GT3 RS 1st road test.

GT3 RS 1st road test.

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Alpinestars

13,954 posts

243 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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AndrewD said:
No idea, not driven it yet. I seriously doubt people buy RS's in bygone days to enjoy them at legal speeds.
That may well be, but the 6, 7.1 and 7.2 engage at legal speeds. The 991 doesn't.

RSVP911

8,192 posts

132 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Alpinestars said:
That may well be, but the 6, 7.1 and 7.2 engage at legal speeds. The 991 doesn't.
Obviously I haven't driven the 991 RS , but I do have a 991 GT3 and I am also lucky enough to have a 997.2 RS - I find both of them extremely engaging and fun at low , medium and high speeds - they are both "best of breed" IMHO , just different. I see the 991 as the start of a new generation and the 997 as the end of one - a truely amazing car of its type & time . In truth , although I have an RS on order , I am slightly surprised that the reviews are not quite as glowing as I thought they would be - certainly not describing it as a "game changer" in the way that the GT3 was portrayed (I think this just shows how good the 991 GT3 is) It feels la little flat to me ; does anyone else think this ? Maybe once the proper road tests and comps. with the likes of the Speciale happen , then this will change ?

I also think the GT3 looks amazing in every single colour - this is a testament to really great design , whereas the RS just doesn't look quite as good to my eyes - maybe in the metal it will be different ?

Don't get me wrong , I know I'm really lucky to get an RS allocation and I am really looking forward to driving / owning the car - just not quite as much as I was when I ordered the 3 - it's really weird - I just can't quite work out why ?? scratchchin

Edited by RSVP911 on Thursday 21st May 23:13

Robbo66

3,828 posts

232 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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RSVP911 said:
Obviously I haven't driven the 991 RS , but I do have a 991 GT3 and I am also lucky enough to have a 997.2 RS - I find both of them extremely engaging and fun at low , medium and high speeds - they are both "best of breed" IMHO , just different. I see the 991 as the start of a new generation and the 997 as the end of one - a truely amazing car of its type & time . In truth , although I have an RS on order , I am slightly surprised that the reviews are not quite as glowing as I thought they would be - certainly not describing it as a game changer in the way the GT3 was portrayed (I think this just shows how good the 991 Gt3 is) it feels la little flat to me - does anyone else think this ? Maybe once the proper road tests and comps with the Speciale happen , then this will change ? I also think the GT3 looks amazing in every colour - a testament to really great design , where as the RS just doesn't look quite as good to my eyes - maybe in the metal it will be different ? Don't get me wrong , I know I'm really lucky to get an RS allocation and I am really looking forward to driving / owning the car - just not quite as much as I was when I ordered the 3 - weird - I just can't quite work out why ?? scratchchin
I can Rich, because it's not that far ahead of the GT3. All they seem to have done is raise, once again, the speed at which you have to travel to reach that buzz.
The tyres are beyond comprehension. Bit more torque, damper adjustment, bit more areo.... What else can they say ?.
We're really talking small degrees of perceived performance improvement here...the journo's seem a little stumped, and rightly so IMO.



PorscheGT4

21,146 posts

264 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Alpinestars said:
That may well be, but the 6, 7.1 and 7.2 engage at legal speeds. The 991 doesn't.
er at legal speeds so that's 60mph on B roads that will be 1st gear lol 2nd will get you points and 3rd will be double the nat speed limit.

they don't engage at all at legal speeds and come into their own blatting about at 125mph, which is a slight issue !

as for the 991, not spoken to a person who has it to 9k yet, all the cars are worse than pointless on the road, unless you want to ignore any limit and just go for it.
EVERY vid and I do mean every revew, the only time you see 9k is for the camera !! even the RS new vid with harris, he says" watch this in 3rd gear and runs out of road at about 6k revs" lol

it's a joke as is every super car, even my cars are a joke and you need to be 85 to 100+ mph to be having fun, but a GT3 is a step too far doing 125mph any where but running out of straight bits before the car revs out. !!!

Edited by PorscheGT4 on Friday 22 May 08:44


Edited by PorscheGT4 on Friday 22 May 08:45

sidicks

25,218 posts

220 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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PorscheGT4 said:
er at legal speeds so that's 60mph on B roads that will be 1st gear lol 2nd will get you points and 3rd will be double the nat speed limit.

they don't engage at all at legal speeds and come into their own blatting about at 125mph, which is a slight issue !

as for the 991, not spoken to a person who has it to 9k yet, all the cars are worse than pointless on the road, unless you want to ignore any limit and just go for it.
Really?!
rofl

PorscheGT4

21,146 posts

264 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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sidicks said:
Really?!
rofl
yep, but I only know 3 owners :-) even in the Harris vid the cars not reving out bar on track.

