15 991 GT3 for sale on PH
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av185 said:
Talking of brakes......and steels v ceramics, Sportautos very typically thorough informative and interesting test of the GT4 found the car with steels created more front downforce than the one with ceramics due to greater wind turbulance around the smaller rotas. Better turn in maybe. Perhaps this also applies to the GT3. 
Food for thought.
Having owned a GT3 with PCCBs and straight afterwards a GT3RS with Steels I concluded that the key benefits I noticed were nice looking calipers and no brake dust. The latter I actually place quite a bit of value on! I appreciate there are a whole host of other benefits but IMHO they are marginal. My driving was 2-3 intermediate standard Trackdays and a European road trip per year. I currently have Ceramics on my 458 (standard issue so no decision needed). Food for thought.
Do people really feel that they can notice a difference in downforce generated by different disk material on the same car? Fair play if you can - I'll be honest any say I don't think I could.
Skittles001 said:
av185 said:
Talking of brakes......and steels v ceramics, Sportautos very typically thorough informative and interesting test of the GT4 found the car with steels created more front downforce than the one with ceramics due to greater wind turbulance around the smaller rotas. Better turn in maybe. Perhaps this also applies to the GT3.
Food for thought.
Having owned a GT3 with PCCBs and straight afterwards a GT3RS with Steels I concluded that the key benefits I noticed were nice looking calipers and no brake dust. The latter I actually place quite a bit of value on! I appreciate there are a whole host of other benefits but IMHO they are marginal. My driving was 2-3 intermediate standard Trackdays and a European road trip per year. I currently have Ceramics on my 458 (standard issue so no decision needed). Food for thought.
Do people really feel that they can notice a difference in downforce generated by different disk material on the same car? Fair play if you can - I'll be honest any say I don't think I could.
sidicks said:
For me personally, buckets would be essential but not necessarily full ClubSport.
If buckets are essential then any buyer should be looking for a Clubsport. Unlike previous GT3s, you could still have leather seats in a 991 CS so there is no downside to having a CS (the cage unbolts for removal, so even it you categorically don't want a cage fitted you can take it out and either (a) put it back in for resale with the maximum possible appeal and price if it was ever sold on or (b) eBay it, the harness and extinguisher for something in the region of £3k). Retrofitting a cage to a car that was not an original CS requires mounting plates to be welded in too (more money, less originality), so people who do want a cage will always favour a car that came from the factory with one, thus Clubsports (which have tended to be only around a quarter of those produced with the various generations of GT3, making them rarer than RSs) will always have the widest market appeal and the lowest supply. As such a non-CS should only ever be bought at a discount and every original owner who specced one with buckets but not CS basically threw away thousands of £ of free money (even if buying a keeper for life they turned down free stuff that they could have sold if they didn't want it)...
DiscoColin said:
If buckets are essential then any buyer should be looking for a Clubsport. Unlike previous GT3s, you could still have leather seats in a 991 CS so there is no downside to having a CS (the cage unbolts for removal, so even it you categorically don't want a cage fitted you can take it out and either (a) put it back in for resale with the maximum possible appeal and price if it was ever sold on or (b) eBay it, the harness and extinguisher for something in the region of £3k). Retrofitting a cage to a car that was not an original CS requires mounting plates to be welded in too (more money, less originality), so people who do want a cage will always favour a car that came from the factory with one, thus Clubsports (which have tended to be only around a quarter of those produced with the various generations of GT3, making them rarer than RSs) will always have the widest market appeal and the lowest supply.
As such a non-CS should only ever be bought at a discount and every original owner who specced one with buckets but not CS basically threw away thousands of £ of free money (even if buying a keeper for life they turned down free stuff that they could have sold if they didn't want it)...
As such a non-CS should only ever be bought at a discount and every original owner who specced one with buckets but not CS basically threw away thousands of £ of free money (even if buying a keeper for life they turned down free stuff that they could have sold if they didn't want it)...
Fair point.
av185 said:
So basically we are saying go comfort or clubsport....but not halfway house.
Seems reasonable.
More that Clubsports are worth a premium and on all historic precedents are probably the better investment (if that in any way matters to a buyer, which often it actually doesn't due to the proportion of people who view them as keepers). This doesn't diminish the simple fact that there is no such thing as a bad GT3 though. Every car is the right spec for someone, and you only really need a Clubsport if your objectives include a racing circuit and a harness at some point.Seems reasonable.
GT98 said:
I thought it was interesting to see that 911 sold 3 x 991 GT3s over this weekend. Looks like sales are going to take off again chaps!!
BS if you ask me. Those cars were £170k plus a few days ago and went to "POA" and all miraculously then sold, whilst stock of (some cheaper) cars at OPCs increased.DT398 said:
GT98 said:
I thought it was interesting to see that 911 sold 3 x 991 GT3s over this weekend. Looks like sales are going to take off again chaps!!
BS if you ask me. Those cars were £170k plus a few days ago and went to "POA" and all miraculously then sold, whilst stock of (some cheaper) cars at OPCs increased.Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff