The hunt for a GT3RS
Discussion
DT398 said:
Inverted said:
LHD not an option?
It is. You can get a slot in Europe quite easily."The turbocharger continues its march across some of our most cherished engines. The next batch of Porsche 911s will get blowers for the mainstream models, Porsche's engineering chief Wolfgang Hatz told us at the Detroit show.
"You have to respect legal requirements [for lower CO2], so yes we're thinking turbos for standard 911s. You can't afford to keep an engine for 10 years any more."
He had earlier explained that the new 911 GT3 RS, which will be launched in March at the Geneva show, features an all-new very powerful naturally aspirated engine. A version of that engine, with turbos but less power, strangely, will be what's in the facelifted 911s in 2016.
"Emissions are important for us," said Hatz, "And we will reduce faster than the industry. Every new model will have lower CO2 than before. There aren't so many technologies to do it. If you look at euro per g/km then it's turbo. Then at the end of the decade electrification has to be the next huge step." Does that mean a hybrid for the all-new 911? "Yes." With expertise from the 918 and 919 racer, Porsche is in a good position"
Mermaid said:
DT398 said:
Inverted said:
LHD not an option?
It is. You can get a slot in Europe quite easily."The turbocharger continues its march across some of our most cherished engines. The next batch of Porsche 911s will get blowers for the mainstream models, Porsche's engineering chief Wolfgang Hatz told us at the Detroit show.
"You have to respect legal requirements [for lower CO2], so yes we're thinking turbos for standard 911s. You can't afford to keep an engine for 10 years any more."
He had earlier explained that the new 911 GT3 RS, which will be launched in March at the Geneva show, features an all-new very powerful naturally aspirated engine. A version of that engine, with turbos but less power, strangely, will be what's in the facelifted 911s in 2016.
"Emissions are important for us," said Hatz, "And we will reduce faster than the industry. Every new model will have lower CO2 than before. There aren't so many technologies to do it. If you look at euro per g/km then it's turbo. Then at the end of the decade electrification has to be the next huge step." Does that mean a hybrid for the all-new 911? "Yes." With expertise from the 918 and 919 racer, Porsche is in a good position"
as to those that lament the imprecise throttle associated with turbos, what you want is the cooking version not the ultimate track hero.
With regards to the ol skool way, the 4.0 is the last of the breed, it is a distinct break. HPAS, an ability to dance without electronics and most importantly, a manual to make you work. RS will never be the same again. They will be more exciting and faster though, in a different way and not necessarily bad. I used to think 9.1 GT3 is not a true GT, but on track that speed, that ability just blows you away. Nothing to me indicates the next gen rs won't be faster and more exciting to drive.
BTW, has anyone complained the P1 /918/Laferrari driving experience is s
t? Not that many, including myself , have driven one.HokumPokum said:
I think there is too much hangup over this.IMO, the game has moved on already. There is nothing to suggest porsche cannot engineer emotion into their cars like an F40. Then what, the turbo powered cars are an ecu chip away from blowing the doors off a 991 RS. Electronics and 4ws and advanced stability systems already exist to make you go faster and will be further refined to take advantage of the turbocharged boost. Yes, the 991 RS is an aero beast but surely, the next gen will be better and faster on track.
as to those that lament the imprecise throttle associated with turbos, what you want is the cooking version not the ultimate track hero.
With regards to the ol skool way, the 4.0 is the last of the breed, it is a distinct break. HPAS, an ability to dance without electronics and most importantly, a manual to make you work. RS will never be the same again. They will be more exciting and faster though, in a different way and not necessarily bad. I used to think 9.1 GT3 is not a true GT, but on track that speed, that ability just blows you away. Nothing to me indicates the next gen rs won't be faster and more exciting to drive.
BTW, has anyone complained the P1 /918/Laferrari driving experience is st? Not that many, including myself , have driven one.
I have done quite a lot of driving in a LaF and an Enzo (and a little in a 918), so this is probably quite a good comparable to comment on the fear of electrification or turbocharging of a 911 GT or RS model, and whether this would be considered progress....as to those that lament the imprecise throttle associated with turbos, what you want is the cooking version not the ultimate track hero.
With regards to the ol skool way, the 4.0 is the last of the breed, it is a distinct break. HPAS, an ability to dance without electronics and most importantly, a manual to make you work. RS will never be the same again. They will be more exciting and faster though, in a different way and not necessarily bad. I used to think 9.1 GT3 is not a true GT, but on track that speed, that ability just blows you away. Nothing to me indicates the next gen rs won't be faster and more exciting to drive.
