GT3 RS 1st road test.
Discussion
AndrewD said:
Sure, but I'm not a moaning ph granny. It isn't available with a manual. It still looks an absolute animal to drive, in a good way. Bores my tits off that all these grannies moan about a car they've not even sat their arses in.
Yes, but remove the usual green mist ridden suspects for a moment.I have a 991GT3, and this latest RS version doesn't raise the bar significantly IMO. It doesn't 'drag me in' as the others have, for the reasons I've given previously.
Plus it looks biblically awful, not as bad as the 996 RS obviously as I believe that to be impossible, but against the GT3 it remains the uglier bigger sister.
Having an opinion that differs to yours, doesn't necessarily mean I'm a moaning PH Granny either.
sidicks said:
IMIA said:
She's incredibly difficult to drive Si. Feel better lol?!
Perfectly reasonable and genuine question.Sorry you can't provide a credible response.
Edited by sidicks on Saturday 23 May 12:13
Tip for the day. Find a track, stick her in sport plus and she'll make you look like CH all day long. Nuff said.
Robbo66 said:
AndrewD said:
Sure, but I'm not a moaning ph granny. It isn't available with a manual. It still looks an absolute animal to drive, in a good way. Bores my tits off that all these grannies moan about a car they've not even sat their arses in.
Yes, but remove the usual green mist ridden suspects for a moment.I have a 991GT3, and this latest RS version doesn't raise the bar significantly IMO. It doesn't 'drag me in' as the others have, for the reasons I've given previously.
Plus it looks biblically awful, not as bad as the 996 RS obviously as I believe that to be impossible, but against the GT3 it remains the uglier bigger sister.
Having an opinion that differs to yours, doesn't necessarily mean I'm a moaning PH Granny either.
Robbo66 said:
AndrewD said:
Sure, but I'm not a moaning ph granny. It isn't available with a manual. It still looks an absolute animal to drive, in a good way. Bores my tits off that all these grannies moan about a car they've not even sat their arses in.
Yes, but remove the usual green mist ridden suspects for a moment.I have a 991GT3, and this latest RS version doesn't raise the bar significantly IMO. It doesn't 'drag me in' as the others have, for the reasons I've given previously.
Plus it looks biblically awful, not as bad as the 996 RS obviously as I believe that to be impossible, but against the GT3 it remains the uglier bigger sister.
Having an opinion that differs to yours, doesn't necessarily mean I'm a moaning PH Granny either.
From what I've read so far, the gap between the standard GT3 and RS is the biggest it has ever been. Harris said in his video it is 10% more performance on track, which is huge.
I love my 991GT3 too, but not as hasty to write the RS off. Quite the opposite, it promises to be monumental.
IMIA said:
A credible response for an incredibly adversarial PH member methinks. Sorry popping out for a drive now old chum so can't feed you for the rest of the day.
If "adversarial" means asking people t justify their claims then I won't deny that. As ever, it's the usual nonsense claims from people like you, trying to put down those who own the later cars based on your own (perceived) superiority.
I'm sure it makes you feel good about yourself though.
IMIA said:
Tip for the day. Find a track, stick her in sport plus and she'll make you look like CH all day long. Nuff said.
Tip for the day - be prepared to back up your claims.AndrewD said:
How do you know it doesn't raise the bar over the GT3, have you driven it yet?
From what I've read so far, the gap between the standard GT3 and RS is the biggest it has ever been. Harris said in his video it is 10% more performance on track, which is huge.
I love my 991GT3 too, but not as hasty to write the RS off. Quite the opposite, it promises to be monumental.
If by performance you mean lap times, that's nowhere near borne out by the respective ring times is it?From what I've read so far, the gap between the standard GT3 and RS is the biggest it has ever been. Harris said in his video it is 10% more performance on track, which is huge.
I love my 991GT3 too, but not as hasty to write the RS off. Quite the opposite, it promises to be monumental.
In fact the biggest difference by far seems to be the 996 generation.
sidicks said:
IMIA said:
She's incredibly difficult to drive Si. Feel better lol?!
Perfectly reasonable and genuine question.Sorry you can't provide a credible response.
For me, fun and enjoyment comes from managing the risk of piloting nigh-on 1500KG of flesh metal and plastic round corners as fast as I dare.
Its about managing that risk through the control inputs of steering, throttle, gear changing and braking and emerging out the other side of the corner unscathed that keeps me coming back for more.
