How much is a 991GT3RS allocation worth?

[isaldiri]

wtdoom said:

The gt3 is very close to a cup car quote needs explaining further mate . If you are talking times you are losing massive credibility here . People on this part of PH know their stuff .

The ring time between the two is less than 2 seconds
At the ring that could be any number of variables . Don't forget tyre technology .

Take my friendly wager , I'm on cup 2s same as the 991 in 7 days . 4.0 is lighter , more powerful , has more torque , at least the same aero , rose jointed suspension and now tyres as good as the 991 . I bet the cup 2 is worth more than 2 seconds at the ring and is enough to make the 4.0 faster round silverstone .

Come on Bennett , let's party

Edited by wtdoom on Tuesday 24th February 21:37

Cmon now apolo.. Game on surely!

[5517]

Mermaid said:

A mediocre driver could drive the 991 GT3 very quickly

bks

[5517]

keep it lit said:

new 930s were well over £100k+.... two months later less than £30k.

Not true.

[5517]

[quote=wtdoom]

One more thing apolo , you CAN feel the systems working matey , at least I can

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In the 430 scud it was stupidly noticeable but in 2000 991 GT3 miles all with 9k rpm available and used and apart from when I aggravate it on purpose have never felt any intervention at all, zero, and at times have wondered where it is.

Driving 911's since 1987.


I assume that means im a moron who cant drive?


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Edited by 5517 on Wednesday 25th February 00:04

[5517]

av185 said:

Nice try

errrr... it was you that was TRYING not me.

Its human nature and if I had a 2015 Im sure I'd sing the same song in the exact same key but in reality its worth no more than a 2014 car.
A bit like a 1974 2.7 RS is worth not a penny more than a 1973 2.7 RS.

Edited by 5517 on Wednesday 25th February 00:13

[5517]

wtdoom said:

I bet I'm between 7/10 seconds faster than you in the old car I bring .

Taxed and Mot's? if yes then Impossible.

[wtdoom]

5517]tdoom said:

One more thing apolo , you CAN feel the systems working matey , at least I can

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In the 430 scud it was stupidly noticeable but in 2000 991 GT3 miles all with 9k rpm available and used and apart from when I aggravate it on purpose have never felt any intervention at all, zero, and at times have wondered where it is.

Driving 911's since 1987.


I assume that means im a moron who cant drive?


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Edited by 5517 on Wednesday 25th February 00:04

Means nothing of the sort , just means you can't feel the intervention

[wtdoom]

5517 said:

Taxed and Mot's? if yes then Impossible.

It's an fia 911 St . I didn't mean faster than the gt3 I meant in the St .

Point is our times would be very similar in the 991 but very different in the St . Sorry if unclear .

[keep it lit]

5517 said:

keep it lit said:

new 930s were well over £100k+.... two months later less than £30k.

Not true.

Ok sorry £25k

[APOLO1]

5517]tdoom said:

One more thing apolo , you CAN feel the systems working matey , at least I can

[/quote

In the 430 scud it was stupidly noticeable but in 2000 991 GT3 miles all with 9k rpm available and used and apart from when I aggravate it on purpose have never felt any intervention at all, zero, and at times have wondered where it is.

Driving 911's since 1987.


I assume that means im a moron who cant drive?


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Edited by 5517 on Wednesday 25th February 00:04

I am with Chris on this one 7.14 below, RWS "ON THE ROAD YOU JUST DONT FEEL IT"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVdme4ISq8Y

Same view for Walter, Autocar, and just about every other Jurno that has driven the 991GT3.......

over to you?
Q.E.D.....Again

Edited by APOLO1 on Wednesday 25th February 07:23

[Gandahar]

wtdoom said:

The gt3 is very close to a cup car quote needs explaining further mate . If you are talking times you are losing massive credibility here . People on this part of PH know their stuff .

The ring time between the two is less than 2 seconds
At the ring that could be any number of variables . Don't forget tyre technology .

Take my friendly wager , I'm on cup 2s same as the 991 in 7 days . 4.0 is lighter , more powerful , has more torque , at least the same aero , rose jointed suspension and now tyres as good as the 991 . I bet the cup 2 is worth more than 2 seconds at the ring and is enough to make the 4.0 faster round silverstone .

Come on Bennett , let's party

Edited by wtdoom on Tuesday 24th February 21:37

I thought the argument was about feel and tactility, the interaction with the manual gearbox etc, now it is down to lap times

On which it is interesting that with new technology ( PDK, increased from track, rws ) they can make a GT3 as fast (ish) as the old top of the pile lighter, more powerful special. Having said that I'd take the 4.0RS ... but both are fantastic cars.

Don't people who love RS cars from the 1970's complain about lack of interaction with later cars? "If you can't double de clutch, hand crank it and light the bi-candle headlights you ain't driving"

My assumption is the Porsche fanbase is going through the same thing as the Ferrari one a few years back.