BTW, has anyone complained the P1 /918/Laferrari driving experience is s
t? Not that many, including myself , have driven one.The Enzo, with its analogue robotised gear change requires patience and a little technique to get the best from it...The LaF is just pulling a paddle, and being in awe at the total lack of interruption to its forward thrust.
On full throttle in the Enzo, the noise as the revs build in incredible....If its damp, when you accelerate on full throttle, you wonder if the TC will help out this time, or whether it'll just snap sideways...the anticipation is exciting and terrifying..! The LaF by contrast has far more sophisticated stability systems, so it'll take full throttle more readily, and you have the ability to control the threshold of TC intervention via the switch. You don't notice that all the electronics are helping you, they just operate un-noticed in the background (much like RWS on a 991 GT3)
On balance, both are exciting. I don't own either, but if I could only chose 1, it would be the LaF.
The comparison between a 997 4.0 and 991 GT3 is similar to Enzo and LaF I think...and I'd chose a 991 GT3 (which I do own) over a 4.0. On this basis, I'm surely going to prefer the next version of the GT3, and be in awe at the torque and lack of turbo lag from its turbocharged smaller capacity engine....?
Have I opened a can of worms here...!
IREvans said:
HokumPokum said:
I think there is too much hangup over this.IMO, the game has moved on already. There is nothing to suggest porsche cannot engineer emotion into their cars like an F40. Then what, the turbo powered cars are an ecu chip away from blowing the doors off a 991 RS. Electronics and 4ws and advanced stability systems already exist to make you go faster and will be further refined to take advantage of the turbocharged boost. Yes, the 991 RS is an aero beast but surely, the next gen will be better and faster on track.
as to those that lament the imprecise throttle associated with turbos, what you want is the cooking version not the ultimate track hero.
With regards to the ol skool way, the 4.0 is the last of the breed, it is a distinct break. HPAS, an ability to dance without electronics and most importantly, a manual to make you work. RS will never be the same again. They will be more exciting and faster though, in a different way and not necessarily bad. I used to think 9.1 GT3 is not a true GT, but on track that speed, that ability just blows you away. Nothing to me indicates the next gen rs won't be faster and more exciting to drive.
BTW, has anyone complained the P1 /918/Laferrari driving experience is st? Not that many, including myself , have driven one.
I have done quite a lot of driving in a LaF and an Enzo (and a little in a 918), so this is probably quite a good comparable to comment on the fear of electrification or turbocharging of a 911 GT or RS model, and whether this would be considered progress....as to those that lament the imprecise throttle associated with turbos, what you want is the cooking version not the ultimate track hero.
With regards to the ol skool way, the 4.0 is the last of the breed, it is a distinct break. HPAS, an ability to dance without electronics and most importantly, a manual to make you work. RS will never be the same again. They will be more exciting and faster though, in a different way and not necessarily bad. I used to think 9.1 GT3 is not a true GT, but on track that speed, that ability just blows you away. Nothing to me indicates the next gen rs won't be faster and more exciting to drive.
BTW, has anyone complained the P1 /918/Laferrari driving experience is s
t? Not that many, including myself , have driven one.The Enzo, with its analogue robotised gear change requires patience and a little technique to get the best from it...The LaF is just pulling a paddle, and being in awe at the total lack of interruption to its forward thrust.
On full throttle in the Enzo, the noise as the revs build in incredible....If its damp, when you accelerate on full throttle, you wonder if the TC will help out this time, or whether it'll just snap sideways...the anticipation is exciting and terrifying..! The LaF by contrast has far more sophisticated stability systems, so it'll take full throttle more readily, and you have the ability to control the threshold of TC intervention via the switch. You don't notice that all the electronics are helping you, they just operate un-noticed in the background (much like RWS on a 991 GT3)
On balance, both are exciting. I don't own either, but if I could only chose 1, it would be the LaF.
The comparison between a 997 4.0 and 991 GT3 is similar to Enzo and LaF I think...and I'd chose a 991 GT3 (which I do own) over a 4.0. On this basis, I'm surely going to prefer the next version of the GT3, and be in awe at the torque and lack of turbo lag from its turbocharged smaller capacity engine....?
Have I opened a can of worms here...!
paddles make the car exciting on a race track and the speed is ming boggling. From that aspect, I wouldn't mind a PDK Gt4 to add.
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