GT3 RS 1st road test.
Discussion
MollyGT3 said:
Lets be honest the manual monkey is always going to hang around so long as men produce something called testosterone! It is such a macho image that you guys have to have a stick in one hand. Yes - we all love an old-fashioned manual but really, IMVHO, you cannot change gear as quickly and efficiently as you can using the paddles of the most excellent PDK system in the GT3 (& obviously the RS is hardly going to be a lesser creature). FFS - just take a look at the bloke from Porsche setting the lap record at Bilster Berg - he is fighting the thing all the way round, gripping that dinky new steering wheel with grim determination and constantly shifting gear - to achieve the same one handed would be hard work and, I would risk saying unlikely to produce the same result!
Whilst out and about earlier I let our GT3 loose on some nice quiet roads and trust me, I too hung on to that steering wheel with grim determination. ........but then I would wouldn't I 'cos I'm a girl so probably not able to handle a real man's car with a proper manual gearbox
It's got nothing to do with testosterone, and everything to do with tactility and involvement. Anyone who fights a car on the road is driving like a coont, so being able to change gear quicker is a bit academic. I accept it would help set quicker times on a track. But if you want to be the quickest kid on a track in a sensibly priced production car, get yourself a GTR. A whole 10 secs quicker than the RS around the Ring. Whilst out and about earlier I let our GT3 loose on some nice quiet roads and trust me, I too hung on to that steering wheel with grim determination. ........but then I would wouldn't I 'cos I'm a girl so probably not able to handle a real man's car with a proper manual gearbox
Edited by Alpinestars on Sunday 31st May 00:25
Alpinestars said:
It's got nothing to do with testosterone, and everything to do with tactility and involvement. Anyone who fights a car on the road is driving like a coont, so being able to change gear quicker is a bit academic. I accept it would help set quicker times on a track. But if you want to be the quickest kid on a track in a sensibly priced production car, get yourself a GTR. A whole 10 secs quicker than the RS around the Ring.
I understand that position very well, which is why I have hung to my old 7.1RS for fun. However, in the longer run, I think it will start to fade, There will be a whole generation of new drivers who will see the performance advantages of the PDK type world, and will not develop the skills of H&T , manual car control with no nannies and so on. Edited by Alpinestars on Sunday 31st May 00:25
with the next generation of regular 911s which are all turbo, the power will go up and there is in my view a very bleak future for the naturally aspirated RS. It will not be quicker, and will set no records. In the end , the market will slowly shrink for it. Am glad to grab one now, and of course there is a very large use population of just about any kind of RS, so for those who want one, not a problem to get one. Nonetheless, I think we are in the twilight of the N/A 911.
As evo says it will make you feel like a super hero,but not!
A bit like folks bragging how many porsche and fiats they own,must make you feel like a proper hero,or granny.
If its just about a gearstick or pdk,you are missing the whole point of the rs version,and fa to do with macho nonsense.
The rs should have no aids,and be what its about,a light agile fast car ,who cares where it sits with other manufacturers and being left behind by a second or so.
But do enjoy your new cars.
A bit like folks bragging how many porsche and fiats they own,must make you feel like a proper hero,or granny.
If its just about a gearstick or pdk,you are missing the whole point of the rs version,and fa to do with macho nonsense.
The rs should have no aids,and be what its about,a light agile fast car ,who cares where it sits with other manufacturers and being left behind by a second or so.
But do enjoy your new cars.
APOLO1 said:
I have a 73 Elan sprint, not driven for a while, took it for blast last week, I can see that despite above there is something rewarding about a stick shift.......some times it not all about the speed..
The thing is the RS imv is all about evolution, if they brought out a car with stick shift, then it would not have RWS, along with the other tech bits....instead of being the bench mark it would just be left behind.....
like I said above, taking in to account the bhp , torque, these cars now have, think without the "aids", there would be a few offs..
took 918 for a good run at 6.30 this morning, the road was still a bit damp..pleased I left the traction on......
