Condition of PCCB

[ChrisW.]

Do you offer disc exchange ?

I would be looking for this -- and I can do half a PCCB pad set in a weekend.

But I change them when half worn ...

[Schermerhorn]

ChrisW. said:

Do you offer disc exchange ?

I would be looking for this -- and I can do half a PCCB pad set in a weekend.

But I change them when half worn ...

Hi

Disc exchange in terms of

A) Borrow some part worn discs for your car while your are getting refurbed if there is a long wait time

Or

B) Use your old discs as part exchange if you were buying a new front and/or rear kit?

[HokumPokum]

I like B but question whether all refurb disc be the same or it depends on the condition when brought in.

[Schermerhorn]

HokumPokum said:

I like B but question whether all refurb disc be the same or it depends on the condition when brought in.

Hi

They will all be refurbished to be the same thickness and will recieve enough machining, levelling and restructuring to be within the exact tolerances of the refurbishment process.

They will also recieve enough of the 'new carbon silicon binder layering' to prevent wearing and optimim braking performance and capacity rather than just a thin top layer.

[HokumPokum]

Schermerhorn said:

HokumPokum said:

I like B but question whether all refurb disc be the same or it depends on the condition when brought in.

Hi

They will all be refurbished to be the same thickness and will recieve enough machining, levelling and restructuring to be within the exact tolerances of the refurbishment process.

They will also recieve enough of the 'new carbon silicon binder layering' to prevent wearing and optimim braking performance and capacity rather than just a thin top layer.

thanks. looking forward to bringing my discs to you when they wear out

[ChrisW.]

Thanks, yes I also would prefer B ...

Is there any warranty with the replacement "new" set ?

[Schermerhorn]

In Europe, SICOM are offering €300 per old brake disc so a total €1200 value to be knocked off against value of a new set of a full kit of 4 discs, pads, cooling ducts, calipers etc.

For the UK this will be £1000 irrespective of how knackered the discs are.

Warranty is 12 months/12,000km whichever comes first, new full kit or refurbished.

However this does not include any competition/series racing.

Edited by Schermerhorn on Tuesday 28th April 04:49

[Fl0pp3r]

@Schermerhorn thanks very much for the additional infos....really useful stuff to know.

You mention new kits - do you have any pricing for 997 380/360mm Front/Rear PCCB by any chance? I looked on the SICOM website but could only find pricing for refurbishment.

Thanks!

[Schermerhorn]

Fl0pp3r said:

@Schermerhorn thanks very much for the additional infos....really useful stuff to know.

You mention new kits - do you have any pricing for 997 380/360mm Front/Rear PCCB by any chance? I looked on the SICOM website but could only find pricing for refurbishment.

Thanks!

Hi, Flopp3r

http://www.carbonceramicbrake.com/porsche.html

The prices are still on the European price guide with UK prices yet to be finalised and confirmed but dont expect any dramatic changes. At the moment with the exchange rate situation its quite heavily in the UK's favour!

[hondansx]

Excuse the stupid questions, but PCCBs are completely new to me!

Should the refurb been seen as preventative maintenance? I.E. Do X amount of track days and then get them seen to?

Is the refurbishment process repeatable, or is it just the once?

Does your company do OEM equivalent replacement discs?

I spend a lot of time on track so am somewhat nervous with my first experience of PCCBs in the 991 GT3. Perhaps i read too many forums, but it seems like looking after these discs is like black magic versus conventional steel items!

[Schermerhorn]

hondansx said:

Excuse the stupid questions, but PCCBs are completely new to me!

Should the refurb been seen as preventative maintenance? I.E. Do X amount of track days and then get them seen to?

Is the refurbishment process repeatable, or is it just the once?

Does your company do OEM equivalent replacement discs?

I spend a lot of time on track so am somewhat nervous with my first experience of PCCBs in the 991 GT3. Perhaps i read too many forums, but it seems like looking after these discs is like black magic versus conventional steel items!

Hi

I'll try and answer the best I can

A) Get them done when you are losing braking performance, having wheel wobble, uneven temperature build up on the surface (due to surface mass loss) and cracking on the surface. Some stand up better than others. Newer designs are more robust. Older 996s with PCCBs etc were very notorious for cracking etc. The Ferrari Enzo does not have the best ceramics either but because people store them away nobody ever gets to test that theory.

B) It is repeatable. Only the worn surface - which is the one exposed to the wear and tear - is under the most duress. As long as the central part does not have its structural integrity compromised the top layers can be refurbished repeatedly. How many times I do not know as we do not have enough empirical cases as it is new technology.

C) Yes we do. Apart from the refurb, we also do brand new, race track tested ceramic discs. Please check http://www.carbonceramicbrake.com/porsche.html for all our Porsche products.

D) Ceramics are very expensive to replace hence all the hype around them re replacing, looking after etc. Treat them properly, let them warm up etc and they should not suffer any fatigue. There is an 'art' to it but nothing majorly complicated.

Hope this helps!

[Fl0pp3r]

Schermerhorn said:

Hi, Flopp3r

http://www.carbonceramicbrake.com/porsche.html

The prices are still on the European price guide with UK prices yet to be finalised and confirmed but dont expect any dramatic changes. At the moment with the exchange rate situation its quite heavily in the UK's favour!

Thanks a lot mate, this is good stuff to know.

[Schermerhorn]

Fl0pp3r said:

Thanks a lot mate, this is good stuff to know.

You're welcome.

We're always updating our Twitter site so all the latest info, prices etc can be found on there!

https://twitter.com/SicomBRAKESUK

[Slippydiff]

Back in 2007 when I fitted a set of replacement carbon ceramic discs to my 996 GT2 I was informed that Sicom were an agent for Surface Transforms discs. Are these discs still those manufactured by Surface Transforms ?

[Schermerhorn]

Slippydiff said:

Back in 2007 when I fitted a set of replacement carbon ceramic discs to my 996 GT2 I was informed that Sicom were an agent for Surface Transforms discs. Are these discs still those manufactured by Surface Transforms ?

Not anymore.

There are 3 manufacturers of carbon ceramic discs in the world thus far. SICOM started off manufacturing ceramic brakes for bikes and got into the car market later on.

Brembo is the biggest.

Surface Transform and SICOM are secondary and tertiary to Brembo.

All have their unique patents in terms of design, technology and intellectual property rights.

[Schermerhorn]

Here is a Ferrari F430 that recently had them done

Before


After (other side)

[Fl0pp3r]

Schermerhorn said:

Here is a Ferrari F430 that recently had them done

Before


After (other side)

Looking good!!

[jfp]

Schermerhorn said:

Slippydiff said:

Back in 2007 when I fitted a set of replacement carbon ceramic discs to my 996 GT2 I was informed that Sicom were an agent for Surface Transforms discs. Are these discs still those manufactured by Surface Transforms ?

Not anymore.

There are 3 manufacturers of carbon ceramic discs in the world thus far. SICOM started off manufacturing ceramic brakes for bikes and got into the car market later on.

Brembo is the biggest.

Surface Transform and SICOM are secondary and tertiary to Brembo.

All have their unique patents in terms of design, technology and intellectual property rights.

Close, but not strictly true. Carbon Industrie in Lyon have made and supplied carbon ceramic discs for road cars - the MacLaren P1. Im assuming that you are indeed assuming SGL and Brembo are one and the same as Brembo own SGL, even though the structure of the disc is completely different.

[s2000db]

Schermerhorn said:

vallance5 said:

How would porsche view refurbished discs in relation to a warranty? Would it void it?

That's a good question.

Brakes are not covered under warranty in most cases as they are a wear and tear item and unless Porsche was to give a specific warranty with their OEM PCCB brakes I can not see how it would affect a warranty.

We have had customers having had refurbishing on 2011/2012 997 Turbo Gen 2 ceramic brakes and as far as I know the warranty has been unaffected.

Well if Porsche won't give you a warranty with a non Porsche battery, or N rated tyres.. They're hardly likely to give one with non-standard disks.. Are they?

[PTT]

Silly question,
can this be fixed or do i have an expensive piece of art on the garage wall.