How much is a 991GT3RS allocation worth?
Discussion
APOLO1 said:
"Masterpiece", lol, just remind me how many have had new engines...? but I see your point, like I said above.
errr... and how many 991 GT3's have had new engines?... all of them. That doesn't necessarily make it any less good of a car.I'm not entirely disagreeing with what you say, but you do seem to contradict yourself quite a bit!
I don't doubt the 991GT3 is a great car, but on your logic then any car where there is not a "better" car out there for the same money should immediately appreciate until it's in some way in line... and i guess the "best" car in the world should immediately appreciate to infinity...
The reality is there are lots of ways we all calculate and compare "value" and only one of those is through the available alternatives.
hufggfg said:
errr... and how many 991 GT3's have had new engines?... all of them. That doesn't necessarily make it any less good of a car.
I'm not entirely disagreeing with what you say, but you do seem to contradict yourself quite a bit!
I don't doubt the 991GT3 is a great car, but on your logic then any car where there is not a "better" car out there for the same money should immediately appreciate until it's in some way in line... and i guess the "best" car in the world should immediately appreciate to infinity...
The reality is there are lots of ways we all calculate and compare "value" and only one of those is through the available alternatives.
but I never claimed that GT3 engine was a "masterpiece", ? lol...and for the best car in the world, not just my view but the view of 27 independent jurnos from around the planet..."Worlds best performance car 2104", an award that was given not only over the spz, but when no GT3 on the planet had an engine in it......like I said price,value, does not come into the topic. Taking into account that we are taking about a performance car, I would like to know what alternative "metric" for comparison you have in mind other than its counter parts..I'm not entirely disagreeing with what you say, but you do seem to contradict yourself quite a bit!
I don't doubt the 991GT3 is a great car, but on your logic then any car where there is not a "better" car out there for the same money should immediately appreciate until it's in some way in line... and i guess the "best" car in the world should immediately appreciate to infinity...
The reality is there are lots of ways we all calculate and compare "value" and only one of those is through the available alternatives.
At the end of the day another view from the fire side armchair. Is there any on here that has spent some real time as in a few K miles, in say a Gen 2 RS, and the 991GT3? genuinely like to hear the views.....
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Huge premiums on brand new luxury and sports cars, just like '88 
Not many new cars have premiums. Mclaren 12c and Ferrari 458 way under list now. 991 turbos are discounted. New hurracan already dropped below. Very different from 88. People buying quality now not anything as before. APOLO1 said:
but I never claimed that GT3 engine was a "masterpiece", ? lol...and for the best car in the world, not just my view but the view of 27 independent jurnos from around the planet..."Worlds best performance car 2104", an award that was given not only over the spz, but when no GT3 on the planet had an engine in it......like I said price,value, does not come into the topic. Taking into account that we are taking about a performance car, I would like to know what alternative "metric" for comparison you have in mind other than its counter parts..
At the end of the day another view from the fire side armchair. Is there any on here that has spent some real time as in a few K miles, in say a Gen 2 RS, and the 991GT3? genuinely like to hear the views.....
Look, I'm not disagreeing with a lot of what you say, BUT that doesn't mean what you say is 100% correct and everyone has to agree with you.At the end of the day another view from the fire side armchair. Is there any on here that has spent some real time as in a few K miles, in say a Gen 2 RS, and the 991GT3? genuinely like to hear the views.....
Many cars over the years have won "World's Best Performance Car" but they're not all worth double their list price.
There are LOTS of things that go into the "value" of a car. Rarity, performance, provenance of manufacturer, provenance of model specifically, fashion etc etc etc. The 2.7RS is now MEGA money, but it's almost certainly not a better thing to drive than a 991GT3. There are lots of things that go into value, and "how good is the car vs. others available" is not the only one.
I've not driven a 991GT3, but have many miles in my 997GT3. There's a good reason why I wouldn't wade into the "which is better" debate, as I don't have the experience to comment (though I have some informed views). But when it comes to discussing future values of these cars, then unless someone happens to have a time machine, then no one has an infalliable view, they are all just opinions. You think it'll be worth more than £200k and never come down, lots of people beg to differ. That's what makes a market!
APOLO1 said:
"Masterpiece", lol, just remind me how many have had new engines...? but I see your point, like I said above.