Wait till 2025, 10 years hence. You'll hit a button which will take you at optimum speed down any road and just hang on for dear life.

[AndrewD]

I suspect people are mistaking what the new gt3 is, because they are looking for it to be like the old one.

Newsflash, it isn't. With rws in particular, it is more like a mid engined car. And a very good one at that, imo. But it is still just a car, it isn't going to defy the laws of physics or make a st driver good.

PH has become a bloody mumsnet bhfest, honestly. Just appreciate different cars for what they are ffs

[5517]

AndrewD said:

I suspect people are mistaking what the new gt3 is, because they are looking for it to be like the old one.

Newsflash, it isn't. With rws in particular, it is more like a mid engined car. And a very good one at that, imo. But it is still just a car, it isn't going to defy the laws of physics or make a st driver good.

PH has become a bloody mumsnet bhfest, honestly. Just appreciate different cars for what they are ffs

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^

I dont know how I get dragged into these discussions.

Note to self--- DONT. LOL

[PorscheGT4]

AndrewD said:

I suspect people are mistaking what the new gt3 is, because they are looking for it to be like the old one.

Newsflash, it isn't. With rws in particular, it is more like a mid engined car. And a very good one at that, imo. But it is still just a car, it isn't going to defy the laws of physics or make a st driver good.

but it will make a ave driver into one who can lap much faster !

[throt]

PorscheGT4 said:

AndrewD said:

I suspect people are mistaking what the new gt3 is, because they are looking for it to be like the old one.

Newsflash, it isn't. With rws in particular, it is more like a mid engined car. And a very good one at that, imo. But it is still just a car, it isn't going to defy the laws of physics or make a st driver good.

but it will make a ave driver into one who can lap much faster !

That goes for any enhancement. The GT3 is a fantastic car and a bloody bargain too..

[PorscheGT4]

throt said:

That goes for any enhancement. The GT3 is a fantastic car and a bloody bargain too..

may be but this was my point

"it isn't going to defy the laws of physics or make a **** driver good."

when in fact it does ! that has nothing to do with it being a good car or cheap, it can make ave drivers lap a lot faster than if they were in a GT3 RS 4.0.

[PorscheGT4]

AS for Values

it seems we are going to see a lot of RS cars for sale which is not great news.

Tom Hartley has one coming

Top 555 has >2 coming

seems the RS if you want one and can pay >£200 you can have one no issue.

[AndrewD]

PorscheGT4 said:

throt said:

That goes for any enhancement. The GT3 is a fantastic car and a bloody bargain too..

may be but this was my point

"it isn't going to defy the laws of physics or make a **** driver good."

when in fact it does ! that has nothing to do with it being a good car or cheap, it can make ave drivers lap a lot faster than if they were in a GT3 RS 4.0.

You need to have some perspective. Lap times on track days are literally miles off what any of these cars are capable of, for many reasons.

So an average driver can get from 50% to 55% of what the car can do, isn't really defying the laws of physics. Sorry, Porsche have not confounded Newton etc just yet!

[PorscheGT4]

AndrewD said:

You need to have some perspective. Lap times on track days are literally miles off what any of these cars are capable of, for many reasons.

So an average driver can get from 50% to 55% of what the car can do, isn't really defying the laws of physics. Sorry, Porsche have not confounded Newton etc just yet!

A st driver will always be st, I see many of them every day, they would prob crash a GT3 even an automatic one :-p

A driver of a high standard in a Automatic with a few aids will lap a lot faster than he would in a GT3RS 4.0

I am talking driving at 90% of what the car can do not 50%

take a ring lap time as an example, a Pro driver in the same car Automatic vs manual would be within a few seconds.
myself, I would be about 20 seconds faster in the Automatic on a ring lap.


or put it this way, get a Pro driver to set a time in both cars manual and automatic.

I would be closer to the pro's lap time in the automatic car.

Edited by PorscheGT4 on Wednesday 25th February 09:37

[isaldiri]

AndrewD said:

You need to have some perspective. Lap times on track days are literally miles off what any of these cars are capable of, for many reasons.

So an average driver can get from 50% to 55% of what the car can do, isn't really defying the laws of physics. Sorry, Porsche have not confounded Newton etc just yet!

GT4/mrdemon is right though. Modern sportscars are made a lot easier to drive these days with electronics doing increasingly more and more (blame the GTR for that which forced everyone to follow).

A speciale/12c nominally has very similar weight/specs to a CGT. For the average driver it will be a heck of a lot easier to drive the speciale much faster but in the hands of a really good driver I'll still fancy the CGT to be the faster car with equal tyres. Not disputing the 991 gt3 is a really good car but it also unquestionably is much easier to drive quickly (by that I mean in terms of being X% to a pro driver for an average driver) than the 997 gt3 much less 6 gt3.