Sums it up well. Horses for courses and all that.The thing is the RS imv is all about evolution, if they brought out a car with stick shift, then it would not have RWS, along with the other tech bits....instead of being the bench mark it would just be left behind.....
like I said above, taking in to account the bhp , torque, these cars now have, think without the "aids", there would be a few offs..
took 918 for a good run at 6.30 this morning, the road was still a bit damp..pleased I left the traction on......
High res digital music is better/different to an LP? Both enjoyable in the right environment.
me thinks fun...
think track spec GT4, but to be blow away by speed and tactility, in the ilk of the bmws e46 csl, the new RS is supreme.
on track, not once did i miss the manual, you can always concentrate better on lines and braking. Now better drivers may have a different view but on the record lap, you can't say he wasn't having fun getting the car on limit with cups throughout the entire lap. What skill and what a car.
Driving on the road? I disagree with HC. I would be too fearful of losing my license or being involved in a accident to be driving that fast. I respect the law, other road users and my freedom. In that case, I rather have a manual lightweight car focusing on handling rather than power or grip.
think track spec GT4, but to be blow away by speed and tactility, in the ilk of the bmws e46 csl, the new RS is supreme.
on track, not once did i miss the manual, you can always concentrate better on lines and braking. Now better drivers may have a different view but on the record lap, you can't say he wasn't having fun getting the car on limit with cups throughout the entire lap. What skill and what a car.
Driving on the road? I disagree with HC. I would be too fearful of losing my license or being involved in a accident to be driving that fast. I respect the law, other road users and my freedom. In that case, I rather have a manual lightweight car focusing on handling rather than power or grip.
hunter 66 said:
Yellow forgot to shave again ............. nice bead coming on for the Classic ..... all entered so really looking forward to it now .... same big Camper .
Been practicing shuffling through the manual box in my sleep ......... life full paddles now..
Good man,just get the steaks and beer in,i am sure it wont take you long to learn to drive again😉,just dont get the wrong gearBeen practicing shuffling through the manual box in my sleep ......... life full paddles now..
You two need a big kamper with extra long beds!
Yellow491 said:
As evo says it will make you feel like a super hero,but not!
A bit like folks bragging how many porsche and fiats they own,must make you feel like a proper hero,or granny.
If its just about a gearstick or pdk,you are missing the whole point of the rs version,and fa to do with macho nonsense.
The rs should have no aids,and be what its about,a light agile fast car ,who cares where it sits with other manufacturers and being left behind by a second or so.
But do enjoy your new cars.
lol, one of your fellow grannies told me to leave, just pointed out since I have porsches no reason why I should leave, I think the granny was the one who mentioned fiats. But why let the facts get in the way of your fantasies?A bit like folks bragging how many porsche and fiats they own,must make you feel like a proper hero,or granny.
If its just about a gearstick or pdk,you are missing the whole point of the rs version,and fa to do with macho nonsense.
The rs should have no aids,and be what its about,a light agile fast car ,who cares where it sits with other manufacturers and being left behind by a second or so.
But do enjoy your new cars.
And by your definition, an rs should have no aids. Better rid the 96rs of the abs it has then. Takes away the skill of using the brakes properly. And those servos, bloody hell, all these nanny aids, where will they end, kids today, the modern world, uuurrrggghhh ........................ carrier lost
APOLO1 said:
The thing is the RS imv is all about evolution, if they brought out a car with stick shift, then it would not have RWS, along with the other tech bits....instead of being the bench mark it would just be left behind.....
like I said above, taking in to account the bhp , torque, these cars now have, think without the "aids", there would be a few offs..
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That is very true i agree but in some respects, is it necessarily a bad thing for people to treat cars of this kind of power and performance with a certain degree of added respect rather than simply trusting to the computers to get one out of trouble?like I said above, taking in to account the bhp , torque, these cars now have, think without the "aids", there would be a few offs..
