Ken at Nine Excellence lied to me...

Ken at Nine Excellence lied to me...

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IMIA

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Saturday 28th March 2015
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9e 28 at VMAX Stealth

60-186 mph in 24 secs in slightly damp conditions = 0-186 mph in 27 secs assuming 0-60 mph 3 secs (we weren't launching hard for obvious reasons)

On a flat road the 997.1 turbo 9e 28 package is easily good enough for 25-26 secs as Brunters is on a slight incline and not the best surface. The cars easily two second quicker than Ken quotes lol! He also says 9e 28 has 640 bhp but quite a few Brunters veterans say that you need 720 bhp to break 200 mph at Brunters.

The package has been improved with IPD Competition 82mm Plenum and GT3 throttle body to be fair since it was first put on the market. Perhaps time to call it the 9e 26....

We weren't using full track today but she still achieved a top speed of 202.3 mph GPS verified within1.5 miles driven by Chris Mann on his own. I was only v.slightly slower two up at 201.7mph biglaugh

Steve Baker

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210 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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IMIA said:
I was only v.slightly slower two up at 201.7mph biglaugh
Wow! And still alive to tell the tale !!! biggrin What's it like hanging on for 200 mph ?eek

Scooty100

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115 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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Good old Ken, Under promise over deliver......

IMIA

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Steve Baker said:
IMIA said:
I was only v.slightly slower two up at 201.7mph biglaugh
Wow! And still alive to tell the tale !!! biggrin What's it like hanging on for 200 mph ?eek
Car was an absolute pussy cat. Honestly my grandmother could have her past 200 mph one handed.

LaSource

2,622 posts

207 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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Ken's been churning out some nutty cars wink

He keeps taking the top places wherever his cars compete.

IMIA

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Scooty100 said:
Good old Ken, Under promise over deliver......
Being Brunters Ken thought we'd do well to maybe cover 60-186 mph in 27 secs. I think he was chuffed to bits that one of his baby packages was so much quicker than he expected.

Chris managed to run neck and neck with a Veyron at full chat to approx 110 mph which is incredible for a lightly fettled turbo with no internal mods. Couldn't believe what I was seeing as the Veyron was properly on it!

TB993tt

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240 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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Big crongrats IM, how was the wind was it full tail or was there some sideways buffeting ?

TB993tt

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MDahmen said:
don't know much about engine tuning, but what I always wonder about is how reliable these engines are if you mainly drive on the autobahn - do they take 100s of km of highload or will you then need a rebuild after a significantly shorter period of time than on a stock engine. I have had significant distances of full throttle where you only brake for somebody in the lfet lane (think salzburg to frankfurt in the very early morning) so basically put a lot of strain on the engine for long periods of time. also why does engine tuning by Ruf or RS tuning cost so much more than non-german providers? just curious if people can shine some light on that as 600plus hp that lead to the engine lunching itself after say 30k km on the autobahn would be a rather expensive thing to do for me (basically one rebuild per year)
It's all about the boost. German tuners have to tune for the autobahn for the reasons you describe so they have to get the power through efficiency not boost. Efficiency means cams, extensive head and combustion chamber work,correctly sized intake pipes and manifolds, special low friction short pistons, running the crankcase in a vacuum, tuned exhaust manifolds, expensive aerospace quality intercoolers and state of the art K24 turbos.
Cup radiators help keep the water temps down and this sort of engine can keep intake temps under 55C using 1.1 bar boost in hot Bavarian summers even when used and loaded autobahn style.
Modern electronics have lots of temperature sensors so for example the engines can be tuned so that if the exhaust temp goes over 980C the ECU will reduce boost to lower it so a properly tuned engine should last your 30K km even with reliable 700hp.

TB993tt

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240 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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Good question, I don't know the answer. I guess if you use the performance all the time like on the autobahn a 700hp engine is going to wear out quicker than a factory ~500hp one even if the heat is kept at factory levels. Even with strong pistons rods etc the crank bearings are the same so I guess they will wear out quicker because of the massively increased torque. Oil changes every 3 to 4000 miles is par and we use the fancy Motul 300V stuff.

