Where have all the 993 C2's gone

[Tom 911V]

Black_mamba said:

Apologies Tom, the cars go so quickly I blinked and missed the price. thought £37k sounded to cheap...it was!!!

No apology needed.
Cheers T

[g7jhp]

Wozy68 said:

3.2 v 993 C4. Very different cars indeed. Ever driven a 964

No. It's on the list to try, but not sure if it'll feel a bit old and slow coming from a 996 turbo.

[HoHoHo]

Tom 911V said:

Black_mamba said:

Apologies Tom, the cars go so quickly I blinked and missed the price. thought £37k sounded to cheap...it was!!!

No apology needed.
Cheers T

Hi Tom

Sorry, no doubt a dumb question and has been answered previously but why would the rear wiper be removed from the lime green 993?

Does the weight saving make it go faster

or

Or is it simply they fail/it wasn't wanted/liked by the last owner?

[Orangecurry]

The mint green one?

I assume that was Apothecary's car? (Paul)

There can't be that many with satin black hollowspokes. I hope my babies have gone to a good home.

[Tom 911V]

HoHoHo said:

Hi Tom

Sorry, no doubt a dumb question and has been answered previously but why would the rear wiper be removed from the lime green 993?

Does the weight saving make it go faster

or

Or is it simply they fail/it wasn't wanted/liked by the last owner?

Hi Martin,

Purely an aesthetic choice I suspect. Working rear wiper mechanism supplied with the car.

T

[Black_mamba]

HoHoHo said:

Hi Tom

Sorry, no doubt a dumb question and has been answered previously but why would the rear wiper be removed from the lime green 993?

Does the weight saving make it go faster

or

Or is it simply they fail/it wasn't wanted/liked by the last owner?

...LIME GREEN...

[HoHoHo]

Black_mamba said:

HoHoHo said:

Hi Tom

Sorry, no doubt a dumb question and has been answered previously but why would the rear wiper be removed from the lime green 993?

Does the weight saving make it go faster

or

Or is it simply they fail/it wasn't wanted/liked by the last owner?

...LIME GREEN...

Sorry mint green - feel better now?

[HoHoHo]

Tom 911V said:

HoHoHo said:

Hi Tom

Sorry, no doubt a dumb question and has been answered previously but why would the rear wiper be removed from the lime green 993?

Does the weight saving make it go faster

or

Or is it simply they fail/it wasn't wanted/liked by the last owner?

Hi Martin,

Purely an aesthetic choice I suspect. Working rear wiper mechanism supplied with the car.

T

Thanks Tom :thumbsup:

Not sure I'd remove it (for authenticity) but each to their own!

Edited to add that reading the ad again I see the wiper was an 'option deleted' so I guess it simply wasn't popular at the time.

Edited by HoHoHo on Monday 2nd March 20:22

[Wozy68]

g7jhp said:

Wozy68 said:

3.2 v 993 C4. Very different cars indeed. Ever driven a 964

No. It's on the list to try, but not sure if it'll feel a bit old and slow coming from a 996 turbo.

Absolutely. Ref turbo.

But from experience a 993 is more an understandable development of a late air-cooled 911 if you had already driven a 964 after a 3.2, especially a C2 993.

[SidewaysSi]

Tom, you should reduce asking prices or you will soon have no stock of air cooled cars...!

[acme]

mollytherocker said:

Just in case you didnt see it on the other thread. Most people are quite surprised when they realise how few came to the UK.

Thanks for posting up again MTR.

I've seen this table many times before but what I'd never looked at was the number of '96 & '97 (VR) Carreras vs S - 259 vs 239. Given logically S models are more like to have been garage queens it goes to show why when looking for a good NB manual C2 VR there were so few, & that's 7-9 years ago!

[david hockney]

In the latest Octane magazine there is a large article stating what they consider to be the greatest classics to buy and own are- on the first page is the 993 C2..........interestingly the writer says the 964 is dull:

[mollytherocker]

The 964 is dull? What utter bks. Totally undermines the article!