If you expose yourself to a high level of risk (i.e attacking corners at high speeds on the road) and survive through deployment of skill, then you have managed the risk intelligently and should have found a way to repeatedly put yourself on your toes and bring yourself back down again.
If you expose yourself to a high level of risk and survive through sheer technological competence of the car you are piloting then by not having managed the risk you have simply experienced a cheap thrill.
So to be fair Sidicks it does look easy to drive,.... in the respect that the car is SO much more capable that I would/could ever be! ac
AndrewD said:
Robbo66 said:
AndrewD said:
Sure, but I'm not a moaning ph granny. It isn't available with a manual. It still looks an absolute animal to drive, in a good way. Bores my tits off that all these grannies moan about a car they've not even sat their arses in.
Yes, but remove the usual green mist ridden suspects for a moment.I have a 991GT3, and this latest RS version doesn't raise the bar significantly IMO. It doesn't 'drag me in' as the others have, for the reasons I've given previously.
Plus it looks biblically awful, not as bad as the 996 RS obviously as I believe that to be impossible, but against the GT3 it remains the uglier bigger sister.
Having an opinion that differs to yours, doesn't necessarily mean I'm a moaning PH Granny either.
From what I've read so far, the gap between the standard GT3 and RS is the biggest it has ever been. Harris said in his video it is 10% more performance on track, which is huge.
I love my 991GT3 too, but not as hasty to write the RS off. Quite the opposite, it promises to be monumental.
V8KSN said:
I agree with IMIA, it all looks too easy (but that is not to say its boring)
Didn't Harris make driving the 997 GT3 RS look equally as easy?V8KSN said:
For me, fun and enjoyment comes from managing the risk of piloting nigh-on 1500KG of flesh metal and plastic round corners as fast as I dare.
Its about managing that risk through the control inputs of steering, throttle, gear changing and braking and emerging out the other side of the corner unscathed that keeps me coming back for more.
If you expose yourself to a high level of risk (i.e attacking corners at high speeds on the road) and survive through deployment of skill, then you have managed the risk intelligently and should have found a way to repeatedly put yourself on your toes and bring yourself back down again.
If you expose yourself to a high level of risk and survive through sheer technological competence of the car you are piloting then by not having managed the risk you have simply experienced a cheap thrill.
So to be fair Sidicks it does look easy to drive,.... in the respect that the car is SO much more capable that I would/could ever be! ac
Thanks for your constructive response.Its about managing that risk through the control inputs of steering, throttle, gear changing and braking and emerging out the other side of the corner unscathed that keeps me coming back for more.
If you expose yourself to a high level of risk (i.e attacking corners at high speeds on the road) and survive through deployment of skill, then you have managed the risk intelligently and should have found a way to repeatedly put yourself on your toes and bring yourself back down again.
If you expose yourself to a high level of risk and survive through sheer technological competence of the car you are piloting then by not having managed the risk you have simply experienced a cheap thrill.
So to be fair Sidicks it does look easy to drive,.... in the respect that the car is SO much more capable that I would/could ever be! ac
sidicks said:
Thanks for your constructive response.
A while back I drove a Nissan GTR and I was amazed at the car and what it could do. It was really good fun for a while but then I ran out of talent and the fun aspect crossed over to the scared aspect where I was turning into corners as ridiculous speeds and the car just stuck, gripped and went without anything being really fed back to me in the way or enjoyment. Amazement yet but enjoyment? No.
I personally don't have the talent of Chris Harris to enjoy the car like he can but others may have and I am sure they will have an amazing time with this car.
Robbo66 said:
Yes, but remove the usual green mist ridden suspects for a moment.
I have a 991GT3, and this latest RS version doesn't raise the bar significantly IMO. It doesn't 'drag me in' as the others have, for the reasons I've given previously.
Plus it looks biblically awful, not as bad as the 996 RS obviously as I believe that to be impossible, but against the GT3 it remains the uglier bigger sister.
Having an opinion that differs to yours, doesn't necessarily mean I'm a moaning PH Granny either.
I suppose it reinforces the fact that aesthetics are so subjective. I could never get a 996RS on this side of the pond, and I thought they looked wonderful. I thought that my 7.1RS was a better looking car than my 7.2, and I love the appearance of the 991. ( of course, none of these choices were even close to the abuse I too when I got my E63 M6I have a 991GT3, and this latest RS version doesn't raise the bar significantly IMO. It doesn't 'drag me in' as the others have, for the reasons I've given previously.
