GT3 RS Order Cancelled

[mollytherocker]

Buster73 said:

If I was in charge of production at Porsche I'd have ensured every confirmed order was fulfilled , maximising profit for the manafacturer and its retail partners.

Keeping things scarce added to the inevitable increase in second hand values doesn't help the manafacturer one bit , imho.

Porsche make more profit per car than any other manufacturer.

You think this is by accident and you can do better?

[Robbo66]

LordOfTheManor said:

I take your point, I was never born with a silver spoon. I foolishly expect a certain standard of service when spending in excess of 130k.

Maranello puts Cardiff OPC to shame.

I've heard that too, but only from a certain type. Reap what you sow IMO.

[anonymous-user]

Putting aside, for a moment, the difference in expectations of how one should be treated by a dealer who is getting £100+ of ones hard earned.....


.... Why do people hand over £10,000 if it's purely a speculative payment guaranteeing nothing?

Either £10k is an order or it is not! If it's not, why pay it?

[throt]

garyhun said:

Putting aside, for a moment, the difference in expectations of how one should be treated by a dealer who is getting £100+ of ones hard earned.....


.... Why do people hand over £10,000 if it's purely a speculative payment guaranteeing nothing?

Either £10k is an order or it is not! If it's not, why pay it?

Gary,, if you don't pay the 10k ( to show intent and to be put on the buying list ) then you definitely not going to get one..I had 2 10k's put down at 2 OPC's to secure my 991 GT3.

[Robbo66]

Because the Dealer has no real idea of its allocation on the halo models in many instances. Weissach keeps everyone in the dark it would appear. It's a game, with a £10,000 entry fee.

[Bieldside]

Having spoken with 6 OPCs in my stupid quest for a car last week it's clear that Porsche control the supply of cars
So a limited supply of cars means that not every depositor gets a car
If you are not high enough up the line you won't get one
Seems simple to me
If you think that a £10000 or any other deposit g'tees a car then sadly you are deluded
It's not the OPCs fault that demand outstrips supply
I was clearly told by my OPC that the GT3RS was not within my reach as they will get very few cars and the preferred customers get first option. And I get that 100%

[Sandy59]

A case in point the previous 4.0 RS.
Order book opened 9am then closed 2 hours later, with at least one OPC unable to get an actual deposit in time despite several letters of intent. No one knew the order book would be closed within such a short time, so a deposit in advance may have secured a car in this instance.

[APOLO1]

Sandy59 said:

A case in point the previous 4.0 RS.
Order book opened 9am then closed 2 hours later, with at least one OPC unable to get an actual deposit in time despite several letters of intent. No one knew the order book would be closed within such a short time, so a deposit in advance may have secured a car in this instance.

Think you will find in relation to the 4.0 the system was only open for s short time due to the fact that there were only 28 cars to load on it, all of which were to pre selected customers....

[anonymous-user]

throt said:

Gary,, if you don't pay the 10k ( to show intent and to be put on the buying list ) then you definitely not going to get one..I had 2 10k's put down at 2 OPC's to secure my 991 GT3.

Fair enough. Things have obviously changed since I last purchased a new Porsche.

[Sierra Mike]

SFO said:

rjn21 said:

Subject to the terms of the contract entered into with the dealer entity, which will likely provide that the dealer entity only has to provide a car if (i) they get one to sell, (ii) the customer has complied with their obligations, and (iii) time will not be of the essence for any of the dealer entity's obligations, meaning delivery dates (if the contract has not been terminated) are variable as the dealer elects and the purchaser cannot terminate for late delivery, providing the dealer still intends to proceed with the contract. None of us has seen the terms of the OP's purchase contract, so any commentary is speculation, but the terms of the standard form dealer sale contract will be in the dealer's favour. All subject to UCTA of course.

Any contractual issues are between dealer entity and purchaser, PCGB and PAG are not relevant. They should not be telling dealers how or to whom the sell cars, lest they be accused of attempting to introduce retail price maintenance, or other anti competitive practices.

completely agree

Agreed. One OPC got itself into trouble with the 4.0 RS and ended up with confirmed orders for two cars when it was only allocated a single car. Legal action followed and I'm told by a reliable source that the order for the second car was ultimately fulfilled. I believe the OPC amended its contract to ensure this didn't recur.

[Durzel]

The argument that OPCs have a right or that it's not even a bad thing to string customers along, take their deposit money for the purposes of just "proving to Porsche AG that they could sell more cars here" is bullst imo. That's not ethical in the slightest and it's staggering anyone would justify that behaviour. This is people's money we're talking about here, sat in Porsche's account accumulating interest. I get the specious argument that these deposits could provide leverage for that OPC securing an additional car, thus benefitting at least one more person, but to do that under false pretenses is at best deceptive and at worst criminal.

