts

170 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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hopeydaze said:
Wozy68 said:
I'm not, just a bit of fun. I'm seeing what has been picked up before with me when MOTing a car. Its a very simple thing.

Saying that, maybe cars from the States are allowed different criteria when importing.
I'll go with missing front number plate
I'm sorry to be so prosaic, but when MOTing a car in the UK that's an import, it has to have both KPH and MPH on the speedo, and any UK registered car requires that either or both KPH or MPH can be read.

Maybe it doesnt require it coming from the States, but I'd be suprised if that is the case.

Much prefer IMIAs thoughts. No rear fog light. That's surely got to be a fail.

Streetrod

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6,468 posts

206 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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Wozy68 said:
hopeydaze said:
Wozy68 said:
I'm not, just a bit of fun. I'm seeing what has been picked up before with me when MOTing a car. Its a very simple thing.

Saying that, maybe cars from the States are allowed different criteria when importing.
I'll go with missing front number plate
I'm sorry to be so prosaic, but when MOTing a car in the UK that's an import, it has to have both KPH and MPH on the speedo, and any UK registered car requires that either or both KPH or MPH can be read.

Maybe it doesnt require it coming from the States, but I'd be suprised if that is the case.

Much prefer IMIAs thoughts. No rear fog light. That's surely got to be a fail.
I think you find that the car is not an import. My understanding is that it’s a RHD British car that was shipped to the USA for the work to be done then shipped back here once completed. So the car will still have a UK registration and all the UK based documentation. Singer makes a point about the cars keeping their original history and mileage etc

But I do wonder what happens with regard to import duty. Let’s say the car was worth £50k when you shipped it to the states, it’s had let’s say $200k work of work done. Would you only be liable for import tax on the work done?

And just to complicate things a little more, your car would have to stay in America for at least 6 months during transformation. My understanding was that if you bought something in the US and kept it there for 6 months, it would then not be liable for import tax once shipped as you would have paid local US taxes on those parts or service. So in theory your shiny new Singer would not be liable for any import duty.

Could anyone clarify this please?

Truckosaurus

11,287 posts

284 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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A quick glance at the HMRC pages on the gov.uk site shows there is specific mention in the 're-importing' section excluding vehicles that are modified since they've been exported. So it looks like you are at the mercy of HMRC and what they think the 'new' car is actually worth.

5517

1,952 posts

245 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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Hard-Drive said:
Steering wheel bolts. OCD fail. Just sayin'...
That is just terrible!!!!!!!!!!

http://singervehicledesign.com/gallery/the-machine...

5517

1,952 posts

245 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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toasty said:
Oh and I'd have to change the gearstick gaiter. smile
Why?

When building a Singer you can spend your money in the areas you want.

This guy obviously felt £3.12p was the max he would go on a gaiter smile






GT3-RS

1,085 posts

219 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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dip yer hands into yer pockets and rake out £330k and you too can have one

footsoldier

2,258 posts

192 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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Streetrod said:
I think you find that the car is not an import. My understanding is that it’s a RHD British car that was shipped to the USA for the work to be done then shipped back here once completed. So the car will still have a UK registration and all the UK based documentation. Singer makes a point about the cars keeping their original history and mileage etc

But I do wonder what happens with regard to import duty. Let’s say the car was worth £50k when you shipped it to the states, it’s had let’s say $200k work of work done. Would you only be liable for import tax on the work done?

And just to complicate things a little more, your car would have to stay in America for at least 6 months during transformation. My understanding was that if you bought something in the US and kept it there for 6 months, it would then not be liable for import tax once shipped as you would have paid local US taxes on those parts or service. So in theory your shiny new Singer would not be liable for any import duty.

Could anyone clarify this please?
You are correct - it is a UK donor car which is shipped to US. It retains its original identity, and remains 'owned' by you while it is in the US having work done. As a result, there is no import duty when it comes back 'modified'.

You also do not have to pay California taxes if its being repatriated. You do, however, have to pay UK VAT on the value of work done in US, at applicable rate when it gets back to UK. So, 20% on top of Singer bill, but not on original donor car value.

I have one on order which will go into build later this year.

Nurburgsingh

5,119 posts

238 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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Theres ALL sorts of loveliness going on there!!

So it hasn't got a fog light... minor issue

Not sure the mileage has been retained on that car, the speedo shows 35miles. Its a 6 Speed too!!!

love love love the rear spoiler that brightwork just looks brilliant.

Streetrod

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6,468 posts

206 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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footsoldier said:
Streetrod said:
I think you find that the car is not an import. My understanding is that it’s a RHD British car that was shipped to the USA for the work to be done then shipped back here once completed. So the car will still have a UK registration and all the UK based documentation. Singer makes a point about the cars keeping their original history and mileage etc

But I do wonder what happens with regard to import duty. Let’s say the car was worth £50k when you shipped it to the states, it’s had let’s say $200k work of work done. Would you only be liable for import tax on the work done?

And just to complicate things a little more, your car would have to stay in America for at least 6 months during transformation. My understanding was that if you bought something in the US and kept it there for 6 months, it would then not be liable for import tax once shipped as you would have paid local US taxes on those parts or service. So in theory your shiny new Singer would not be liable for any import duty.

