Condition of PCCB
Discussion
RWD cossie wil said:
Schermerhorn said:
RWD cossie wil said:
From brand new, what sort of life/milage would you expect from the 996 380mm discs/pads upgrade kit?
Car would be mainly road use but with some trackdays, Nurburgring & Vmac runs...
Hard to quanitify with an answer.Car would be mainly road use but with some trackdays, Nurburgring & Vmac runs...
It all depends on how you drive on the road, how hard you drive on the track etc.
Put it this way, our GT2 test car did 98 Nurburgring lap over a weekend with 2 tyre changes in between and the brake pedal never went long. However, it was using brand new Sicom discs/pads/cooling kit and not the refurbished discs.
Our 997 GT3 RS test car has been doing 2-3 long race distances, testing and racing on the same set of refurbished discs before being examined and had no issues. All undertaken by professional racing drivers who know warm up procedures, cool down laps etc it must be said
For standard road use only, significantly longer than a steel disc is what we usually tell our customers.
The refurbished discs and new complete kits are made from the same material.
If you follow our Twitter page there are plenty of pictures of the GT3 RS on track!
I was looking at your kit for the 996 turbo that is circa £5500 GBP, thinking that in the long run maybe the saving on discs & pads might work out close to running steels..... Interesting Fl0pp3r said:
PorscheGT4 said:
not on older cars, it seems to make no odds, I guess on 991 GT3 and GT4 then yes people will pay more.
Not sure i agree here - if you're looking at two equivalent cars and one of them has PCCB, surely that one is worth more, regardless of how old the two cars are?Fl0pp3r said:
PorscheGT4 said:
not on older cars, it seems to make no odds, I guess on 991 GT3 and GT4 then yes people will pay more.
Not sure i agree here - if you're looking at two equivalent cars and one of them has PCCB, surely that one is worth more, regardless of how old the two cars are?RWD cossie wil said:
Fl0pp3r said:
PorscheGT4 said:
not on older cars, it seems to make no odds, I guess on 991 GT3 and GT4 then yes people will pay more.
Not sure i agree here - if you're looking at two equivalent cars and one of them has PCCB, surely that one is worth more, regardless of how old the two cars are?However, refurbished discs are now as durable as OEM and around 30% of the price too through SICOM.
When I bought a Spyder with PCCB a few years back it was a definite bonus for me. It was the opposite when selling though. Very few people wanted the potential cost of having to replace a rotor at circa £4k a piece.
OEM rotors are also very susceptible to chipping which is quite likely to occur on track and another reason why you need to be hyper careful when removing and refitting wheels. One of the rotors on my Spyder had a couple of very small chips - a couple more and Porsche would have required it replaced for warranty purposes.
No doubting the performance of CCB's but on the road I'm not sure you need them and on the track most people can't afford them!
I'm still undecided whether to spec them on GT4. They're a relative bargain from new but in my historical experience, people don't want to pay more for them a couple of years down the line. Awesome for keeping your wheels clean though
OEM rotors are also very susceptible to chipping which is quite likely to occur on track and another reason why you need to be hyper careful when removing and refitting wheels. One of the rotors on my Spyder had a couple of very small chips - a couple more and Porsche would have required it replaced for warranty purposes.
No doubting the performance of CCB's but on the road I'm not sure you need them and on the track most people can't afford them!
I'm still undecided whether to spec them on GT4. They're a relative bargain from new but in my historical experience, people don't want to pay more for them a couple of years down the line. Awesome for keeping your wheels clean though
m33ufo said:
When I bought a Spyder with PCCB a few years back it was a definite bonus for me. It was the opposite when selling though. Very few people wanted the potential cost of having to replace a rotor at circa £4k a piece.
OEM rotors are also very susceptible to chipping which is quite likely to occur on track and another reason why you need to be hyper careful when removing and refitting wheels. One of the rotors on my Spyder had a couple of very small chips - a couple more and Porsche would have required it replaced for warranty purposes.
No doubting the performance of CCB's but on the road I'm not sure you need them and on the track most people can't afford them!
I'm still undecided whether to spec them on GT4. They're a relative bargain from new but in my historical experience, people don't want to pay more for them a couple of years down the line. Awesome for keeping your wheels clean though
Fair point and all - I can see potential cost of replacing PCCB being a major concern for 2nd hand buyers, but it looks like the game has moved on a bit now, and if the prospective purchaser is concerned about the replacement cost, they can either save money and have existing discs refurbished by the nice people at SICOM, or they can buy one of the OEM replacement steel kits that are now available using the existing calipers. OEM rotors are also very susceptible to chipping which is quite likely to occur on track and another reason why you need to be hyper careful when removing and refitting wheels. One of the rotors on my Spyder had a couple of very small chips - a couple more and Porsche would have required it replaced for warranty purposes.
