Condition of PCCB

[Schermerhorn]

ChrisW. said:

I can only say that Foxx have been very helpful.

If it works as anticipated -- the refurbishment of PCCB's could significantly increase the proportion of cars sold with carbon brakes.

I estimate that my PCCB's lasted as long as three sets of steel discs --- around the same cost as my PCCB refurbishment.

The bottom line is also that the Cayman steels are not really good enough for serious amateur track work --- making SICOM carbon discs and callipers a potentially interesting upgrade ...

Most excellent! This is what me and Mr Dietz were discussing recently too. Once people realise that refurbishment is available, ceramic rotor sales will increase quite sharply especially amongst the Porsche crowd who tend to be more enthusiastic esp re track days.

Chris is there a way I can contact you?

[gt2rsrdriver]

Hi Schermerhorn,

I have a 997 GT2 with Porsches standard PCCB discs. You mentioned earlier that the SICOM discs are 30% less heavy than the OEM discs. What is the weight of your similar SICOM discs for the GT2 and what is the approx. weight of the refurbished Porsche OEM discs?

For your information I have listed the weights of my discs without hats below.
Weight of the naked front disc: 4,42 kg.
Weight of the naked rear disc: 3,05 kg.

Looking forward to your answer.

rgds lars

[gt2rsrdriver]

Hi Schermerhorn,

I have a 997 GT2 with Porsches standard PCCB discs. You mentioned earlier that the SICOM discs are 30% less heavy than the OEM discs. What is the weight of your similar SICOM discs for the GT2 and what is the approx. weight of the refurbished Porsche OEM discs?

For your information I have listed the weights of my discs without hats below.
Weight of the naked front disc: 4,42 kg.
Weight of the naked rear disc: 3,05 kg.

Looking forward to your answer.

rgds lars

[Schermerhorn]

gt2rsrdriver said:

Hi Schermerhorn,

I have a 997 GT2 with Porsches standard PCCB discs. You mentioned earlier that the SICOM discs are 30% less heavy than the OEM discs. What is the weight of your similar SICOM discs for the GT2 and what is the approx. weight of the refurbished Porsche OEM discs?

For your information I have listed the weights of my discs without hats below.
Weight of the naked front disc: 4,42 kg.
Weight of the naked rear disc: 3,05 kg.

Looking forward to your answer.

rgds lars

Hi Lars

Thanks for your query.

I couldn't give you an approximate technical answer as I don't have access to the 997 GT2 RS SICOM disc data.
However please email company CEO, Wolfgang Dietz, on [e-mail] and I'm sure he'll be more than amenable in providing the information you're looking for.

Also you can reach me on [e-mail]

Best regards

Schermerhorn

SICOM GT2 test car

Edited by Schermerhorn on Monday 6th July 17:34

[ChrisW.]

Schermerhorn said:

ChrisW. said:

I can only say that Foxx have been very helpful.

If it works as anticipated -- the refurbishment of PCCB's could significantly increase the proportion of cars sold with carbon brakes.

I estimate that my PCCB's lasted as long as three sets of steel discs --- around the same cost as my PCCB refurbishment.

The bottom line is also that the Cayman steels are not really good enough for serious amateur track work --- making SICOM carbon discs and callipers a potentially interesting upgrade ...

Most excellent! This is what me and Mr Dietz were discussing recently too. Once people realise that refurbishment is available, ceramic rotor sales will increase quite sharply especially amongst the Porsche crowd who tend to be more enthusiastic esp re track days.

Chris is there a way I can contact you?

Yes you can PM me --- or via the PCGB site PM system ---

Apologies for the delay, I've been at Spa --- then playing catch-up at work, then at Donnington

[wycoller]

Schermerhorn said:

Hi Lars

Thanks for your query.

I couldn't give you an approximate technical answer as I don't have access to the 997 GT2 RS SICOM disc data.
However please email company CEO, Wolfgang Dietz, on [e-mail] and I'm sure he'll be more than amenable in providing the information you're looking for.

Also you can reach me on [e-mail]

Best regards

Schermerhorn

SICOM GT2 test car

Edited by Schermerhorn on Monday 6th July 17:34

had a hiccup with my refurb rotors when dealing with Wolfgang nobodies fault just a complete mix up on re delivery address. Foxx shipped the refurb rotors to Singapore when they should have been returned to sender UK. So i had them return to Germany where they now sit whilst Wolfgang is trying to sort out a customs issue before re-shipping them back to UK. Just like to add that s*** happens and from what i observe Wolfgang is doing his darn best to sort it out. So from my perspective customer follow up and support is GOOD

[Schermerhorn]

wycoller said:

Schermerhorn said:

Hi Lars

Thanks for your query.

I couldn't give you an approximate technical answer as I don't have access to the 997 GT2 RS SICOM disc data.
However please email company CEO, Wolfgang Dietz, on [e-mail] and I'm sure he'll be more than amenable in providing the information you're looking for.

Also you can reach me on [e-mail]

Best regards

Schermerhorn

SICOM GT2 test car

Edited by Schermerhorn on Monday 6th July 17:34

had a hiccup with my refurb rotors when dealing with Wolfgang nobodies fault just a complete mix up on re delivery address. Foxx shipped the refurb rotors to Singapore when they should have been returned to sender UK. So i had them return to Germany where they now sit whilst Wolfgang is trying to sort out a customs issue before re-shipping them back to UK. Just like to add that s*** happens and from what i observe Wolfgang is doing his darn best to sort it out. So from my perspective customer follow up and support is GOOD

Good to hear that Wolfgang is sorting it out for you.

However, please accept my apologies for the mix up and inconvenience. We have so many refurbs going on at the moment that the odd mistake can happen.

Fortunately, Wolfgang is very good at sorting these issues out with swiftness and celerity and I'm sure it'll be resolved for you ASAP.

