How to buy a new GT car from Porsche? Impossible?
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Having had my fingers burnt on both the GT4 and GT3 RS, with LOI in on both a long time ago, deposits paid etc. How on earth do normal folk, who are not multi millionaires who buy 3 or 4 Porsch's a year, get to buy one of these things now that the LOI system has been trashed?
Is it based on OPC ass kissing?
Brown envelopes?
Buy a car you don't want with a promise on a secondary agreement for a GT car build slot later?
Dark arts?
Or just wait till they come back on the 2nd hand market and pay the premium?
For all the guys on here with GT4 slots, and new RS slots, how did you do it?
Is it based on OPC ass kissing?
Brown envelopes?
Buy a car you don't want with a promise on a secondary agreement for a GT car build slot later?
Dark arts?
Or just wait till they come back on the 2nd hand market and pay the premium?
For all the guys on here with GT4 slots, and new RS slots, how did you do it?
k em, I won't lose sleep over it.
CarNutJob said:
Having had my fingers burnt on both the GT4 and GT3 RS, with LOI in on both a long time ago, deposits paid etc. How on earth do normal folk, who are not multi millionaires who buy 3 or 4 Porsch's a year, get to buy one of these things now that the LOI system has been trashed?
Is it based on OPC ass kissing?
Brown envelopes?
Buy a car you don't want with a promise on a secondary agreement for a GT car build slot later?
Dark arts?
Or just wait till they come back on the 2nd hand market and pay the premium?
For all the guys on here with GT4 slots, and new RS slots, how did you do it?
Buy an OPC?Is it based on OPC ass kissing?
Brown envelopes?
Buy a car you don't want with a promise on a secondary agreement for a GT car build slot later?
Dark arts?
Or just wait till they come back on the 2nd hand market and pay the premium?
For all the guys on here with GT4 slots, and new RS slots, how did you do it?
It's quite clever by Porsche....not only do you now have to be a long term customer but I imagine to get the "invitation" you also need to have done a lot of long term business with a single dealer for them to nominate you (which is how I assume this will work). i.e. You can't go constantly shopping for best prices and screwing dealers to the floor is you want to get the exclusive invitation. Also because it's a Porsche GB policy if all the dealer arse kissing doesn't work they can just say "it's not my fault".
People who bought 918s were guaranteed cars and were bounced to the top of the list. Doesn't solve the need to have access to a million quid though sadly. Obviously they would all take the option I would expect (confirmed by anecdotal stories) - if they don't want to keep it they can flip them for a healthy profit, though one suspects that for at least some it is a solution to having an RHD car to compliment their hybrid megatoy.
It is all annoying though. I have been driving GT3s as my main car for 9 years now, but Porsche won't sell me a new one. It is difficult to say anything nice about the company in that context - especially in the case of the Cayman GT4 when such availability issues are constrained to the UK market only.
Still - with imminent quantitive easing on the continent likely to further strengthen the £ against the Euro, the option of adding a lightly used LHD GT3 to the fleet will get progressively more compelling as the year progresses.
It is all annoying though. I have been driving GT3s as my main car for 9 years now, but Porsche won't sell me a new one. It is difficult to say anything nice about the company in that context - especially in the case of the Cayman GT4 when such availability issues are constrained to the UK market only.
Still - with imminent quantitive easing on the continent likely to further strengthen the £ against the Euro, the option of adding a lightly used LHD GT3 to the fleet will get progressively more compelling as the year progresses.
AndrewD said:
Why do you assume it is all underhanded?
Look it it if you had several Porsches and had bought many in the past. How would you feel if you didn't get a car?
+1Look it it if you had several Porsches and had bought many in the past. How would you feel if you didn't get a car?
And if you are a dealer with a limited allocation - with no way of knowing this would be the case - would you not want to sell to the people who have given you custom before, speak well of you and bring their cars back to be serviced by you. There is no 'scam' here the dealers make the same profit from the car sale whoever they sell to. I can see nothing wrong with them selling to someone who has shown a little loyalty to them rather than someone who has rung around every OPC and put their name down on a list of interest.
It is unfortunate that the GT4 has had a limited run and that kind of everyone wanted it but I suspect a good majority of the people who will get one had had there ear to the ground, paid attention to the gossip and made their local OPC aware that they where ready to buy. It's not to with how much money they have.
DiscoColin said:
People who bought 918s were guaranteed cars and were bounced to the top of the list. Doesn't solve the need to have access to a million quid though sadly. Obviously they would all take the option I would expect (confirmed by anecdotal stories) - if they don't want to keep it they can flip them for a healthy profit, though one suspects that for at least some it is a solution to having an RHD car to compliment their hybrid megatoy.