The other thing you have to consider is gearboxes, when you go over 750NM your higher gears will wear out pretty quickly. I have replaced 3rd a couple of times in my 993 and the 997 destroyed a 6th gear recently. The LSD needs uprating as well, 800+NM of torque will cause movement in the standard unit.


200Plus Club

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277 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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I'm still buzzing! Many many thanks to Imran for being the generous (crazy) petrolhead he obviously is to chuck the keys to his 911 turbo to me today.
Was my first ever drive of a 911 for myself and my first sighting run was 190mph in the damp in a beautifully tractable and stable car. A child could literally drive that car on track its so stable and sorted.
My first 200mph run was on run no2 and once i realised the awesome brakes were upto it then 202.3mph flashed up in no time. I didnt launch hard as it was someone elses pride n joy and on a fairly sharp paddle clutch so my best 0to60 was only 4.1s but boy does that car shift once rolling.
I know nothing of the tuner and have never heard of him or met him till today but I'd have one of those turbo kits in an instant. The car drove so well. I'm still on a high after such an excellent day. We kicked a few supercar butts and i had the match of a veyron side by side for a while but by crikey those things move once they wind up.

I did 200mph in just over a mile on 5 occasions in total and then watched the owner potter off home at the end of the day :-)
Imran you are a true gent and i thank youfrom the bottom of my heart for the v max experience today

StuB

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238 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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Cracking result, chuffed for you OP. Did a Veyron really do a 224 & beat Henriks 9 EXX?

IMIA

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200Plus Club said:
I'm still buzzing! Many many thanks to Imran for being the generous (crazy) petrolhead he obviously is to chuck the keys to his 911 turbo to me today.
Was my first ever drive of a 911 for myself and my first sighting run was 190mph in the damp in a beautifully tractable and stable car. A child could literally drive that car on track its so stable and sorted.
My first 200mph run was on run no2 and once i realised the awesome brakes were upto it then 202.3mph flashed up in no time. I didnt launch hard as it was someone elses pride n joy and on a fairly sharp paddle clutch so my best 0to60 was only 4.1s but boy does that car shift once rolling.
I know nothing of the tuner and have never heard of him or met him till today but I'd have one of those turbo kits in an instant. The car drove so well. I'm still on a high after such an excellent day. We kicked a few supercar butts and i had the match of a veyron side by side for a while but by crikey those things move once they wind up.

I did 200mph in just over a mile on 5 occasions in total and then watched the owner potter off home at the end of the day :-)
Imran you are a true gent and i thank you from the bottom of my heart for the v max experience today
My pleasure Chris. It was great fun! I wonder what she'll do at the Welsh VMAX in July? 5 miles of smooth tarmac!!




IMIA

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StuB said:
Cracking result, chuffed for you OP. Did a Veyron really do a 224 & beat Henriks 9 EXX?
Wasn't Henriks car but it was a 9e XX. I think the 9e XX had the legs on the Veyron but the owner was new to the 9e XX power kit and was struggling for traction as it was damp. If Henrik had been driving I think she'd have been good for maybe 230mph. Having said that the Veyron would also probably be quicker with Henrik at the wheel as he's a VMAX veteran and quite mad from the vids I've seen! I was out in the 9eXX with Ken yesterday and she's shockingly fast.

IMIA

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TB993tt said:
Big crongrats IM, how was the wind was it full tail or was there some sideways buffeting ?
Side winds were quite scary at times. Not sure on tail winds tbh. Weren't ideal conditions today. I was struggling for traction at launch on Cup 2s and damp. The surface at Brunters is terrible tbh.

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Saturday 28th March 2015
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IMIA said:
My pleasure Chris. It was great fun! I wonder what she'll do at the Welsh VMAX in July? 5 miles of smooth tarmac!!