Plus it looks biblically awful, not as bad as the 996 RS obviously as I believe that to be impossible, but against the GT3 it remains the uglier bigger sister.
Having an opinion that differs to yours, doesn't necessarily mean I'm a moaning PH Granny either.
.....Guess I have no taste.
Slippydiff said:
"What is good to remember" ? Really ?
I'm utterly mystified by all the above. I'm not aware of any factory diktat stating understeer needed to be banished from the 911's chassis. Doing so should remain the responsibility of the driver, not the some faceless marketing led focus group.
There now appears to be a groundswell of opinion that the 911 chassis in all it's previous iterations has been "blighted" with understeer. When will individuals like you and the strategists at Porsche realise that's a massive part of the car's appeal for many ?
Why oh why this fixation (nee obsession) with removing every last trace of 911 "ness" from what most consider to be one of the finest drivers cars/experiences ever produced ?
If I want a car with a faithful, reliable and some would say dull, front end, I'd buy any modern Ferrari, BMW M car, or anything front engined and well honed. Mercedes GT-S anyone ?
But when I read this : "The 911 GT3RS puts the icing on the cake and we now after many years of having to have a more gentle approach to corner entry speed can attack in a way never possible before. What's more that massive increase in mechanical grip from the front end further enables us to control the rear so much easier with on and opposite lock in a way we never could before."
I'm left wondering A :Do the above comments relate to road or track use ? and B : If it's the former. Why ? Go buy a Cup car and do something worthwhile with it, because on track I can fully understand the need for a front end that provides massive grip and minimal tyre wear, but on a road car ? Where's the joy in having a 911 with such an accomplished front end you can't hope to begin to explore it's limits on the road ? The process of driving a 911 quickly on give and take roads in a variety of conditions now appears to have been completely de-skilled at the behest of a few chasing ultimate lap times around a well known 14.7 mile ribbon of tarmac in The Fatherland.
It's becoming more evident that the engineers at Stuttgart are pandering to the whims of the few who want them to produce a slick consumer product that a monkey can drive quickly , whilst the majority appear to crave the tactility and engagement offered by the old/re cars.
What's clear is the rot has now well and truly set in. This can't (and won't) end well for the 911 chassis as we know it.
I love your passion. I remember driving the early 911 Carreras back in the 80s and on occasion being so happy to get home. The fact that my friends in their Golf GT1s were faster in all conditions other than bone dry didn`t perturb me as I was side wards and enjoying the ride. Since those days I have been fortunate to experience the gradual technological development of the cars throughout the 911 ranges.I'm utterly mystified by all the above. I'm not aware of any factory diktat stating understeer needed to be banished from the 911's chassis. Doing so should remain the responsibility of the driver, not the some faceless marketing led focus group.
There now appears to be a groundswell of opinion that the 911 chassis in all it's previous iterations has been "blighted" with understeer. When will individuals like you and the strategists at Porsche realise that's a massive part of the car's appeal for many ?
Why oh why this fixation (nee obsession) with removing every last trace of 911 "ness" from what most consider to be one of the finest drivers cars/experiences ever produced ?
If I want a car with a faithful, reliable and some would say dull, front end, I'd buy any modern Ferrari, BMW M car, or anything front engined and well honed. Mercedes GT-S anyone ?
But when I read this : "The 911 GT3RS puts the icing on the cake and we now after many years of having to have a more gentle approach to corner entry speed can attack in a way never possible before. What's more that massive increase in mechanical grip from the front end further enables us to control the rear so much easier with on and opposite lock in a way we never could before."
I'm left wondering A :Do the above comments relate to road or track use ? and B : If it's the former. Why ? Go buy a Cup car and do something worthwhile with it, because on track I can fully understand the need for a front end that provides massive grip and minimal tyre wear, but on a road car ? Where's the joy in having a 911 with such an accomplished front end you can't hope to begin to explore it's limits on the road ? The process of driving a 911 quickly on give and take roads in a variety of conditions now appears to have been completely de-skilled at the behest of a few chasing ultimate lap times around a well known 14.7 mile ribbon of tarmac in The Fatherland.
It's becoming more evident that the engineers at Stuttgart are pandering to the whims of the few who want them to produce a slick consumer product that a monkey can drive quickly , whilst the majority appear to crave the tactility and engagement offered by the old/re cars.
What's clear is the rot has now well and truly set in. This can't (and won't) end well for the 911 chassis as we know it.
