Another dilemma..996 and Kids?!?!
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Evening all,
Okay I have hankered after a 911 for a long time and am finally (well nearly) in the position to purchase. Originally I was after a 993, might still be (c2s or c4s, or tt if funds allow), but my life has been invaded by rug rats, 2 actually. A 1yr old and 4yr old.
My wife would dearly love it if I got something like an M3 or RS4 but the residuals on the M3 are plain bonkers and the RS4 isn't aging well (my opinion and not that of..blah blah)
So rock stars, what will it be. Is the 996 better suited to my particular requirements, will I (only) be able to get an early c2 or c4 and not the tasty 996 c4s (will they ever loose money??)
Some real world, non dealer, type help would be greatly appreciated.
ps: we have a school run car aswell, so the children won't be in it often.
Thanks.
Okay I have hankered after a 911 for a long time and am finally (well nearly) in the position to purchase. Originally I was after a 993, might still be (c2s or c4s, or tt if funds allow), but my life has been invaded by rug rats, 2 actually. A 1yr old and 4yr old.
My wife would dearly love it if I got something like an M3 or RS4 but the residuals on the M3 are plain bonkers and the RS4 isn't aging well (my opinion and not that of..blah blah)
So rock stars, what will it be. Is the 996 better suited to my particular requirements, will I (only) be able to get an early c2 or c4 and not the tasty 996 c4s (will they ever loose money??)
Some real world, non dealer, type help would be greatly appreciated.
ps: we have a school run car aswell, so the children won't be in it often.
Thanks.
Burnt,
what sort of budget are you looking at, will it stretch to tt money?
I have a tt and two kids with another on the way but like you i have a second car so i told the missus when we go out she can follow behind with the kids!There are only two things in life that bring a smile to your face;- your kids and your tt.
what sort of budget are you looking at, will it stretch to tt money?
I have a tt and two kids with another on the way but like you i have a second car so i told the missus when we go out she can follow behind with the kids!There are only two things in life that bring a smile to your face;- your kids and your tt.
Thanks all.
t urbo, will the budget stretch to a 996 turbo...doubtful, and the 996 c4s appears to hold it's money even better. Looking at late 30's, low 40's so I might with a wing and a pray get one. As I mentioned the other option is a 993, but 'shirley' they must be even harder on the little 'uns?
t urbo, will the budget stretch to a 996 turbo...doubtful, and the 996 c4s appears to hold it's money even better. Looking at late 30's, low 40's so I might with a wing and a pray get one. As I mentioned the other option is a 993, but 'shirley' they must be even harder on the little 'uns?
burnt said:
Thanks all.
t urbo, will the budget stretch to a 996 turbo...doubtful, and the 996 c4s appears to hold it's money even better. Looking at late 30's, low 40's so I might with a wing and a pray get one. As I mentioned the other option is a 993, but 'shirley' they must be even harder on the little 'uns?
I'm not sure where you got the idea that C4S's don't lose money.
They do. Big time (like pretty much every 996).
A good car but don't buy one thinking that you won't lose a shed-load.
Cheers
Here's my two pence worth. I've got a 993 and two sprogs; 3yrs and 18 months old. The 993 is a third car. Luckily we have got an Exec Saloon load lugger/cruiser and also a leave at the station hatchback, so the 993 is for special trips only. The sprogs love the 993 and the sense of occasion involved in going out in it. However, they do get bored very quickly. They sit so low they can't get much of a view out. I would say their tolerance limit is about one and a half hours when bribed with jelly tots. Any more than this is just not feasible. Also the 993 just wll not carry our luggage and all the other bits associated with the kids. Also, if you do manage to get everyone and everything in the 993 it really is no fun having a sprog constantly whining, kicking the back of your seat and pulling on your seat belt. Much less stressful to take the Exec saloon and keep the 993 for fun.
I'm sure the 996 is better. A bit more room in the back and more refined.
Good luck!
I'm sure the 996 is better. A bit more room in the back and more refined.
Good luck!
whoami said:
Thanks all.
t urbo, will the budget stretch to a 996 turbo...doubtful, and the 996 c4s appears to hold it's money even better. Looking at late 30's, low 40's so I might with a wing and a pray get one. As I mentioned the other option is a 993, but 'shirley' they must be even harder on the little 'uns?
I'm not sure where you got the idea that C4S's don't lose money.
They do. Big time (like pretty much every 996).