Once again, please accept my apologies.

[wycoller]

Schermerhorn said:

wycoller said:

Schermerhorn said:

Hi Lars

Thanks for your query.

I couldn't give you an approximate technical answer as I don't have access to the 997 GT2 RS SICOM disc data.
However please email company CEO, Wolfgang Dietz, on [e-mail] and I'm sure he'll be more than amenable in providing the information you're looking for.

Also you can reach me on [e-mail]

Best regards

Schermerhorn

SICOM GT2 test car

Edited by Schermerhorn on Monday 6th July 17:34

had a hiccup with my refurb rotors when dealing with Wolfgang nobodies fault just a complete mix up on re delivery address. Foxx shipped the refurb rotors to Singapore when they should have been returned to sender UK. So i had them return to Germany where they now sit whilst Wolfgang is trying to sort out a customs issue before re-shipping them back to UK. Just like to add that s*** happens and from what i observe Wolfgang is doing his darn best to sort it out. So from my perspective customer follow up and support is GOOD

Good to hear that Wolfgang is sorting it out for you.

However, please accept my apologies for the mix up and inconvenience. We have so many refurbs going on at the moment that the odd mistake can happen.

Fortunately, Wolfgang is very good at sorting these issues out with swiftness and celerity and I'm sure it'll be resolved for you ASAP.

Once again, please accept my apologies.

Sorry for late response yes hopefully Wolfgang can sort it out i,m not breathing down his kneck best just to let him get on with sorting it out. i,m looking forward to seeing the finished product and ill get them fitted and the Alcons can sit as spares
cheers again

[johne123]

this is a great thread and such a relief I wont have to buy original pccb,s .I as many of us could not a afford them.i changed my pads last week they were around half worn and looked a bit cooked no damage to the discs.is it true its best to change them at this point because of heat dispasitation ? (not sure how you spell it)and I have no idea of the bedding in process of the pads

[ChrisW.]

That is how I was advised to protect the Carbon discs --- though I'm not sure if it isn't to avoid heat soak from the discs back out to the Caliper and brake fluid when the PCCB discs can get so hot for so long

I will be replacing my OEM PCCB's with Sicom on Monday .. I'll take some photographs ...

[HokumPokum]

johne123 said:

this is a great thread and such a relief I wont have to buy original pccb,s .I as many of us could not a afford them.i changed my pads last week they were around half worn and looked a bit cooked no damage to the discs.is it true its best to change them at this point because of heat dispasitation ? (not sure how you spell it)and I have no idea of the bedding in process of the pads

This is why other than weight loss and there is this whole debate on rennlist about unsprung weight related to PCCB (that is not as much as you think), PCCBs are not great on track.

the theory is that they are fade free but the one thing that wears a PCCB disc is high temp oxidation in a track environment. They wear out over time in precisely the situation they are meant to excel in. I suppose you do get consistent brake performance during that time....

so you get less choice of pads, expensive new oem discs/ at last viable refurb items from vendors like Sicom.


I've heard good things on the new gen 3 brakes and maybe they only breakdown at temps beyond where you would ever get the brakes to in a race condition, but I'd decline to be the beta tester. For predominant road use, It's still an attractive piece of engineering.

[johne123]

so do my pads look like that because of half a dozen track days im sure I cooled them down .also can anyone tell me about bedding in new pads ?

[ttdan]

johne123 said:

so do my pads look like that because of half a dozen track days im sure I cooled them down .also can anyone tell me about bedding in new pads ?

Your pads just look like normal worn pads to me..i van see some brass showing through which means there are pretty close to being done, the break up, cracking stuff is pretty normal.

[ttdan]

johne123 said:

so do my pads look like that because of half a dozen track days im sure I cooled them down .also can anyone tell me about bedding in new pads ?

Your pads just look like normal worn pads to me..i van see some brass showing through which means there are pretty close to being done, the break up, cracking stuff is pretty normal.

[johne123]

thanks

[ChrisW.]

After 34000 hard miles my OPC quoted £7000 for two new front discs.



The fact that the rear discs were also on their way out made their quote even more unrealistic.



I found this thread ...



And it excited me, because it enabled me to re-specify PCCB's (which I adore) on my new GT4.



For the price of one new Porsche front PCCB disc, I now have a brand new set of discs fitted, with new pads --- ready to go.



Pics as promised .... and all I have to do is return the old discs.



I don't think I am going to miss them

Edited by ChrisW. on Monday 10th August 21:28

Edited by ChrisW. on Monday 10th August 21:36

[Fl0pp3r]

Top job Chris! You must be well pleased.

So did you purchase SICOM's new PCCB replacement discs & pads for all four corners, then send them your old/used discs for the rebate?

What was your 'net' cost after the rebate if you don't mind me asking?

Lastly - how are you finding the SICOM discs/pads performance-wise? Any noticeable difference compared with Porsche OEM originals?

I'm really interested as I've got PCCBs on my car and will doubtless one day have to make the replace/refurb decision.

Cheers guv'nor!

[HokumPokum]

now you have to use them and try it out.

when's the next trackday?

[isaldiri]

Chris - very interested to see how you get on with the sicom discs as I'm currently wondering whether to get a different car with ceramics and replacement costs of the rotors are something playing on my mind a bit. cheers.

[ChrisW.]

Thanks all

First impressions of the brakes are very good.

So far, they need just a little more warming up than they used to --- but in fairness I have only just finished bedding in the new pads.

Cost --- Euro 3340 + vat and £1000 for a new set of pads with fitting, all organised by Dave F. at Strasse.

I think they will be epic ... no brake dust, less fade, better road feel and tyre contact ... all for the price of a few sets of steel discs and pads ... which I trust they will outlast.