[david hockney]

+1
I've never heard anyone say the 964 is dull........still, good to see the humble 993 get some good press

[Wozy68]

mollytherocker said:

The 964 is dull? What utter bks. Totally undermines the article!

Why, owned one? It was the worse 911 I've owned, and I've owned 5 different aircooled 911s.

You read an article 10 years ago and the review would have said something along those lines. The 964 was cheap for so many years for many a good reason. When it came out it was crap. Simple as that.

[stuttgartmetal]

I bought a 964 two years ago from Belfast.
a C2 in guards red, with cup ones on it.
I put an RS wheel on it, and a rear cage.

It absolutely flew.
Boring ?
Get out.
Handling and brakes were just so much more modern than my Carrera 3.2.
The five speed gearbox was sublime.
So much better than this six speed, for me.
The steering and handling were a real wow factor, I could drift it into a bendd and hold it there, giving it large.
I loved.

By far the porsche I miss the most for the crack.
However, it used to invite the wrong kind of attention.
The confrontations I had with ar5eholes on the road.

I think they just saw some old fat geezer driving it, in a mid life crisis sort of way.

Bought ti for ten.
Sold it eighteen months ago for 15, paid into my bank blind.
The guy never drove it, just trailered it away.

I wanted a 993 again.

[g7jhp]

david hockney said:

+1
I've never heard anyone say the 964 is dull........still, good to see the humble 993 get some good press

The 993 has always had good press!

[g7jhp]

Wozy68 said:

mollytherocker said:

The 964 is dull? What utter bks. Totally undermines the article!

Why, owned one? It was the worse 911 I've owned, and I've owned 5 different aircooled 911s.

You read an article 10 years ago and the review would have said something along those lines. The 964 was cheap for so many years for many a good reason. When it came out it was crap. Simple as that.

I owned a mint varioram 993 (albeit C4) and it was the worst 911 I've owned. The 3.2's were rawer and my 996 turbo has great feel and amazing performance. I do still need to get some time in a 964 C2 (and would like to see if a 993 C2 is better than the C4)!

[mollytherocker]

Wozy68 said:

Why, owned one? It was the worse 911 I've owned, and I've owned 5 different aircooled 911s.

You read an article 10 years ago and the review would have said something along those lines. The 964 was cheap for so many years for many a good reason. When it came out it was crap. Simple as that.

I havent owned one no, so haven't spent long periods with one.

Which element did you find dull?

[Wozy68]

mollytherocker said:

Wozy68 said:

Why, owned one? It was the worse 911 I've owned, and I've owned 5 different aircooled 911s.

You read an article 10 years ago and the review would have said something along those lines. The 964 was cheap for so many years for many a good reason. When it came out it was crap. Simple as that.

I havent owned one no, so haven't spent long periods with one.

Which element did you find dull?

Just look back at the some of the reviews of the 964 when it came out, especially later from the likes of Dron who used to actually drive/race them (for Porsche) at the time. It was being beaten by the 2.7RS. That's nearly twenty years after the RS came out!!!!

Those that own a 964 now can be as rose tinted as they want, but a 964 was the dullest 911 since the 2.7 911 of the mid 70s, and back in the day that's why they were a cheap 911, no one really wants them. In standard form they had so much understeer dialed in and I will take to my grave the reason for that was the rear was so shocking. I've always before called it that the rear of a 964 felt 'heavy'. Thinking about it, a better description is that you really had no idea at times what it was doing,
Owners can argue it to they are blue in the face, but the 964 was classd as a pretty damn poor 911 from around 1990 until about 2008.
Low and behold, as prices have risen, so the makeover started.

When people talk comparing a C2 993 as being boring compared to a C2 964 then you really know they are talking crap. Same as if they think it's a better drivers 911 compared to a 3.2, again that are talking crap.
Basically IMO they built the 964 to be a car for all types of drivers (ie for all tastes) and because of that Porache failed with it.

Edited by Wozy68 on Thursday 5th March 22:33