A good car but don't buy one thinking that you won't lose a shed-load.
Cheers
i can guarantee they lose money. especially if you try and sell it on to a dealer after 12 months.
buy it because you want one. plain and simple
911nutter said:
i can guarantee they lose money. especially if you try and sell it on to a dealer after 12 months.
buy it because you want one. plain and simple
I thought I saw your car for sale in the classified section. Very nice to, that would be ideal, but over budget, which is a shame.
If they are dropping that much perhaps I should wait 6 months.
t urbo said:
Burnt,
what sort of budget are you looking at, will it stretch to tt money?
I have a tt and two kids with another on the way but like you i have a second car so i told the missus when we go out she can follow behind with the kids!There are only two things in life that bring a smile to your face;- your kids and your tt.
... don't let the wife see this thread
I used to own a 996 but sold it precisely because it isn't a car that's suitable for small children who need child seats, push-chairs and the like.
The car was just about useable with one child from birth up to about the age of two, but only at the expense of the front passenger being cramped up with their knees against the dash. Even like this, my son would not be able to stretch his legs in the back - they'd be squashed up against the front seat. There's no way you could have fit a childseat behind the driver and still drive.
Assuming you do manage to cram your youngest into the back behind your wife, unless you are a midget, either you or your 4 old behind you is not going to be terribly comfortable. I'm not particularly tall, but with me driving there's still only 5-10cm of legroom behind me.
Then there's buggies and all other bits that young children need. Assuming you can even find one that will fit the front luggage compartment, there won't be room left for much else.
All this said, as a driving tool the 996 is a great car. If your work and personal circumstances mean that you'd still get a lot of chance to drive it alone, I'd say get one. But if you are looking for a fun car to enjoy with your whole family at the weekend, I would seriously say look elsewhere.
The car was just about useable with one child from birth up to about the age of two, but only at the expense of the front passenger being cramped up with their knees against the dash. Even like this, my son would not be able to stretch his legs in the back - they'd be squashed up against the front seat. There's no way you could have fit a childseat behind the driver and still drive.
Assuming you do manage to cram your youngest into the back behind your wife, unless you are a midget, either you or your 4 old behind you is not going to be terribly comfortable. I'm not particularly tall, but with me driving there's still only 5-10cm of legroom behind me.
Then there's buggies and all other bits that young children need. Assuming you can even find one that will fit the front luggage compartment, there won't be room left for much else.
All this said, as a driving tool the 996 is a great car. If your work and personal circumstances mean that you'd still get a lot of chance to drive it alone, I'd say get one. But if you are looking for a fun car to enjoy with your whole family at the weekend, I would seriously say look elsewhere.
I bought a 996 C4S last February for £54k, sold it last week to a dealer for £44k (ok, it was speed yellow) Kids were not really a problem (I'm 6'2") in the back seats (mine are 8 and 5) but lack of space does mean weekends away are a real exercise in survival packing.
If you are looking at the RS4 check out the specific forums, word is the oil Audi spec's (0w30) is causing longer term problems (does seem rather a thin grade for a turbo'd car) and people in Germany are scared/taking preventitive measures...Audi don't care.
I'm looking for a new toy, don't want another Porsche unless it's a 993 RS (mine had the RMS go, puts me off the new fangled water cooled generation)
Rgds
Cman
If you are looking at the RS4 check out the specific forums, word is the oil Audi spec's (0w30) is causing longer term problems (does seem rather a thin grade for a turbo'd car) and people in Germany are scared/taking preventitive measures...Audi don't care.
I'm looking for a new toy, don't want another Porsche unless it's a 993 RS (mine had the RMS go, puts me off the new fangled water cooled generation)
Rgds
Cman
Once the kids are big enough that you can dispense with child seats and buggies (but before they become big teenagers) I think the 996 would become a viable proposition again...so probably when the youngest one is at least 4 years old.
I also found lifting small children in and out of the rear seats pretty uncomfortable work, as being twisted around at an angle with 12kg wriggling at arms length isn't the most pleasant position to be in. It's not so bad if you're going to be doing a long-ish drive, rather less nice if you're out visiting half a dozen shops.
I also found lifting small children in and out of the rear seats pretty uncomfortable work, as being twisted around at an angle with 12kg wriggling at arms length isn't the most pleasant position to be in. It's not so bad if you're going to be doing a long-ish drive, rather less nice if you're out visiting half a dozen shops.
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