So you are saying you are reving out in 2nd and 3rd in the UK ? for one 2nd is not even legal speeds (whats 9k in 2nd ? 80mph ? even on a PDK)

cars are unusable unless you take BIG risks on speeds, as least in the older cars you could change gear (not very often though as you could never rev it out)

at least in a 458 you get to use the gears as they are much much shorter, but even on my test drive I was hitting 125mph with no issue.

ALl these cars are great cars, I am not saying they are not, but FFS not drivable unless you pretend to be like a biker and make claims to own the road.

even on my little vid I made in a car with 1/2 the bhp the comments I got were unsuitable speeds for that road, and that's not even going for it, just normal day to day risks.

what's worse is every nice biker road seems to have NOW been made 50mph limits and a lot of dual carraiges are 50mph down from 70mph.

ALL PORSCHE cars are ruined imo for the road, the long gearing has killed them off for fun, I am taking a big look into what I own in 2016, might even go back to an Elise.

People say PDK is shorter but they still do 74mph In a Boxster in 2nd, POINTLESS. only RS I bet I will see is at Harrods round the back.

Edited by PorscheGT4 on Friday 22 May 09:06

sidicks

25,218 posts

220 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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PorscheGT4 said:
yep, but I only know 3 owners :-) even in the Harris vid the cars not reving out bar on track.

So you are saying you are reving out in 2nd and 3rd in the UK ? for one 2nd is not even legal speeds (whats 9k in 2nd ? 80mph ? even on a PDK)
Where did I say that?

PorscheGT4 said:
cars are unusable unless you take BIG risks on speeds, as least in the older cars you could change gear (not very often though as you could never rev it out)
I do not agree.

PorscheGT4 said:
at least in a 458 you get to use the gears as they are much much shorter, but even on my test drive I was hitting 125mph with no issue.

ALl these cars are great cars, I am not saying they are not, but FFS not drivable unless you pretend to be like a biker and make claims to own the road.
Disagree - I accept that they can't be used to their full potential on the road, but that applies to numerous cars. I can have plenty of fun on the road without endangering my licence or other people.


PorscheGT4

21,146 posts

264 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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one word

"bkS"

I am sorry you are are lying to yourself, there is NO fun at 60mph when a car does 80mph in 2nd !, I take a rule that I will do 20mph over the road limits and take a risk on points (been to court 3 times for big speeding issue)

so I have no idea what your idea of fun is, I have been out with a few people and their idea of fun is not mine in a fast car, crusing in town !!!

to that note I am off to Angelsey to use my car on track with PCGB see ya, :-) only place to use the car to get some thing from it (ps my court days are well past me when I was in my 20's btw)

But I do see a few tossers in 911's who seem to want to overtake a Boxster at any cost on public roads !! I drive every day and a 911's seems to take the most issue to Caymans and Boxster for some odd reason.

I would love you to take me out in the GT3 and show me what legal fun is !

Edited by PorscheGT4 on Friday 22 May 09:17

sidicks

25,218 posts

220 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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PorscheGT4 said:
one word

"bkS"

I am sorry you are are lying to yourself, there is NO fun at 60mph when a car does 80mph in 2nd !, I take a rule that I will do 20mph over the road limits and take a risk on points (been to court 3 times for big speeding issue)
Speak for yourself - plenty of other people will disagree with you!

PorscheGT4 said:
so I have no idea what your idea of fun is, I have been out with a few people and their idea of fun is not mine in a fast car, crusing in town !!!
And yet you make the comment above...

PorscheGT4 said:
to that note I am off to Angelsey to use my car on track with PCGB see ya, :-) only place to use the car to get some thing from it (ps my court days are well past me when I was in my 20's btw)
And?

PorscheGT4 said:
But I do see a few tossers in 911's who seem to want to overtake a Boxster at any cost on public roads !! I drive every day and a 911's seems to take the most issue to Caymans and Boxster for some odd reason.
Relevance of this comment?


LaSource

2,622 posts

207 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Cars are not meant to be driven on the red line all the time.

Though a car does need to compensate in other ways when driven more gently (e.g. make you feel good, have a sense of occasion/glamour, sound good, you enjoy roadtrip with the other half, etc)

Agree that a GT3 (or for that matter any high performance car) should be tracked in order to fully experience its performance envelope.
...that's why non trackable high performance cars interest me less...

...that is also why a £200k track car (assuming it trades at that price point) makes less sense because it becomes too expensive to track for most...the 4.0RS is a little different as it is a collector car now more than a track car.

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

243 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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David, I have to say you are talking total tosh. On the one hand you're judging fun in the gt3 at legal speeds, and on the other you've moved the goal posts for the 458 to 125mph. On top of that, there's nothing that says you cannot have fun and be engaged in a car at legal speeds. It needs to be the right car. In my view, and I accept others have different views, the earlier GT3's engage in spades, whatever the speed. The 458 and 991 don't. Too much car. The 6 and 7 RS' are far more engaging on the road than the Boxster Spyder as and example. And to be fair to the Spyder, that's not bad either.