There are for me three things that stand out during this time, one is the gradual power increases, two is the weight increases and three the increasing amount of front end grip. Even on those old 911`s the rear end was petty good and we know the reason why. What is clear to me is that every generation of Porsche has improved in terms of its overall performance however that doesn`t mean we get more satisfaction from driving them.
Depends what you want. If you simply want to be the fastest then you will have to have the latest but if you want total driver involvement and white knuckle sweaty palm stuff then the old ones are best. In fact the older the better. Although Chris Harris did seem to get a bit of sweat on in his GT3RS test.
What you say about where Porsche is going is exactly what I said 25 years ago when they started building 4 wheel drive cars and adding the weight but they can`t stand still the GT cars are now built to be driven by a wider range of customers not just a few die hards. Even back in the 996 days the average Carrera man couldn`t cope with a GT3 and some Turbo guys who bought GT2 returned them almost immediately. Nowadays just about anyone can drive a GT3 reasonably quickly. Is this good or bad. I think its Porsches only option, we the customers want them to build the s best cars they can. Look to the pinnacle of motorsport the cars are safer and easier to drive now than say 20 years ago surely isn`t that what we want. So its a Turbo S for the road and a GT car for the track I personally go for the 911 GT3RS others would rightly rather wrestle with a 996 GT3RS or earlier. The wonderful thing is we have a choice.
GR GT2RS said:
I love your passion. I remember driving the early 911 Carreras back in the 80s and on occasion being so happy to get home. The fact that my friends in their Golf GT1s were faster in all conditions other than bone dry didn`t perturb me as I was side wards and enjoying the ride. Since those days I have been fortunate to experience the gradual technological development of the cars throughout the 911 ranges.
There are for me three things that stand out during this time, one is the gradual power increases, two is the weight increases and three the increasing amount of front end grip. Even on those old 911`s the rear end was petty good and we know the reason why. What is clear to me is that every generation of Porsche has improved in terms of its overall performance however that doesn`t mean we get more satisfaction from driving them.
Depends what you want. If you simply want to be the fastest then you will have to have the latest but if you want total driver involvement and white knuckle sweaty palm stuff then the old ones are best. In fact the older the better. Although Chris Harris did seem to get a bit of sweat on in his GT3RS test.
What you say about where Porsche is going is exactly what I said 25 years ago when they started building 4 wheel drive cars and adding the weight but they can`t stand still the GT cars are now built to be driven by a wider range of customers not just a few die hards. Even back in the 996 days the average Carrera man couldn`t cope with a GT3 and some Turbo guys who bought GT2 returned them almost immediately. Nowadays just about anyone can drive a GT3 reasonably quickly. Is this good or bad. I think its Porsches only option, we the customers want them to build the s best cars they can. Look to the pinnacle of motorsport the cars are safer and easier to drive now than say 20 years ago surely isn`t that what we want. So its a Turbo S for the road and a GT car for the track I personally go for the 911 GT3RS others would rightly rather wrestle with a 996 GT3RS or earlier. The wonderful thing is we have a choice.
Nice measured response There are for me three things that stand out during this time, one is the gradual power increases, two is the weight increases and three the increasing amount of front end grip. Even on those old 911`s the rear end was petty good and we know the reason why. What is clear to me is that every generation of Porsche has improved in terms of its overall performance however that doesn`t mean we get more satisfaction from driving them.
Depends what you want. If you simply want to be the fastest then you will have to have the latest but if you want total driver involvement and white knuckle sweaty palm stuff then the old ones are best. In fact the older the better. Although Chris Harris did seem to get a bit of sweat on in his GT3RS test.
What you say about where Porsche is going is exactly what I said 25 years ago when they started building 4 wheel drive cars and adding the weight but they can`t stand still the GT cars are now built to be driven by a wider range of customers not just a few die hards. Even back in the 996 days the average Carrera man couldn`t cope with a GT3 and some Turbo guys who bought GT2 returned them almost immediately. Nowadays just about anyone can drive a GT3 reasonably quickly. Is this good or bad. I think its Porsches only option, we the customers want them to build the s best cars they can. Look to the pinnacle of motorsport the cars are safer and easier to drive now than say 20 years ago surely isn`t that what we want. So its a Turbo S for the road and a GT car for the track I personally go for the 911 GT3RS others would rightly rather wrestle with a 996 GT3RS or earlier. The wonderful thing is we have a choice.