No doubting the performance of CCB's but on the road I'm not sure you need them and on the track most people can't afford them!
I'm still undecided whether to spec them on GT4. They're a relative bargain from new but in my historical experience, people don't want to pay more for them a couple of years down the line. Awesome for keeping your wheels clean though
Schermerhorn said:
Dont also forget that cars running carbon ceramics - even if you never intend to track it - will have better residuals over standard cars.
Definitely not the case. People are very nervous of ceramics, even my OPC salesman says you very rarely get any of the money back. He even said don't add them to my GT4 spec.Fl0pp3r said:
Fair point and all - I can see potential cost of replacing PCCB being a major concern for 2nd hand buyers, but it looks like the game has moved on a bit now, and if the prospective purchaser is concerned about the replacement cost, they can either save money and have existing discs refurbished by the nice people at SICOM, or they can buy one of the OEM replacement steel kits that are now available using the existing calipers.
Changed to Alcon Steel's on my old GT2. Given that the CCB refurb option is a similar price then that's the way to go if you can afford to be without the use of the car for a couple of months. Schermerhorn said:
HokumPokum said:
one more question. chips can be repaired even if they exceed porsche spec.s?
HiDepends on the severity of the chips.
If you have some pictures, I can most certainly give an answer.
m33ufo said:
When I bought a Spyder with PCCB a few years back it was a definite bonus for me. It was the opposite when selling though. Very few people wanted the potential cost of having to replace a rotor at circa £4k a piece.
OEM rotors are also very susceptible to chipping which is quite likely to occur on track and another reason why you need to be hyper careful when removing and refitting wheels. One of the rotors on my Spyder had a couple of very small chips - a couple more and Porsche would have required it replaced for warranty purposes.
No doubting the performance of CCB's but on the road I'm not sure you need them and on the track most people can't afford them!
I'm still undecided whether to spec them on GT4. They're a relative bargain from new but in my historical experience, people don't want to pay more for them a couple of years down the line. Awesome for keeping your wheels clean though
Home Sunday straight to the CarOEM rotors are also very susceptible to chipping which is quite likely to occur on track and another reason why you need to be hyper careful when removing and refitting wheels. One of the rotors on my Spyder had a couple of very small chips - a couple more and Porsche would have required it replaced for warranty purposes.
No doubting the performance of CCB's but on the road I'm not sure you need them and on the track most people can't afford them!
I'm still undecided whether to spec them on GT4. They're a relative bargain from new but in my historical experience, people don't want to pay more for them a couple of years down the line. Awesome for keeping your wheels clean though
HokumPokum said:
Schermerhorn said:
HokumPokum said:
one more question. chips can be repaired even if they exceed porsche spec.s?
HiDepends on the severity of the chips.
If you have some pictures, I can most certainly give an answer.
PCCBs are quite robust (more so that Ferraris....shhhh
) wycoller said:
m33ufo said:
When I bought a Spyder with PCCB a few years back it was a definite bonus for me. It was the opposite when selling though. Very few people wanted the potential cost of having to replace a rotor at circa £4k a piece.
OEM rotors are also very susceptible to chipping which is quite likely to occur on track and another reason why you need to be hyper careful when removing and refitting wheels. One of the rotors on my Spyder had a couple of very small chips - a couple more and Porsche would have required it replaced for warranty purposes.
No doubting the performance of CCB's but on the road I'm not sure you need them and on the track most people can't afford them!
I'm still undecided whether to spec them on GT4. They're a relative bargain from new but in my historical experience, people don't want to pay more for them a couple of years down the line. Awesome for keeping your wheels clean though
Home Sunday straight to the CarOEM rotors are also very susceptible to chipping which is quite likely to occur on track and another reason why you need to be hyper careful when removing and refitting wheels. One of the rotors on my Spyder had a couple of very small chips - a couple more and Porsche would have required it replaced for warranty purposes.
No doubting the performance of CCB's but on the road I'm not sure you need them and on the track most people can't afford them!
I'm still undecided whether to spec them on GT4. They're a relative bargain from new but in my historical experience, people don't want to pay more for them a couple of years down the line. Awesome for keeping your wheels clean though
HokumPokum said:
One more question. How long does it take assuming i have a set of 4 discs that are off the car and boxed ready to be sent to SICOM for re-furb? Thanks
you have been most helpful with your responses.
Hiyou have been most helpful with your responses.
It purely depends on the lead time. The first quarter has started off brilliantly but it means we have a backlog too as the strength of the brand is growing and more customers are becoming aware of the refurbishment possibilities.
As it stands, We are telling customers 4-6 weeks. Once the new site is up and running (within 24 months hopefully if all goes well), we're going to double up and that should cut our lead time to 3-4 weeks.
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