How much is a 991GT3RS allocation worth?

[APOLO1]

AndrewD said:

Well, I didn't say that, somebody else did

I think that this is the confusion...

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Can you feel the actual benefit of elc tech, rws, pdk s, vector etc. sharper turn in, mid engine feel.....Absolutely..

2.
Can you feel the tech, actually doing its stuff ie, intervention, I am with all the Jurnos on this you just cannot feel it. For example the RWS, the much sharper turn in, if you did not know it was on the car, you would not know its was there, you would just think it was progress evolution with the 991 chassis platform

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Edited by APOLO1 on Wednesday 25th February 12:28

[WCZ]

Richie200 said:

In all likelihood the New RS is likely to come with a £140k price tag. Many here have stated the GT3 was under-priced. Being realistic, the majority with LOI and deposits paid to OPC for the 991RS are going to be sadly let down. With this in mind, what do you think is a price worth paying to guarantee a slot?
My thinking is that with the 4.0RS providing a possible comparable value trajectory for future 991RS values; having the chance to buy one of these cars will likely net a similar return. What is the PH consensus on what being invited to the 991RS party is actually worth?

£250,000 within 12 months imo

[isaldiri]

MDahmen said:

I think there are fewer 991 GT3s than 997.2 RS worldwide - from memory only a little more than 1000 or 1100 - supposedly 3rd rarest GT water GT model after 6RS and 4.0. which might make sense given that there was a production stop and it was never a limited by numbers but rather limited by build time model as far as I am aware.

there were 785 cars as of the stop sale in Feb14 I think. No way there are only a total of 1100 991 gt3s worldwide as that would mean only ~400 cars produced since production restarted in what Jun 2014?

[MDahmen]

APOLO1 said:

MDahmen said:

I think there are fewer 991 GT3s than 997.2 RS worldwide - from memory only a little more than 1000 or 1100 - supposedly 3rd rarest GT water GT model after 6RS and 4.0. which might make sense given that there was a production stop and it was never a limited by numbers but rather limited by build time model as far as I am aware.

how do you see 1000 for the 991 GT3 ? there were almost 800 last Feb, and the fix aside it has been a continues production car for the past 12 months.......

Sport Auto article a while ago - no clue if they are correct

[APOLO1]

isaldiri said:

there were 785 cars as of the stop sale in Feb14 I think. No way there are only a total of 1100 991 gt3s worldwide as that would mean only ~400 cars produced since production restarted in what Jun 2014?

4000 mate....

[isaldiri]

APOLO1 said:

isaldiri said:

there were 785 cars as of the stop sale in Feb14 I think. No way there are only a total of 1100 991 gt3s worldwide as that would mean only ~400 cars produced since production restarted in what Jun 2014?

4000 mate....

Ah ok cool, that's more than I was thinking actually. interesting. cheers.

[APOLO1]

WCZ said:

£250,000 within 12 months imo

A lot will have to do with the list of a RHD car with the right spec, but if it is the low nos for RHDs, then I feel used it will start with a 3..

[DT398]

APOLO1 said:

H, just a polite question, do you own a 991GT3?

Taking into account that its a" known known" that there is no Gen 2 991Gen 2 GT3 or GT2 version, along with that fact very soon I expect to see a flood of depos being returned just like the GT4, I can only see demand for the GT3 going through the roof...Ie if I was up for an RS and did not get one, I would have no hesitation in grabbing the 1st GT3 to my spec that I could lay hands on...

The flaw in that argument is that maybe most of the depositors on the RS that are heading for imminent disappointment already have a 991GT3?

No 991.2 might be "known known" to you but it's pretty much "unknown" to everyone else at the moment, so I don't see how that's influencing the pricing today.

Edited by DT398 on Wednesday 25th February 12:45

Edited by DT398 on Wednesday 25th February 12:45

[APOLO1]

[quote=DT398]

The flaw in that argument is that maybe most of the depositors on the RS that are heading for imminent disappointment already have a 991GT3?

No 991.2 might be "known known" to you but it's pretty much "unknown" to everyone else at the moment, so I don't see how that's influencing the pricing today.

Disagree on both points.

Some not all I admit GT3 owners that have an GT3 do not want an RS.....very very track bias this one....

Also I know plenty of RS wannbes that did not bother with the GT3 for the reason above...

Its well known about the Gen 2s, if you need to know then you will know how to get this info...albeit I agree its not influencing present prices, but it will play a part in further prices rises to and beyond the 200k mark

Edited by APOLO1 on Wednesday 25th February 13:00

[DT398]

APOLO1 said:

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Disagree on both points.

Some not all I admit GT3 owners that have an GT3 do not want an RS.....very very track bias this one....

Also I know plenty of RS wannbes that did not bother with the GT3 for the reason above...

Its well known about the Gen 2s, if you need to know then you will know how to get this info...

Well let's agree to disagree. I don't buy the argument that the 991GT3 is the main or only outlet for disappointed 991GT3 RS depositors. Maybe those that don't get a 991RS will just stick with their 997RS? Or maybe they will just wait and see what comes next? All these "RS wannabes" that did not bother with the GT3, still might not find it that attractive after failing to secure an RS allocation.

Interested to know what you mean by "need to know" on the 991.2. Not sure anyone really "needs to know". Obviously it's not "well known" or people on here wouldn't be asking would they?

[APOLO1]

DT398 said:

Well let's agree to disagree. I don't buy the argument that the 991GT3 is the main or only outlet for disappointed 991GT3 RS depositors. Maybe those that don't get a 991RS will just stick with their 997RS? Or maybe they will just wait and see what comes next? All these "RS wannabes" that did not bother with the GT3, still might not find it that attractive after failing to secure an RS allocation.

Interested to know what you mean by "need to know" on the 991.2. Not sure anyone really "needs to know". Obviously it's not "well known" or people on here wouldn't be asking would they?

never said its "well known," its a known known, to those that need to know....

[DT398]

Come on Apolo, you are hiding behind semantics. Are you actually Donald Rumsfeld? Here's what he said:

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones"

Which category does the 991 gen2 fit into?

[APOLO1]

DT398 said:

Come on Apolo, you are hiding behind semantics. Are you actually Donald Rumsfeld? Here's what he said:

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones"

Which category does the 991 gen2 fit into?

This point has been done to the D, my view can not be any more clear. Mermaid will be along soon...lol

Press release next week. lets see......

[AndrewD]

APOLO1 said:

This point has been done to the D, my view can not be any more clear. Mermaid will be along soon...lol

Press release next week. lets see......

D, did you get my PM on the other place?

[APOLO1]

AndrewD said:

D, did you get my PM on the other place?

I am on it, and will revert tomorrow after meeting......
Rgds

[Robbo66]

AndrewD said:

There is a lot of bhing and moaning on here I feel. Across multiple threads but often involving GT3 for some reason

Only really from those couple of 20,000 + posts who habitually snipe, and have never driven one, so utterly irrelevant as regards a measured worthwhile opinion.

Use the 'scroll over' function.....mines set to 'PDK Sport Plus'.

[5517]

av185 said:

As a guide, and roughly at the same money, obtain a trade bid on say a 2013 458 Italia and a 2014 model. Big difference.......and as you know, their production numbers were far greater.......

Exactly so no comparison possible.

The example i gave was of a car in production for just one year in total that is loved by all and supplied in low low numbers just like the 2014 991 GT3.
A later car is still a 2014 car that was just delivered in 2015 and a such the values are identical in the same way a December registered 2013 991 GT3 is to a 2014 registered car.
They are all the same.

[wtdoom]

AndrewD said:

There is a lot of bhing and moaning on here I feel. Across multiple threads but often involving GT3 for some reason

Matey you need to see some of the other parts of ph , all I see here is a genuine exchange of ideas from different camps that like different things out of their cars but can still appreciate the other route .

[Mermaid]

Robbo66 said:

AndrewD said:

There is a lot of bhing and moaning on here I feel. Across multiple threads but often involving GT3 for some reason

Only really from those couple of 20,000 + posts who habitually snipe, and have never driven one, so utterly irrelevant as regards a measured worthwhile opinion.

Use the 'scroll over' function.....mines set to 'PDK Sport Plus'.

Chill guys - 991 GT3 is awesome, FACT. 991RS will probably be super awesome, if super raw and super unobtainable.

PDK/Manual - matters not -BMW/Audi tussle all the time and that's before you discuss the fuel/gearbox/e-diff/2wd or 4wd (Most powerful BM's will soon be 4wd I expect)

I have driven the GT3, it is an awesome bit of kit. Would I buy one at £180K? No. A LHD Speziale for me at that price.

[Robbo66]

Mermaid said:

Robbo66 said:

AndrewD said:

There is a lot of bhing and moaning on here I feel. Across multiple threads but often involving GT3 for some reason

Only really from those couple of 20,000 + posts who habitually snipe, and have never driven one, so utterly irrelevant as regards a measured worthwhile opinion.

Use the 'scroll over' function.....mines set to 'PDK Sport Plus'.

Chill guys - 991 GT3 is awesome, FACT. 991RS will probably be super awesome, if super raw and super unobtainable.

PDK/Manual - matters not -BMW/Audi tussle all the time and that's before you discuss the fuel/gearbox/e-diff/2wd or 4wd (Most powerful BM's will soon be 4wd I expect)

I have driven the GT3, it is an awesome bit of kit. Would I buy one at £180K? No. A LHD Speziale for me at that price.

Thats refreshing. Have you really driven the 991 3 ?. I may have to call custard here.