Would a 996/7 GT3 live with the 991 GT3 on track?
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the ronin said:
The thing I see with today's bone stock 991 Turbo S is that it is as good as the best purpose built race Porsche in so.Ca.
Now put Jack Olsen behind the wheel of a 991 Turbo S and let's see what the lap times would be after all the driver makes the difference...
Good in what context? As always context is everything. Now put Jack Olsen behind the wheel of a 991 Turbo S and let's see what the lap times would be after all the driver makes the difference...
If you mean simply on track as measured on a clock it may be hard to hang on to that one. There are plenty purpose built Porsche race cars kicking around Cali, including Cups thru RSR's and more.
Randy Pobst did a 1.35.620 round Laguna Seca in a 991 Turbo S. JvO took a 997 GT2 RS round there in 1.35.56 before that. There is video up of a 997 GT3 RS 4.0 doing a 1.33.1
I am pretty horrible (and not from Cali) and I took my stock 997.1 3.6 Cup round LS more than 4 seconds a lap quicker than those Turbo S/GT2 RS times. Pat Long took the Flying Lizards RSR round in a 1.22.919 back in 2012.
Just one track and some random times for sure but.....
The Turbo S is many things, there is no doubt about that and its great that you love yours. As a car guy, any car guy loving his car is awesome to see or hear about. It doesn't matter what the car. But hyperbole can sometimes do a disservice to how good a car is and the excitement of the stories that go along with it.
The more interesting topic is how much better or worse it would be to drive in that same context had Porsche chosen to engage in a quest for lightness with as much fervour as they did finding more ways to electronically adjust a seat, flood emerging markets and increase the width of the experience TM.
Edited by fioran0 on Friday 26th June 01:02
A 260 hp Lotus does Laguna Seca in 1:35 ...
I'd like to see a test with a double yellow line painted down the track and a 12' lane. Let's see what car can run the course at speed without crossing it. Same driver, same tires...
The real world..
Edited by the ronin on Friday 26th June 03:17
the ronin said:
A 260 hp Lotus does Laguna Seca in 1:35 ...
I'd like to see a test with a double yellow line painted down the track and a 12' lane. Let's see what car can run the course at speed without crossing it. Same driver, same tires...
The real world..
What's so 'real world' about that? In the 'real world' there are speed limits, other drivers, oncoming traffic etc ...I'd like to see a test with a double yellow line painted down the track and a 12' lane. Let's see what car can run the course at speed without crossing it. Same driver, same tires...
The real world..
the ronin said:
A 260 hp Lotus does Laguna Seca in 1:35 ...
I'd like to see a test with a double yellow line painted down the track and a 12' lane. Let's see what car can run the course at speed without crossing it. Same driver, same tires...
The real world..
Did you even read fiorano's post above?I'd like to see a test with a double yellow line painted down the track and a 12' lane. Let's see what car can run the course at speed without crossing it. Same driver, same tires...
The real world..
Edited by the ronin on Friday 26th June 03:17
What has cutting the track in half with a double yellow have to do with anything?
hunter 66 said:
AS for on track excitement ..... the Aventador SV is the daddy... sub 7 min Ring time old school V12 ....... what is there not to like?
The sheer size and the weight of the thing....? Sure it's run an awesome time at the ring (albeit with 'development' tyres that may or may not be anything like the street version offered later) but for on track excitement you can't beat something small and light IMO.Phooey said:
It's clear the 991 is quicker at the traffic lights due to PDK and Launch Control, but on the track is there really anything in it?? Does the old Mezger GT3's keep on the bumper of the tech-laden 991GT3? I can't imagine - due to gearing, power-to-weight etc, that once moving the 996/7 would be far behind, if any?
On a recent track day my 996 gt2 was fine with keeping up with the 991 gt3, and when it was behind we were equal on the straights / around the circuit and couldn't over take. V8KSN said:
the ronin said:
A 260 hp Lotus does Laguna Seca in 1:35 ...
I'd like to see a test with a double yellow line painted down the track and a 12' lane. Let's see what car can run the course at speed without crossing it. Same driver, same tires...
The real world..
Did you even read fiorano's post above?I'd like to see a test with a double yellow line painted down the track and a 12' lane. Let's see what car can run the course at speed without crossing it. Same driver, same tires...
The real world..
Edited by the ronin on Friday 26th June 03:17
What has cutting the track in half with a double yellow have to do with anything?
the ronin said:
V8KSN said:
the ronin said:
A 260 hp Lotus does Laguna Seca in 1:35 ...
I'd like to see a test with a double yellow line painted down the track and a 12' lane. Let's see what car can run the course at speed without crossing it. Same driver, same tires...
The real world..
Did you even read fiorano's post above?I'd like to see a test with a double yellow line painted down the track and a 12' lane. Let's see what car can run the course at speed without crossing it. Same driver, same tires...
The real world..
Edited by the ronin on Friday 26th June 03:17
What has cutting the track in half with a double yellow have to do with anything?
the ronin said:
The thing I see with today's bone stock 991 Turbo S is that it is as good as the best purpose built race Porsche in so.Ca.
Now put Jack Olsen behind the wheel of a 991 Turbo S and let's see what the lap times would be after all the driver makes the difference...
I'm not sure I understand. A 991 Turbo S is a great car for a lot of reasons, but it's not really a track car. And I'm not sure what you're calling "the best purpose built race Porsche in so.Ca." Once you modify a car for track-only use, the only limitations are the skills of your engineers and how much money you're willing to spend. The fastest track-purpose 911 variants run 10 full seconds a lap faster than the Ronin Lotus. Those are not street-legal cars and they're not running on tires you could drive on for a year on public roads. Now put Jack Olsen behind the wheel of a 991 Turbo S and let's see what the lap times would be after all the driver makes the difference...
My car has many modifications. But the engine is a stock unit from a 1995 911, and the car weighs more than it came stock. It is not a track-purpose car at all.
Kav1 said:
Sorry to gatecrash but I can give you real world times for 991GT3 around Silverstone GP circuit. I can do a relatively relaxed 2;15 in the 991GT3 best time I ever got In my 997.2GT3RS was 2;22. Again from experience a well driven 991GT3 would be out of sight from a well driven 997 GT3 within 2 laps. The game has just moved on. In fact my 991 Turbo S is also as quick (well for 3 laps before tyres overheat) as 991GT3 and again substantially quicker than 997GT3's on track.
Sorry to resurrect this thread, but came across it while searching for lap times of various cars. Interesting to read about getting a "relaxed" 2:15 at Silverstone GP circuit in a 991 GT3. Is there any video footage to back this up? I have to say its a pretty bold statement.Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff