Best pads for 996 Track and Fast Road Use
Discussion
All,
After 8 years of happy tracking in a 64RSL and N/GT I have tucked them away and am developing a 996C2 for track use.
So far I have fitted KW Clubsports, Polybushed, Eibach ARB, X51 Sump, Low Temp Therm, Momo GT3 wheel etc.
Did my first day at the weekend and the car was great but the brakes overheated pretty quickly.
I am unsure as to what the pads are - they are a weird turquoise colour - discs are OE AFAIK.
Any recommendations on pads, I used OE in both RS and have been happy with them but open to suggestions.
many thanks,
Kevin
After 8 years of happy tracking in a 64RSL and N/GT I have tucked them away and am developing a 996C2 for track use.
So far I have fitted KW Clubsports, Polybushed, Eibach ARB, X51 Sump, Low Temp Therm, Momo GT3 wheel etc.
Did my first day at the weekend and the car was great but the brakes overheated pretty quickly.
I am unsure as to what the pads are - they are a weird turquoise colour - discs are OE AFAIK.
Any recommendations on pads, I used OE in both RS and have been happy with them but open to suggestions.
many thanks,
Kevin
By X51 sump, do you mean with the scavenge pump too? If not, then get one ASAP (available as a stand alone part from Porsche I believe, due to race cars that weren't allowed more power needing them) or better still get an Accusump. I raced a Boxster S for Hartech for 2 seasons with 100% reliability whilst others in 986's and 996's without an Accusump were suffering oil starved blown engines.
I don't know what pads Hartech ran on the Boxster or 996 but it'd be worth asking them as they worked pretty well. I did have slight overheating issues once or twice I think but minor and on slicks (although a a lighter car), I think we tried RS29's once which are great but expensive. For non competitive track day use the ones we ran were more than good enough.
It'd be interesting if you started a thread about the development of your car with photos etc
I don't know what pads Hartech ran on the Boxster or 996 but it'd be worth asking them as they worked pretty well. I did have slight overheating issues once or twice I think but minor and on slicks (although a a lighter car), I think we tried RS29's once which are great but expensive. For non competitive track day use the ones we ran were more than good enough.
It'd be interesting if you started a thread about the development of your car with photos etc
boxsey said:
Kev, also fit the GT3 cooling ducts. Sifly has just fitted them to his 996 and said the brakes were much improved at Anglesey. The brakes certainly felt good to me when he let me take his car round for a few laps.
good shout, I also have these fitted to my Spyder and cost is about £15.ZX10R NIN said:
The Four Pots are fine for track use, Change the Brake Fluid fit some Performance Friction Pads & you won't have anymore over heating issues.
I am fancying the PF pads as my mate has a more developed car and uses these pads but is unsure of the grade installed on his car.Any ideas specifically which pad material?
I already have SRF fluid.
Thanks,
Kevin
thegoose said:
By X51 sump, do you mean with the scavenge pump too? If not, then get one ASAP (available as a stand alone part from Porsche I believe, due to race cars that weren't allowed more power needing them) or better still get an Accusump. I raced a Boxster S for Hartech for 2 seasons with 100% reliability whilst others in 986's and 996's without an Accusump were suffering oil starved blown engines.
I don't know what pads Hartech ran on the Boxster or 996 but it'd be worth asking them as they worked pretty well. I did have slight overheating issues once or twice I think but minor and on slicks (although a a lighter car), I think we tried RS29's once which are great but expensive. For non competitive track day use the ones we ran were more than good enough.
It'd be interesting if you started a thread about the development of your car with photos etc
Marcus,I don't know what pads Hartech ran on the Boxster or 996 but it'd be worth asking them as they worked pretty well. I did have slight overheating issues once or twice I think but minor and on slicks (although a a lighter car), I think we tried RS29's once which are great but expensive. For non competitive track day use the ones we ran were more than good enough.
It'd be interesting if you started a thread about the development of your car with photos etc
AFAIK I just have the motorsport sump kit from Porsche which I believe is simply a more heavily baffled sump - I don't think that there is any additional scavenge over and above the normal ones in the heads.
Will have a chat with the boys at 9M who did the work as this sounds interesting....
The car doesn't look very interesting at the mo' as all the money has gone into the underside but I will try and post some pics....of the steering wheel at least :-)
Cheers,
Kevin
boxsey said:
Kev, also fit the GT3 cooling ducts. Sifly has just fitted them to his 996 and said the brakes were much improved at Anglesey. The brakes certainly felt good to me when he let me take his car round for a few laps.
Update from Silly, apparently I already have the ducts!Must be the cadburys pads - they look suspiciously like nut truffles :-)
Slippydiff said:
No, it wouldn't be ideal Kevin, depends on what you've been using, if it's standard Textar compound, it shouldn't be too much of an issue, but a pad with higher temperature range (with a harder to remove transfer layer) could be.
Truth is I haven't a clue what the pads are but in terms of high temp performance they are nothing like as good as Textar which I have run in the yellow RS all over the place and never had an issue - these gave up after 5 laps of Anglesey.I asked about Pagids 'cos my N/GT had blacks in when I bought it and I had problems with them - lots of hammer through the steering wheel once up to temp @ Oulton - the thinking at the time was that they objected to residue from a previous pad on the disk, switching to OE (Textar) removed the problem 90%+
On this basis I may be safer trying the performance fiction pads?
asbi said:
ZX10R NIN said:
The Four Pots are fine for track use, Change the Brake Fluid fit some Performance Friction Pads & you won't have anymore over heating issues.
I am fancying the PF pads as my mate has a more developed car and uses these pads but is unsure of the grade installed on his car.Any ideas specifically which pad material?
I already have SRF fluid.
Thanks,
Kevin
asbi said:
Truth is I haven't a clue what the pads are but in terms of high temp performance they are nothing like as good as Textar which I have run in the yellow RS all over the place and never had an issue - these gave up after 5 laps of Anglesey.
I asked about Pagids 'cos my N/GT had blacks in when I bought it and I had problems with them - lots of hammer through the steering wheel once up to temp @ Oulton - the thinking at the time was that they objected to residue from a previous pad on the disk, switching to OE (Textar) removed the problem 90%+
On this basis I may be safer trying the performance fiction pads?
If you want to be sure that the brakes are tip top before our Spa trip I would go with Slippy's suggestion of Pagid RS29s all round. Because they are so expensive I would put new discs on at the same time as this would be more economical in the long run. You'll probably get a couple of years of trackdays out of new RS29s and discs.I asked about Pagids 'cos my N/GT had blacks in when I bought it and I had problems with them - lots of hammer through the steering wheel once up to temp @ Oulton - the thinking at the time was that they objected to residue from a previous pad on the disk, switching to OE (Textar) removed the problem 90%+
On this basis I may be safer trying the performance fiction pads?
My experience of fitting new pads to worn discs is that you'll get brake judder. That's the last thing you want when you've spent so much on the new pads.
FYI my 964 is on Brembo HP2000 pads and OE discs and works great but it's probably easier on its brakes than your 996.
If you've got separate bells and rotors, it may be worth considering removing the rotors and getting them surface ground? This will remove the transfer layer and should give zero run out on the disc.
A lot of engineering companies will have surface grinders (massive bit of kit) who should be able to do this for a fraction of the price of "skimming the discs", etc.
A lot of engineering companies will have surface grinders (massive bit of kit) who should be able to do this for a fraction of the price of "skimming the discs", etc.
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