Where have all the 993 C2's gone
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Wozy68 said:
I understand what you are saying and you are quite right, we each have our own opinion and quite rightly so.
My opinion is that I did not rate the 964 when I owned one over 10 years ago (I think using the word crap was a mistake, a bit excessive and I apologise
), and nor did a lot of others (hence why they were so cheap), compared to how people/owners judge them now (when they are so expensive).
My argument (based on fact) was purely that they were never that well rated when they were new, and not well thought of for the next 15 years, and IMO quite rightly so, and in that respect Dron was right on what he has written in this months Octane magazine.
Bizarre how for some unknown reason, the negatives are no longer valid; and especially as their values have risen. The lack of enjoyment of driving one back in the day compared to some other 911s, has somehow diminished.
You've owned one so have good reason personally not to rate the 964 v the 993.My opinion is that I did not rate the 964 when I owned one over 10 years ago (I think using the word crap was a mistake, a bit excessive and I apologise
), and nor did a lot of others (hence why they were so cheap), compared to how people/owners judge them now (when they are so expensive). My argument (based on fact) was purely that they were never that well rated when they were new, and not well thought of for the next 15 years, and IMO quite rightly so, and in that respect Dron was right on what he has written in this months Octane magazine.
Bizarre how for some unknown reason, the negatives are no longer valid; and especially as their values have risen. The lack of enjoyment of driving one back in the day compared to some other 911s, has somehow diminished.
As for the 964 never being well rated, I still have copies of Autocar, Performance Car and Fast Lane which contradict that statement. The standard 964 was well received in 1990, oddly they launched with the 964 C4 (probably because it was new being 4WD and wanted to run out any old 3.2 Carrera).
I would agree the 964 suffered for a number of reasons:
1) The yuppie image (it was the most accesible city boy car)
2) The change to plastic bumpers went against the purists
3) The recession hit (so reducing the number sold)
4) Engine leaks in early cars - reliability and higher running costs
5) The 993 launched quickly - had great reviews and was the new 911 which everybody wanted
So why has the 964 come back into favour:
1) It's aircooled
2) It was always a good 911 - read Autocars 4 way test from circa 1995 with a 3.2 Carrera Clubsport, 964 C2, 993 C4 and 2.7 RS. The 964 comes 2nd, only losing to the 2.7RS.
3) The limited numbers sold in the recession has led to prices appreciating due to supply
4) The engine leaks get fixed and aren't terminal
All these cars (3.2, 964, 993 etc) can be dogs if not set-up and running properly. But get a good one and they're fantastic!
I can see some of this repeating itself:
996 C2 - Changing from the 993 and having engine issues gave it a bad image. If engine etc is sorted people will (and probably already are) start to appreciate them more.
997.2 C2S - Limited supply due to the 2008 recession - probably a reliable bet as a future classic (especially the run out 997.2 GTS).
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