Yes I am very passionate about the older stuff, and by some standards I guess I'm relatively new to Porsche ownership thing (13-14 years now). My first 911 was a 964 RS, I've since gone on to own three more of them (still have one), but at the same time progressed through the ranks via a 993 RS, Mk1 996 GT3 (currently on my 4th ...) 996 GT2 (X2), 996 GT3 RS and Gen 1 997 GT3 (X2). I've not spent a massive amount of time in the really early aircooled stuff, but enough to know I like and appreciate the the degree of tactilty and engagement driving them involves.
But you're right, we do have a choice, and whilst I dipped my twice into 997 GT3 ownership, I didn't find the cars ticked the boxes I very specifically wanted, in short they lacked the ultimate tactility I enjoy in the 996 GT3 iterations (and specifically the Mk1).
But unlike some on here, I don't feel the need to have the latest, flashiest, fastest, grippiest car on the block. And as someone else has said in this very thread, that doesn't automatically mean those that eschew them are a bunch a "moaning grannies". And faced with AndrewD's vacous ramblings
or the views of Yellow 491's, I'd give more credence to the latter's, than to what on the face of it appear to frequently be a bunch of overbearing, opinionated, crass, gauche, badge jockeys.So far from my views on the 991 GT3 RS being prejudiced and without the benefit of having driven it, what I've actually done is experienced the "progress" that's been made with the 911 chassis through the years, in particular the 964 RS, 993 RS, 996 GT3/2, 996 GT3 RS and finally the Gen 1 997 GT3, and I've done so by actually owning AND driving them.........
And what I experienced with the 997 GT3, whilst impressive, just didn't do it for me, I found them too accomplished, too easy to drive quickly on the road and as a result just a bit "dull".
On the basis of my experiences with the 997 GT3, I've no reason to suspect the 991 GT3/RS will in any way be a retrograde step, and accordingly I think it safe to say they wouldn't appeal to me for the same reasons the 997 didn't. As has been said on here on many occasions previously, it ain't ALL about the speed. Buuuuuut, I do understand and accept that there are many on here who will see all the iterations of the 997 GT3/RS (and the 991 GT3) as a focused 911 panacea.
If Andrew were to actually read what I've written rather than responding with his usual mindless bluster
to what he thinks I'd written, he'd have realised there's no criticism of the 991 GT3 RS, merely concern that in chasing figures, the engineers at Stuttgart have further diluted the magic that is the original 911 driving experience.If he can't accept that, then perhaps he should p*ss off back to the overpriced rosso Fiat forum where he's clearly held in higher esteem
Edited by Slippydiff on Saturday 23 May 16:06
Slippydiff said:
Nice measured response Yes I am very passionate about the older stuff, and by some standards I guess I'm relatively new to Porsche ownership thing (13-14 years now).
My first 911 was a 964 RS, I've since gone on to own three more of them (still have one), but at the same time progressed through the ranks via a 993 RS, Mk1 996 GT3 (currently on my 4th ...) 996 GT2 (X2), 996 GT3 RS and Gen 1 997 GT3 (X2). I've not spent a massive amount of time in the really early aircooled stuff, but enough to know I like and appreciate the the degree of tactilty and engagement driving them involves.
But you're right, we do have a choice, and whilst I dipped my twice into 997 GT3 ownership, I didn't find the cars ticked the boxes I very specifically wanted, in short they lacked the ultimate tactility I enjoy in the 996 GT3 iterations (and specifically the Mk1).
But unlike some on here, I don't feel the need to have the latest, flashiest, fastest, grippiest car on the block. And as someone else has said in this very thread, that doesn't automatically mean those that eschew them are a bunch a "moaning grannies". And faced with AndrewD's vacous ramblings or the views of Yellow 491's, I'd give more credence to the latter's, than to what on the face of it appear to frequently be a bunch of overbearing, opinionated, crass, gauche, badge jockeys.
So far from my views on the 991 GT3 RS being prejudiced and without the benefit of having driven it, what I've actually done is experienced the "progress" that's been made with the 911 chassis through the years, in particular the 964 RS, 993 RS, 996 GT3/2, 996 GT3 RS and finally the Gen 1 997 GT3, and I've done so by actually owning AND driving them.........
And what I experienced with the 997 GT3, whilst impressive, just didn't do it for me, I found them too accomplished, too easy to drive quickly on the road and as a result just a bit "dull".