"parts bin" the parts bin is perfectly apt, I take it you are aware of just how much the 4.0 cost over the 3.8 Gen 2 in parts,? from the bin
Apolo you do know every single 991 gt3 engine was replaced right ?coloared to a handful of issues caused by an intake on the 4.0 ."parts bin" the parts bin is perfectly apt, I take it you are aware of just how much the 4.0 cost over the 3.8 Gen 2 in parts,? from the bin
Edited by APOLO1 on Tuesday 24th February 15:55
The mezger engine is a masterpiece . It's an engine that has competed and won at lemans . It's a beards wet dream mate . Listen to it tick over , hear it roar , no tin box dfi lump has a hope in hell for character coloared to the icon of ikons .
This is where apolo and I differ . The 4:0 is a masterclass a 911 that feels rear engined and you need skill to exploit to the maximum . The 991 is a great car , I love the engine , inlove the gearbox even but have both in a garage and I'd take the 4.0 every single time .
One more thing apolo , you CAN feel the systems working matey , at least I can
Edited by wtdoom on Tuesday 24th February 17:18
APOLO1 said:
Easy to see a good spec low miles 991GT3 CS, at 200k very soon...
APOLO - as an owner of both a LHD and RHD GT3, surely you see the craziness of the RHD prices ? If you really believe they will hit £200k are you saying that having the wheel on the right is worth double a LHD car. It's the same f'in car!!! ..or does the "I can only drive a RHD car" type of person signify the new UK GT3 buyer...To keep the thread on-track I think a UK RHD GT3RS will be at least £155k base, -so 175/180k spec'd.. and almost all UK cars won't see more than a couple of thousand miles in year 1, and 80% will change hands at least once in the first 18 months due to them being sold to non-enthusiasts / 'friends' of OPCs... there, I said it.
....therefore; allocation worth at least 60k on day 1
Edited by 54Kab on Tuesday 24th February 17:46
andy74b said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Huge premiums on brand new luxury and sports cars, just like '88
Not many new cars have premiums. Mclaren 12c and Ferrari 458 way under list now. 991 turbos are discounted. New hurracan already dropped below. Very different from 88. People buying quality now not anything as before. When ( if) the s
t comes down the mountain, the finest Orchids will get splattered too.54Kab said:
To keep the thread on-track I think a UK RHD GT3RS will be at least £155k base, -so 175/180k spec'd.. and almost all UK cars won't see more than a couple of thousand miles in year 1, and 80% will change hands at least once in the first 18 months due to them being sold to non-enthusiasts / 'friends' of OPCs... there, I said it.
Most will not see see 4 digits on the odometer, and a very large percentage will enjoy 2nd owners in the 1st 3 months, or is that 1st 3 weeks.Mermaid said:
andy74b said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Huge premiums on brand new luxury and sports cars, just like '88
Not many new cars have premiums. Mclaren 12c and Ferrari 458 way under list now. 991 turbos are discounted. New hurracan already dropped below. Very different from 88. People buying quality now not anything as before. When ( if) the s
t comes down the mountain, the finest Orchids will get splattered too.folk scrambling (with legal help) to get out of their deposited XJ220, which in the end, they actually paid £1000s NOT to take the car.
they are many many tales....
wtdoom said:
This is where apolo and I differ . The 4:0 is a masterclass a 911 that feels rear engined and you need skill to exploit to the maximum . The 991 is a great car , I love the engine , inlove the gearbox even but have both in a garage and I'd take the 4.0 every single time .
Which car do you prefer to "track"? Only these choices, not your CGT, 911 RS etc 54Kab said:
APOLO - as an owner of both a LHD and RHD GT3, surely you see the craziness of the RHD prices ? If you really believe they will hit £200k are you saying that having the wheel on the right is worth double a LHD car. It's the same f'in car!!! ..or does the "I can only drive a RHD car" type of person signify the new UK GT3 buyer...
To keep the thread on-track I think a UK RHD GT3RS will be at least £155k base, -so 175/180k spec'd.. and almost all UK cars won't see more than a couple of thousand miles in year 1, and 80% will change hands at least once in the first 18 months due to them being sold to non-enthusiasts / 'friends' of OPCs... there, I said it.
....therefore; allocation worth at least 60k on day 1
Its the simple rules of supply and demand on treasure island..To keep the thread on-track I think a UK RHD GT3RS will be at least £155k base, -so 175/180k spec'd.. and almost all UK cars won't see more than a couple of thousand miles in year 1, and 80% will change hands at least once in the first 18 months due to them being sold to non-enthusiasts / 'friends' of OPCs... there, I said it.