Intrigued by this new venue! 205 to 210mph i guess on that gearing in the right conditions

StuB

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Saturday 28th March 2015
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That makes sense regarding 9 EXX, it must take some acclimatisation. What did the UGR Lambo do?

From personal experience, 9E are a fantastic outfit & no surprise the real world performance of you lovely 997 Turbo over delivers/under promises. Is there any vids of yours against the Veyron?

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Saturday 28th March 2015
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There were lots of people filming my run against the Veyron I'm just hoping to see one soon. Just found this on the net, la ferrari vs veyron today. Was v similar incar from the 911 against the veyron. La Ferrari did 206mph today so only 3.3mph faster than Imran's somewhat less expensive supercar!

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DRAG RACE: LaFerrari vs Bugatti Veyron - Vmax Stealth: https://youtu.be/zkqSVm__UIU

La ferrari vs Veyron

911Viking

299 posts

143 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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9e Ken has a bit of reputation for being dishonest... When it comes to performance :big laugh:

Every single car he has build me through the years have been faster than promised. We never talk dyno power only reality i.e. 0-300 and now 0-400 kph. Same goes for my track car, we talk cornering speeds, braking distance, lap times etc. And he is annoyingly always spot on or better.

My first 9e25 ran solidly 23 sec 0-300, my next 9e20 car did a 17 sec 0-300 and my 9e17 did 0-300 in 16 sec... Then we started building a more serious car which back in 2012 at its first run set the current Vmax record. Was a little exciting day, wet windy and the braking zone was full of parked cars. Quite exciting approaching them through the speed traps with 225/226 all day. Passengers though did not share my excitement and only wanted that single run?? End of the day, I turned power up a little and went out on my own and did 3 runs, 227, 228 & 230.

I kept PAX laps a little conservative not to scare them too much... Here is Schmee's video from our little play, it was on the record day... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTMDJlxq44E

Here is another little clip of a shake down a few years ago, we were testing Aero and GEO. Note the brake point is already at the black marker, a lot earlier than on a Vmax day and I comfortably make the first corner without using the long brake zone available on a Vmax day. This wasn't even trying, didn't realize the 227.6 until I came back to Ken in the wait area. FYI, the A3 I pass on my left hand is puddling along at 75mph. He was not happy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBsr3Cp4Ujc

Today the car is a lot faster, I mean proper quick like in humiliating the fastest super bikes you can think of. I have done loads of it. Also done 50-350 vs a Veyron resulting in the Bug dude thinking his Veyron was broken. Its a different ball game vs the old record setting car, the new 9eXX actually scares me a little. Its such a handful under acceleration in all gears, RWD & ZERO electronics. Not careful, it will light the rears up on the dry at 150mph... 5th is 210mph and when throwing it in 6th it pulls stupid hard again quite a bit further than a Veyron SS.

When Ken gave me the keys to the new 9eXX, he said I'll bet you it will scare you... On that count, he was honest though. First time in my life a car has scared me.

I am trying to make it back from spring break in time for Hypermax, could be fun trying it on with the Underground Lambo if he can run it at full chat. Trying it on with a Veyron is not really a challenge unless I give it a head start cool

Btw in terms of reliability, my old 9e25 car (3.8L 9e build ), properly approx 750 bhp, I did 35tkm until rebuilding to 9eXX. That was 35tkm with lots hard work, Vmax, fast road and plenty of track along driving everywhere round EUR including skiing (was 4WD). The engine in itself was perfectly fine when rebuilt to 4.1L. There are only a few in EUR I would trust with 700+ bhp, RUF, RS & 9e.

iguana

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259 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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IMIA said:
quite a few Brunters veterans say that you need 720 bhp to break 200 mph at Brunters.

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It's a good few yrs back now, but I'm sure young Adam T cracked the 200 in the 996 ruf r (think ruf quoted 550bhp, but ruf horses were strong, so prob nearer 600) with me on board, I remember seeing over 200 on the speedo anyway, can't remember tho if it was 200 through the traps.



Edited by iguana on Sunday 29th March 00:59