It is all annoying though. I have been driving GT3s as my main car for 9 years now, but Porsche won't sell me a new one. It is difficult to say anything nice about the company in that context - especially in the case of the Cayman GT4 when such availability issues are constrained to the UK market only.
Still - with imminent quantitive easing on the continent likely to further strengthen the £ against the Euro, the option of adding a lightly used LHD GT3 to the fleet will get progressively more compelling as the year progresses.
This just in from a prominent 918 customer on Rennteam:It is all annoying though. I have been driving GT3s as my main car for 9 years now, but Porsche won't sell me a new one. It is difficult to say anything nice about the company in that context - especially in the case of the Cayman GT4 when such availability issues are constrained to the UK market only.
Still - with imminent quantitive easing on the continent likely to further strengthen the £ against the Euro, the option of adding a lightly used LHD GT3 to the fleet will get progressively more compelling as the year progresses.
I am beyond pissed right now.
just got off the phone with my dealer and shot off an email to Stuttgart.
My dealer told me Porsche Canada do not consider the GT3RS to be a limited model and hence not part of the 918 VIP Program, they will import more than 50 of them to Canada. I didn't pay my deposit until yesterday and right now I sit NUMBER 19!!!!!!?????!!!!!! Seriously. They can't even guarantee me a car yet. I know eventually they will juggle something and get me a car, but really, it that how you treat a customer who just paid them a million dollars?
Anyway, GT3RS is, like the GT3, a time limited model, not number limited, that's the good news to just about everyone else.
With it being only a time limited model, I am a little bit less interested in it. I like it for what it is, but right now a Cup car seems more attractive to me. Hell, I might even go for a Challenge car from Ferrari just because Porsche just pissed me off.
TheAnimal said:
This just in from a prominent 918 customer on Rennteam:
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Just means some more schmuck is going to get his place bumped for mr 918 owner shortly.....which in a sense having spent a million bucks he is entitled to i suppose but it is not entirely obvious the guy getting screwed might not be as much if not more of a proper Porsche enthusiast. Still who says life is fair......
personally think build to order for a first come first serve list is the least bad way to sort allocations but again i can see why regular buyers probably rightly feel they should be rewarded for that loyalty as well.
Ive read the other posts made elsewhere by the Op and he's got plenty of absolutely fair beef with Porsche.
As for money making a difference, trust me, it doesn't. Tried, failed, tried again, gave up, bought a mint low mileage 997.2 GT3RS instead. Much happier that I did frankly. What a car.
Last money I'll spend on a Porsche though.
As for money making a difference, trust me, it doesn't. Tried, failed, tried again, gave up, bought a mint low mileage 997.2 GT3RS instead. Much happier that I did frankly. What a car.
Last money I'll spend on a Porsche though.
Edited by _Leg_ on Thursday 5th March 23:28
I reckon Porsche could make all this go away with 600 more RHD GT4s and 400 more RHD GT3 RSs. £100m worth of sales for Porsche, lots of happy UK customers, more people into GT cars enjoying their product and becoming advocates, speculators are history, huge additional profits from servicing and re-sales, huge profits from finance and insurance sales.
Build 900 UK GT4 RS's in RHD too please.
Build 900 UK GT4 RS's in RHD too please.
utgjon said:
Am I the only one thinking that owning a 918 should do the opposite of bumping you to the top of the list for the GT3RS?
I mean ... c'mon ... you've got a 918! Leave something for the rest of us, aye?
Well, there is a guy ( on another forum ) in Canada with a 918 and his struggling to get a RS. However, he did say they will probably juggle the balls for him so he gets one.I mean ... c'mon ... you've got a 918! Leave something for the rest of us, aye?
Should another buyer get bumped off for him, I don't think so, imo. And I know someone has got to have the balls to tell him so after spending all that money on a 918.
This subject really is a grey area. In my experience on my 991 GT3, you really have to chase the OPC during the whole buying process. I placed my deposit and then I went very quiet, not pestering the OPC,, then I got the bad news. I really think that they thought that I wasn't that bothered about getting one or not. However, I secured one elsewhere eventually.
Also, and imo, it matters how your going to purchase the vehicle. I got the impression they do not like outright purchases, they prefer a HP buying methods to secure repeat business when your final payment is due..
Good luck guys.
CarNutJob said:
I reckon Porsche could make all this go away with 600 more RHD GT4s and 400 more RHD GT3 RSs. £100m worth of sales for Porsche, lots of happy UK customers, more people into GT cars enjoying their product and becoming advocates, speculators are history, huge additional profits from servicing and re-sales, huge profits from finance and insurance sales.
Build 900 UK GT4 RS's in RHD too please.
If Porsche thought that would be more profitable, that's what they would do.Build 900 UK GT4 RS's in RHD too please.
I am guessing making these halo models and keeping them in limited supply, generates more interest and sales in the cooking models, in the long run.
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