On the basis of my experiences with the 997 GT3, I've no reason to suspect the 991 GT3/RS will in any way be a retrograde step, and accordingly I think it safe to say they wouldn't appeal to me for the same reasons the 997 didn't. As has been said on here on many occasions previously, it ain't ALL about the speed. Buuuuuut, I do understand and accept that there are many on here who will see all the iterations of the 997 GT3/RS (and the 991 GT3) as a focused 911 panacea.
If Andrew were to actually read what I've written rather than responding with his usual mindless bluster to what he thinks I'd written, he'd have realised there's no criticism of the 991 GT3 RS, merely concern that in chasing figures, the engineers at Stuttgart have further diluted the magic that is the original 911 driving experience.
If he can't accept that, then perhaps he should p*ss off back to the overpriced rosso Fiat forum where he's clearly held in higher esteem
Touched a nerve have I granny? Yes I am very passionate about the older stuff, and by some standards I guess I'm relatively new to Porsche ownership thing (13-14 years now). My first 911 was a 964 RS, I've since gone on to own three more of them (still have one), but at the same time progressed through the ranks via a 993 RS, Mk1 996 GT3 (currently on my 4th ...) 996 GT2 (X2), 996 GT3 RS and Gen 1 997 GT3 (X2). I've not spent a massive amount of time in the really early aircooled stuff, but enough to know I like and appreciate the the degree of tactilty and engagement driving them involves.
But you're right, we do have a choice, and whilst I dipped my twice into 997 GT3 ownership, I didn't find the cars ticked the boxes I very specifically wanted, in short they lacked the ultimate tactility I enjoy in the 996 GT3 iterations (and specifically the Mk1).
But unlike some on here, I don't feel the need to have the latest, flashiest, fastest, grippiest car on the block. And as someone else has said in this very thread, that doesn't automatically mean those that eschew them are a bunch a "moaning grannies". And faced with AndrewD's vacous ramblings
or the views of Yellow 491's, I'd give more credence to the latter's, than to what on the face of it appear to frequently be a bunch of overbearing, opinionated, crass, gauche, badge jockeys.So far from my views on the 991 GT3 RS being prejudiced and without the benefit of having driven it, what I've actually done is experienced the "progress" that's been made with the 911 chassis through the years, in particular the 964 RS, 993 RS, 996 GT3/2, 996 GT3 RS and finally the Gen 1 997 GT3, and I've done so by actually owning AND driving them.........
And what I experienced with the 997 GT3, whilst impressive, just didn't do it for me, I found them too accomplished, too easy to drive quickly on the road and as a result just a bit "dull".
On the basis of my experiences with the 997 GT3, I've no reason to suspect the 991 GT3/RS will in any way be a retrograde step, and accordingly I think it safe to say they wouldn't appeal to me for the same reasons the 997 didn't. As has been said on here on many occasions previously, it ain't ALL about the speed. Buuuuuut, I do understand and accept that there are many on here who will see all the iterations of the 997 GT3/RS (and the 991 GT3) as a focused 911 panacea.
If Andrew were to actually read what I've written rather than responding with his usual mindless bluster
to what he thinks I'd written, he'd have realised there's no criticism of the 991 GT3 RS, merely concern that in chasing figures, the engineers at Stuttgart have further diluted the magic that is the original 911 driving experience.If he can't accept that, then perhaps he should p*ss off back to the overpriced rosso Fiat forum where he's clearly held in higher esteem
Edited by Slippydiff on Saturday 23 May 16:06
sidicks said:
IMIA said:
A credible response for an incredibly adversarial PH member methinks. Sorry popping out for a drive now old chum so can't feed you for the rest of the day.
If "adversarial" means asking people t justify their claims then I won't deny that. As ever, it's the usual nonsense claims from people like you, trying to put down those who own the later cars based on your own (perceived) superiority.
I'm sure it makes you feel good about yourself though.
IMIA said:
Tip for the day. Find a track, stick her in sport plus and she'll make you look like CH all day long. Nuff said.
Tip for the day - be prepared to back up your claims.All this b
hing about a car no one on here has driven yet (or seen in the flesh?) makes me think of this scene from Black Adder for some reason:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B6fluCc8b2A
hing about a car no one on here has driven yet (or seen in the flesh?) makes me think of this scene from Black Adder for some reason:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B6fluCc8b2A
Esceptico said:
All this bhing about a car no one on here has driven yet (or seen in the flesh?) makes me think of this scene from Black Adder for some reason:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B6fluCc8b2A
+1hing about a car no one on here has driven yet (or seen in the flesh?) makes me think of this scene from Black Adder for some reason:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B6fluCc8b2A
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