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The GT/RS cars for me at least were never about necessarily being the performance benchmark though. If Porsche really wanted to turn a car with purely to being a lap time monster they would have used the 991 turbo s as the base to work from rather than a rwd NA car. Some decent weight saving, the aero on the RS, more boost for hp/torque and this hypothethical turbo s variant I suspect would absolutely batter the 991RS on track.
isaldiri said:
That is very true i agree but in some respects, is it necessarily a bad thing for people to treat cars of this kind of power and performance with a certain degree of added respect rather than simply trusting to the computers to get one out of trouble?
The GT/RS cars for me at least were never about necessarily being the performance benchmark though. If Porsche really wanted to turn a car with purely to being a lap time monster they would have used the 991 turbo s as the base to work from rather than a rwd NA car. Some decent weight saving, the aero on the RS, more boost for hp/torque and this hypothethical turbo s variant I suspect would absolutely batter the 991RS on track.
991 2RS?The GT/RS cars for me at least were never about necessarily being the performance benchmark though. If Porsche really wanted to turn a car with purely to being a lap time monster they would have used the 991 turbo s as the base to work from rather than a rwd NA car. Some decent weight saving, the aero on the RS, more boost for hp/torque and this hypothethical turbo s variant I suspect would absolutely batter the 991RS on track.
AndrewD said:
lol, one of your fellow grannies told me to leave, just pointed out since I have porsches no reason why I should leave, I think the granny was the one who mentioned fiats. But why let the facts get in the way of your fantasies?
And by your definition, an rs should have no aids. Better rid the 96rs of the abs it has then. Takes away the skill of using the brakes properly. And those servos, bloody hell, all these nanny aids, where will they end, kids today, the modern world, uuurrrggghhh ........................ carrier lost
Yes rs should have no or minimal aids,cup cars no abs,no rws etc ,grannies are the ones with all the aids are they not,i did think you should leave was a bit strong.And by your definition, an rs should have no aids. Better rid the 96rs of the abs it has then. Takes away the skill of using the brakes properly. And those servos, bloody hell, all these nanny aids, where will they end, kids today, the modern world, uuurrrggghhh ........................ carrier lost
Apolo i dont yearn for this one until the later Manuel car if it comes,we will see!
APOLO1 said:
Despite all of the above, don't think that there is a single one of us that does not have the desire to own one.....
Agree a lot of people would like one, but I do think all the talk of waiting lists and overs is driving a good proportion of the demand (at list price)...which means at some point there will many on the market (a la 991 GT3 at a higher price)LaSource said:
APOLO1 said:
Despite all of the above, don't think that there is a single one of us that does not have the desire to own one.....
Agree a lot of people would like one, but I do think all the talk of waiting lists and overs is driving a good proportion of the demand (at list price)...which means at some point there will many on the market (a la 991 GT3 at a higher price)APOLO1 said:
but all the fast stuff high bhp now days, has a DC (SV aside) of sorts, all the system's, rws,tv,lsd, etc.. are integrated to work with it.....after all it was never going to be anything other than a PDK-S..
..which raises the question in my mind as to how they hope to achieve a big-performance manual car as rumoured. It has to be a whole lot more complex than simply unplugging the optimization electronics and dropping in a gearbox. Six or seven speed manual?...could they get the performance to be close to the PDK or would it be embarrassingly slower in good hands?.RDMcG said:
APOLO1 said:
but all the fast stuff high bhp now days, has a DC (SV aside) of sorts, all the system's, rws,tv,lsd, etc.. are integrated to work with it.....after all it was never going to be anything other than a PDK-S..
..which raises the question in my mind as to how they hope to achieve a big-performance manual car as rumoured. It has to be a whole lot more complex than simply unplugging the optimization electronics and dropping in a gearbox. Six or seven speed manual?...could they get the performance to be close to the PDK or would it be embarrassingly slower in good hands?.Good example here although it would be interesting to see Plato in both manual vs PDK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=307&v=0WUDIGCt...
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