Gt3 v Cayman r vid
Discussion
Interesting not as much in it as I thought it would be.
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Scooty100 said:
Quite fancy a cayman R now value vs the GT4 I think
I agree, without going into the whole new vs used debate, a GT4 my "must have" boxes ticked (Clubsport, Buckets, PCM, full Xenons and some other bits and bobs) costs exactly twice the price of a low milage Cayman R. Now I obviously haven't driven the GT4 yet but considering factors like weight, larger wheels & tyres, more unsprung mass, electric steering and the longer wheelbase, I don't think the GT4 will be a miles ahead of the CR in terms of driving experience and "fun". Not on the street where I do over 98% of my driving.
If you put the CR on MPSC2s and get a decent geo done it should only be about 20 seconds slower around the 'ring than the new car. Where the new car should really shine is braking performance but I don't recall too many people complaining about the Cayman R brakes.
From what I can tell so far the GT4 will be a great performing manual track weapon but it looks like the Cayman R is the more balanced package as an all-in-one car.
I also find it so strange that Porsche built a track car with racing suspension, long front splitter, no lift kit and then went ahead and put a torquey 3.8L motor in it.
IMO the GTS should have received a 3.8L detuned to 365 hp and the GT4 a 3.6L short stroke 385 hp 9000rpm screamer.
If there's anything I learned from driving a '70 911 2.2S it's that the engine character is far more important for a nice driving experience than total power or torque output.
EricE said:
I agree, without going into the whole new vs used debate, a GT4 my "must have" boxes ticked (Clubsport, Buckets, PCM, full Xenons and some other bits and bobs) costs exactly twice the price of a low milage Cayman R.
Now I obviously haven't driven the GT4 yet but considering factors like weight, larger wheels & tyres, more unsprung mass, electric steering and the longer wheelbase, I don't think the GT4 will be a miles ahead of the CR in terms of driving experience and "fun". Not on the street where I do over 98% of my driving.
If you put the CR on MPSC2s and get a decent geo done it should only be about 20 seconds slower around the 'ring than the new car. Where the new car should really shine is braking performance but I don't recall too many people complaining about the Cayman R brakes.
From what I can tell so far the GT4 will be a great performing manual track weapon but it looks like the Cayman R is the more balanced package as an all-in-one car.
I also find it so strange that Porsche built a track car with racing suspension, long front splitter, no lift kit and then went ahead and put a torquey 3.8L motor in it.
IMO the GTS should have received a 3.8L detuned to 365 hp and the GT4 a 3.6L short stroke 385 hp 9000rpm screamer.
If there's anything I learned from driving a '70 911 2.2S it's that the engine character is far more important for a nice driving experience than total power or torque output.
On the basis of what's gone before, ie Gen 1 997 GT3 3.6 litres and 415hp and 996 GT3 RS 3.6 litres and probably 400hp (not to mention a Mk1 996 GT3 engine with decent exhaust and cats @ 395-400hp) it could have and should have been exactly that.Now I obviously haven't driven the GT4 yet but considering factors like weight, larger wheels & tyres, more unsprung mass, electric steering and the longer wheelbase, I don't think the GT4 will be a miles ahead of the CR in terms of driving experience and "fun". Not on the street where I do over 98% of my driving.
If you put the CR on MPSC2s and get a decent geo done it should only be about 20 seconds slower around the 'ring than the new car. Where the new car should really shine is braking performance but I don't recall too many people complaining about the Cayman R brakes.
From what I can tell so far the GT4 will be a great performing manual track weapon but it looks like the Cayman R is the more balanced package as an all-in-one car.
I also find it so strange that Porsche built a track car with racing suspension, long front splitter, no lift kit and then went ahead and put a torquey 3.8L motor in it.
IMO the GTS should have received a 3.8L detuned to 365 hp and the GT4 a 3.6L short stroke 385 hp 9000rpm screamer.
If there's anything I learned from driving a '70 911 2.2S it's that the engine character is far more important for a nice driving experience than total power or torque output.
But my guess is the Mezger engine components are not only expensive to make, but it's probably not an engine that lends itself to quick, easy, straightforward mass production techniques.
I watched a program on Sky over the weekend ("Building dream cars" or something) the 991 engine is designed to be built easily and quickly (I was shocked to see a bent head gasket being used and the head dropped onto it and torqued down) The Mezger has a mass of small and fiddly rubber O rings between the head and cylinder liners/waterjackets and between the cam carriers and head iirc. None of which would lend themselves to cheap, efficient assembly.
Enjoy the Mezger, they'll never produce anything like it again.
Personally I think Ferrari now produce far superior engines, and if truth be known, have done for some time.
johnycarrera said:
Re the video, not sure what OE tyres are on Cayman R but don't think it has cups like the 911 which would maybe have been a lot more even for these tests.......
Whatever, both great cars
Yes that's the first thing I thought when I saw the vid a couple of years ago. Mine has Bridgestone Potenza as std, they'll get swapped for MPSC2 once they run out. I reckon it'll make a massive difference.Whatever, both great cars
Edited by J-P on Wednesday 4th March 20:40
Scooty100 said:
J-P said:
Manual.
Hmm JP thinking the same. Needing a drive in one soon !J-P said:
You're welcome to have a go in mine - I think it's a lovely car. To be honest I think the spec of the CR is nigh on perfect. Mid-engined, NA flat six, hydraulic steering, manual, proper handbrake, passive sports suspension, buckets, trick lightweight bits - what's not to like? Could do with a firmer brake pedal - I'm going to get this sorted with GT3 MC. Other than that its a brilliant piece of kit.
Super kind of you and in return my 7GT3 is all yours or a 964 if you prefer! Lets get some sun and arrange Scooty100 said:
J-P said:
You're welcome to have a go in mine - I think it's a lovely car. To be honest I think the spec of the CR is nigh on perfect. Mid-engined, NA flat six, hydraulic steering, manual, proper handbrake, passive sports suspension, buckets, trick lightweight bits - what's not to like? Could do with a firmer brake pedal - I'm going to get this sorted with GT3 MC. Other than that its a brilliant piece of kit.
Super kind of you and in return my 7GT3 is all yours or a 964 if you prefer! Lets get some sun and arrange ETA - we could recreate the above vid!
Edited by J-P on Wednesday 4th March 21:12
J-P said:
Cool I'm up for that! It's having the boot sorted at the moment. Next month, GT3 MC, ECU map and intake (to get rid of the rarely noticed but annoying once you have flat spot - WOT, 32MPH in 4th and....nothing!) and cup cables. It's going to be a fun couple of months after that!
ETA - we could recreate the above vid!
Good shout need those style roads as well. Demon the more the merrier !ETA - we could recreate the above vid!
Edited by J-P on Wednesday 4th March 21:12
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