Could anyone clarify this please?
You are correct - it is a UK donor car which is shipped to US. It retains its original identity, and remains 'owned' by you while it is in the US having work done. As a result, there is no import duty when it comes back 'modified'.

You also do not have to pay California taxes if its being repatriated. You do, however, have to pay UK VAT on the value of work done in US, at applicable rate when it gets back to UK. So, 20% on top of Singer bill, but not on original donor car value.

I have one on order which will go into build later this year.
Congrats Footsoldier, make sure you start a build thread when your car starts the process.
A quick question for you, do customs record the state of your car before you ship it and therefore are able to judge the changes when it comes back. Or do they rely on your honesty to tell them what has been done and produce receipts so allowing them to add VAT?

footsoldier

2,258 posts

192 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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I'm not actually sure as I haven't shipped it over yet, as build starts late July earliest. (I paid deposit last year, and have place on the list with a build number and name designation.). Will update on progress as it happens...

I know that Singer invoice properly and in full, but not sure who's responsible for telling customs on the way back. Personally, I'm just going to bite the bullet and make sure all is done properly, but it's a big extra cost that has to be factored in.

They have a resource in UK now, who handles sourcing, shipping and after sales/servicing.

If you need any more, let me know, or just get in touch with Rob direct - very helpful and will happily chat through any questions at length!

Wozy68

5,390 posts

170 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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Streetrod said:
Wozy68 said:
hopeydaze said:
Wozy68 said:
I'm not, just a bit of fun. I'm seeing what has been picked up before with me when MOTing a car. Its a very simple thing.

Saying that, maybe cars from the States are allowed different criteria when importing.
I'll go with missing front number plate
I'm sorry to be so prosaic, but when MOTing a car in the UK that's an import, it has to have both KPH and MPH on the speedo, and any UK registered car requires that either or both KPH or MPH can be read.

Maybe it doesnt require it coming from the States, but I'd be suprised if that is the case.

Much prefer IMIAs thoughts. No rear fog light. That's surely got to be a fail.
I think you find that the car is not an import. My understanding is that it’s a RHD British car that was shipped to the USA for the work to be done then shipped back here once completed. So the car will still have a UK registration and all the UK based documentation. Singer makes a point about the cars keeping their original history and mileage etc

But I do wonder what happens with regard to import duty. Let’s say the car was worth £50k when you shipped it to the states, it’s had let’s say $200k work of work done. Would you only be liable for import tax on the work done?

And just to complicate things a little more, your car would have to stay in America for at least 6 months during transformation. My understanding was that if you bought something in the US and kept it there for 6 months, it would then not be liable for import tax once shipped as you would have paid local US taxes on those parts or service. So in theory your shiny new Singer would not be liable for any import duty.

Could anyone clarify this please?
If it's an original UK car then they have still changed the speedo me thinks. A UK would have kph and mph on the speedo. This one just has MPH hence why I believe its illegal. Just my OCD coming out.

Slippydiff

14,830 posts

223 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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5517 said:
They're a tapered countersunk head, once they're tight, they're tight, and trying to tighten them further normally results in the hex drive getting butchered. I guess you could have the heads surface ground to remove the spec (but then you wouldn't know the tensile strength of material they were made from .......)

Personally I'd be more put off by that painted interior, it's just doesn't work for me. Other dislikes ? The lack of heater and the frankly appalling choice of wheel finish.

Edit to add, I agree that gear lever gaiter grates rather.

Edited by Slippydiff on Friday 20th February 18:13

MDahmen

6,935 posts

177 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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Streetrod said:
Wozy68 said:
hopeydaze said:
Wozy68 said:
I'm not, just a bit of fun. I'm seeing what has been picked up before with me when MOTing a car. Its a very simple thing.

Saying that, maybe cars from the States are allowed different criteria when importing.
I'll go with missing front number plate
I'm sorry to be so prosaic, but when MOTing a car in the UK that's an import, it has to have both KPH and MPH on the speedo, and any UK registered car requires that either or both KPH or MPH can be read.

Maybe it doesnt require it coming from the States, but I'd be suprised if that is the case.

Much prefer IMIAs thoughts. No rear fog light. That's surely got to be a fail.
I think you find that the car is not an import. My understanding is that it’s a RHD British car that was shipped to the USA for the work to be done then shipped back here once completed. So the car will still have a UK registration and all the UK based documentation. Singer makes a point about the cars keeping their original history and mileage etc

But I do wonder what happens with regard to import duty. Let’s say the car was worth £50k when you shipped it to the states, it’s had let’s say $200k work of work done. Would you only be liable for import tax on the work done?

And just to complicate things a little more, your car would have to stay in America for at least 6 months during transformation. My understanding was that if you bought something in the US and kept it there for 6 months, it would then not be liable for import tax once shipped as you would have paid local US taxes on those parts or service. So in theory your shiny new Singer would not be liable for any import duty.

Could anyone clarify this please?
When I briefly looked into getting a Singer, I was told that you have to pay VAT on the work they do when returning the car back to its home country. I only looked into this very briefly, so am sure somebody else is more qualified.