....therefore; allocation worth at least 60k on day 1
Edited by 54Kab on Tuesday 24th February 17:46
APOLO1 said:
At the end of the day another view from the fire side armchair. Is there any on here that has spent some real time as in a few K miles, in say a Gen 2 RS, and the 991GT3? genuinely like to hear the views.....
Ex 991GT3 owner. I was completely blown away with the speed of the 991 the acceleration is relentless, the way it carries speed through twisties is amazing. It is just FAST.and that for me was also the problem, thats all it is... FAST. for me it was nothing more.
The 7.2RS that replaced it is perhaps not as fast, but it is epic in every other way. It's more engaging, there isn't anything 'fake' about it. ( I'm not convinced that the chatter in the 991 wasn't engineered in as an after thought) You need two feet and two hands to make the RS work, you know you're in something special, even the wiggling of the gear knob before turning the key feels 'right'.
I am in no way knocking the 991, I believe it is progress personified. Progress makes things easy... for me the 991GT3 is not dissimilar to the Nissan GTR, and its not for me.
APOLO1 said:
At the end of the day another view from the fire side armchair. Is there any on here that has spent some real time as in a few K miles, in say a Gen 2 RS, and the 991GT3? genuinely like to hear the views.....
I'm sitting in my fireside armchair about to watch the footy, but I have spent a fair bit of time in both and as a said in another thread, I prefer the 997RS (lowly 3.8) to the 991 GT3. Yes, the 991 is faster, and more capable in pretty much every way. But the 997 RS is just one of those "epic" cars that is actually pretty hard to fault in any way (you can always wish for a bit more torque or a bit more speed or a bit more something else). In the end, despite the added pace and capability of the 991 it still has that extra layer of "something" between you and the road/corner/ditch or whatever and for some people that's the issue.The current 991 GT3 and the imminent RS are unlikely to be the best of the 991 series but the 7.2RS (either 3.8 or 4.0) certainly is.
Edited to add: I was using the word "epic" in regard to the 7.2RS at the same time as Mr Singh above.........
Edited by DT398 on Tuesday 24th February 19:55
wtdoom said:
Mermaid said:
Which car do you prefer to "track"? Only these choices, not your CGT, 911 RS etc
Need about one second to answer that one sir , 4.0 rs all day long .991 is a very special car but the 4.0 is a very special 911
Obviously this is only my opinion
APOLO1 said:
"Masterpiece", lol, just remind me how many have had new engines...? but I see your point, like I said above.
"parts bin" the parts bin is perfectly apt, I take it you are aware of just how much the 4.0 cost over the 3.8 Gen 2 in parts,? from the bin
I heard (Rumour, unsubstantiated.) that at one time there were 20 4.0RS in the pound at the OPC nearest to the ring all having new engines."parts bin" the parts bin is perfectly apt, I take it you are aware of just how much the 4.0 cost over the 3.8 Gen 2 in parts,? from the bin
It appears that all the best cars need a 2nd engine these days
hufggfg said:
APOLO1 said:
"Masterpiece", lol, just remind me how many have had new engines...? but I see your point, like I said above.
errr... and how many 991 GT3's have had new engines?... all of them. That doesn't necessarily make it any less good of a car.I'm not entirely disagreeing with what you say, but you do seem to contradict yourself quite a bit!
I don't doubt the 991GT3 is a great car, but on your logic then any car where there is not a "better" car out there for the same money should immediately appreciate until it's in some way in line... and i guess the "best" car in the world should immediately appreciate to infinity...
The reality is there are lots of ways we all calculate and compare "value" and only one of those is through the available alternatives.
5517 said:
APOLO1 said:
"Masterpiece", lol, just remind me how many have had new engines...? but I see your point, like I said above.
"parts bin" the parts bin is perfectly apt, I take it you are aware of just how much the 4.0 cost over the 3.8 Gen 2 in parts,? from the bin
I heard (Rumour, unsubstantiated.) that at one time there were 20 4.0RS in the pound at the OPC nearest to the ring all having new engines."parts bin" the parts bin is perfectly apt, I take it you are aware of just how much the 4.0 cost over the 3.8 Gen 2 in parts,? from the bin
It appears that all the best cars need a 2nd engine these days
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