Have you driven a 991 GT3?

PorscheGT4

21,146 posts

264 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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sidicks said:
and
And ! it means I 'll be on track where there are no speed limits and will be with like mined people not internet fools/troll who are deluded :-)

PorscheGT4

21,146 posts

264 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Alpinestars said:
David, I have to say you are talking total tosh. On the one hand you're judging fun in the gt3 at legal speeds, and on the other you've moved the goal posts for the 458 to 125mph. On top of that, there's nothing that says you cannot have fun and be engaged in a car at legal speeds. It needs to be the right car. In my view, and I accept others have different views, the earlier GT3's engage in spades, whatever the speed. The 458 and 991 don't. Too much car. The 6 and 7 RS' are far more engaging on the road than the Boxster Spyder as and example. And to be fair to the Spyder, that's not bad either.

Have you driven a 991 GT3?
why tosh, I said I took a 458 to 125mph I don't own one but at least in 2nd and 3rd you can have a bit of fun and enjoy the car because of the lower ratio's, no goal posts moved, just FACTS stated.

I have to go, off to Wales and tracks days, see any one who is going Tomorrow :-) weather looks good.

As I said people are deluded, and I'll prob be in a Elsie CUP or some thing in 2016.

sidicks

25,218 posts

220 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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PorscheGT4 said:
And ! it means I 'll be on track where there are no speed limits and will be with like mined people not internet fools/troll who are deluded :-)
You are deluded by your sense of self-importance - your opinion is just that, and different people have different opinions which are no less valid than yours.

LaSource

2,622 posts

207 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Are ratios not a bit irrelevant in an automated gearbox? Its not like you are doing anything as the car accelerates...may as well be a single gear milk float smile

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

243 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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LaSource said:
Are ratios not a bit irrelevant in an automated gearbox? Its not like you are doing anything as the car accelerates...may as well be a single gear milk float smile
Now you're talking tosh! I was going to make that point but realised the act of pulling an index finger 5mm is not "not doing anything". Very satisfying when you get it right.

isaldiri

18,412 posts

167 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Alpinestars said:
LaSource said:
Are ratios not a bit irrelevant in an automated gearbox? Its not like you are doing anything as the car accelerates...may as well be a single gear milk float smile
Now you're talking tosh! I was going to make that point but realised the act of pulling an index finger 5mm is not "not doing anything". Very satisfying when you get it right.
Only when it's PDK-S and not PDK..... wink

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

243 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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LaSource said:
Are ratios not a bit irrelevant in an automated gearbox? Its not like you are doing anything as the car accelerates...may as well be a single gear milk float smile
Now you're talking tosh! I was going to make that point but realised the act of pulling an index finger 5mm is not "not doing anything". Takes a lot of practice and driving god status. But it's very satisfying when you get it right.

sidicks

25,218 posts

220 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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LaSource said:
Are ratios not a bit irrelevant in an automated gearbox? Its not like you are doing anything as the car accelerates...may as well be a single gear milk float smile
Please explain...

GT3SG

176 posts

208 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Robbo66 said:
RSVP911 said:
Obviously I haven't driven the 991 RS , but I do have a 991 GT3 and I am also lucky enough to have a 997.2 RS - I find both of them extremely engaging and fun at low , medium and high speeds - they are both "best of breed" IMHO , just different. I see the 991 as the start of a new generation and the 997 as the end of one - a truely amazing car of its type & time . In truth , although I have an RS on order , I am slightly surprised that the reviews are not quite as glowing as I thought they would be - certainly not describing it as a game changer in the way the GT3 was portrayed (I think this just shows how good the 991 Gt3 is) it feels la little flat to me - does anyone else think this ? Maybe once the proper road tests and comps with the Speciale happen , then this will change ? I also think the GT3 looks amazing in every colour - a testament to really great design , where as the RS just doesn't look quite as good to my eyes - maybe in the metal it will be different ? Don't get me wrong , I know I'm really lucky to get an RS allocation and I am really looking forward to driving / owning the car - just not quite as much as I was when I ordered the 3 - weird - I just can't quite work out why ?? scratchchin
I can Rich, because it's not that far ahead of the GT3. All they seem to have done is raise, once again, the speed at which you have to travel to reach that buzz.
The tyres are beyond comprehension. Bit more torque, damper adjustment, bit more areo.... What else can they say ?.
We're really talking small degrees of perceived performance improvement here...the journo's seem a little stumped, and rightly so IMO.
100% agree - it is slightly underwhelming, and I am not quite sure why. Wont stop me getting one though! Unless you'd like to buy it from me Rob????