I fortunately do not have a dog in this fight but from what's been posted in here it sounds as if the extremely limited allocations for this car would mean the list of successful applicants would be as good as written before anyone has signed anything. 918 owners get first dibs, then people with extensive order histories, etc. That doesn't leave a lot/any space for mere mortals to get a sniff. I find it incredulous that any OPC wouldn't know this, which leaves the logical conclusion that some have been taking deposits and whispering sweet nothings into peoples ears with near zero chance of actually securing them a car.

It's also been intimated that individuals have knowledge of who is on the list, which sounds at the very least like an abuse of data protection. Obviously at this end of the market the chances are that owners will be familiar to eachother already, but that's besides the point really.

I don't think anyone could complain if OPCs were upfront in telling customers that gave LOI or deposits that they had very little chance, thus putting the onus on them to decide whether to proceed. That's some distance away from gleefully taking their money when statistically given what we know for a fact (e.g. 918 owners getting first shout) the chances of any "normal" Porsche customer getting one was vanishingly unlikely from the beginning.

Edited by Durzel on Monday 9th March 14:06

[Kidhaa]

I think it depends on the dealership.

My first gt3 was a 997 gen1
I was then lucky enough to get the RS4.0, was the first LOI in place

Re the 991rs, my OPC only took a deposit from me when it was confirmed which was last week, prior it was only LOI.

[drmark]

I am confused. I missed out but OPC handled professionally and offered to put me on list for 2016 allocation
What 2016 allocation??

[Sandy59]

Present allocations are for 2015, presumably more for 2016 in due course ??

[throt]

Sandy59 said:

Present allocations are for 2015, presumably more for 2016 in due course ??

I get my LOI in, if thats the case . haha.

[RSVP911]

Durzel said:

The argument that OPCs have a right or that it's not even a bad thing to string customers along, take their deposit money for the purposes of just "proving to Porsche AG that they could sell more cars here" is bullst imo. That's not ethical in the slightest and it's staggering anyone would justify that behaviour. This is people's money we're talking about here, sat in Porsche's account accumulating interest. I get the specious argument that these deposits could provide leverage for that OPC securing an additional car, thus benefitting at least one more person, but to do that under false pretenses is at best deceptive and at worst criminal.

I fortunately do not have a dog in this fight but from what's been posted in here it sounds as if the extremely limited allocations for this car would mean the list of successful applicants would be as good as written before anyone has signed anything. 918 owners get first dibs, then people with extensive order histories, etc. That doesn't leave a lot/any space for mere mortals to get a sniff. I find it incredulous that any OPC wouldn't know this, which leaves the logical conclusion that some have been taking deposits and whispering sweet nothings into peoples ears with near zero chance of actually securing them a car.

It's also been intimated that individuals have knowledge of who is on the list, which sounds at the very least like an abuse of data protection. Obviously at this end of the market the chances are that owners will be familiar to eachother already, but that's besides the point really.

I don't think anyone could complain if OPCs were upfront in telling customers that gave LOI or deposits that they had very little chance, thus putting the onus on them to decide whether to proceed. That's some distance away from gleefully taking their money when statistically given what we know for a fact (e.g. 918 owners getting first shout) the chances of any "normal" Porsche customer getting one was vanishingly unlikely from the beginning.

Edited by Durzel on Monday 9th March 14:06

Just for the sake of balance : my OPC have been really up front with me , they have made it clear that I may , or may not get a car and that they can only know this when thier allocation is 100 % confirmed and once they know this they will let me know if I have a car. On this basis I decided to "have a go" as you have to "be in it to win it" and as such I am happy to wait and see. I also think that it is entirely reasonable to allocate the cars out in any way that they like - it is thier asset and they should allocate as they see fit . If it was mine , I would allocate on the basis of future revenue stream - simple as that . They seem to get a lot of grief for acting in a sensible and up front manor - I really don't get it

[benjj]

I think a lot of this unpleasantness could be avoided if OPCs that take deposits are forced to pay a small percentage of monthly interest on returned (unsuccessful) deposits.

It would at least make the buying process clear and unambiguous as they'd have to be careful who they took money from in the first place.

[LordOfTheManor]

We are going back to the days when Porsche had 4 or 5 owners on a car within it's first year.

I'm old enough to remember these days whilst some of the OPC dealers are not.

Porsche returned to the enthusiasts for a short time, but now they've gone back to the 80's.

[RSVP911]

benjj said:

I think a lot of this unpleasantness could be avoided if OPCs that take deposits are forced to pay a small percentage of monthly interest on returned (unsuccessful) deposits.

It would at least make the buying process clear and unambiguous as they'd have to be careful who they took money from in the first place.

I guess , but with IR's at virtually nothing , what's the point

[AndrewIC]

I can try to understand peoples frustration if they have bought multiple cars from an OPC.

I know of chap who has a serious car collection, including over 20 Porsche, heavy with GT/RS of the last 30 years, most bought new.

What surprised me when speaking with him, was that Porsche said he could have either an RS 4.0 or a GT2 RS, not both. So how many you bought/buy, clearly doesn't entitle you to a car...which does seem a bit odd, as it would appear to be the other way with Ferrari.