FOR SALE- a 991 GT3RS-140 miles on the clock.
Discussion
IMI A said:
I wanted to buy one so my Mrs could attend a few trackdays with me. She has a dodgy left knee which makes it difficult for her to drive my own cars. I would have kept the car for a few years. Senior sales guys have their own system of back handers. Porsche's own fault as the salespeople and even the sales manager struggle to make a decent living and they do not give them enough cars to satisfy demand. Couldn't care less myself and good luck to them.
Correct me if I'm wrong but if you are the same chap, after you damaged a 991 Turbo S demonstrator there was no chance in hell of you getting anywhere near a GT3. I know the saleswoman you dealt with and she told me the story. She very nearly lost her job over that as she should never have lent you £160k worth of brand new Turbo.
cgt2 said:
IMI A said:
I wanted to buy one so my Mrs could attend a few trackdays with me. She has a dodgy left knee which makes it difficult for her to drive my own cars. I would have kept the car for a few years. Senior sales guys have their own system of back handers. Porsche's own fault as the salespeople and even the sales manager struggle to make a decent living and they do not give them enough cars to satisfy demand. Couldn't care less myself and good luck to them.
Correct me if I'm wrong but if you are the same chap, after you damaged a 991 Turbo S demonstrator there was no chance in hell of you getting anywhere near a GT3. I know the saleswoman you dealt with and she told me the story. She very nearly lost her job over that as she should never have lent you £160k worth of brand new Turbo.
majordad said:
This last post is OT but so interesting in a modern PH way ! You binned a demo Turbo S on the way to a trackday and your wife is involved as well with Leptrons ( them being the fall back currency of Greece ).
no no just stone chips on front of the demo 991 turbo S. When we started talking re changeover figures etc to a 991 Turbo S (after I'd paid for the repairs on their demo) they offered me £28k in px for a 1 owner 2007 997 turbo with a new engine and 59,000 miles. Hence my comment re Hatfield being an average sales operation as in my view my car even today is still worth £45k so i decided to keep my 997 turbo and have it lightly breathed on by 9e. To finish the story when I rejected their offer of £28k they immediately came back with a second of £33k stating one of their staff wanted to buy my car as it was in such good condition lol. I wasn't impressed as why not just offer me £33k in first place and happy I did not buy a 991 turbo S with hindsight as was buying it for the wrong reasons - my wife has her own very nice car and she can stick to that lol. I was pissed off with her for damaging their car. I paid out just under £6k for stone chips on front end. Quite rightly so as she shouldn't have been driving it like hooligan.RSVP911 said:
I am told (from a good source) that retro fitting a cage invalidates warranty - this may be rubbish though - sounded odd to me 
Pretty sure Porsche would provide you with an OEM cage if you can demonstrate its going into an RS chassis number and if the OPC sorts it all out and fits it, I'd be surprised if it affected the warranty, especially the original factory one. Still, bonkers to spec it without a cage in the first place! DT398 said:
Pretty sure Porsche would provide you with an OEM cage if you can demonstrate its going into an RS chassis number and if the OPC sorts it all out and fits it, I'd be surprised if it affected the warranty, especially the original factory one. Still, bonkers to spec it without a cage in the first place!
Not correct, whilst plenty of aftermarket ones available, if you try and add RC to a none CS,( even if OEM) it does affect warranty, went through all this with my comfort spec GT3, in the end just brought another one with CS pack.....I would imagine Porsche's lawyers would be pretty busy defending them not warranting an engine blow up on the basis of a metal cage fitted to the interior of the car when the car is under the manufacturer's warranty.
Presumably your point is that a "properly specced" club sport packaged 991 RS is worth a hundred and eleventy twelve gazillion pounds on the used market and the car in question only sold for "about £200k" because of the spec?
Presumably your point is that a "properly specced" club sport packaged 991 RS is worth a hundred and eleventy twelve gazillion pounds on the used market and the car in question only sold for "about £200k" because of the spec?
DT398 said:
I would imagine Porsche's lawyers would be pretty busy defending them not warranting an engine blow up on the basis of a metal cage fitted to the interior of the car when the car is under the manufacturer's warranty.
Presumably your point is that a "properly specced" club sport packaged 991 RS is worth a hundred and eleventy twelve gazillion pounds on the used market and the car in question only sold for "about £200k" because of the spec?
Think that's a bit harsh - my Intel on cage vs. warranty was Apolo and was months ago - so it has nothing to do with RS values .Presumably your point is that a "properly specced" club sport packaged 991 RS is worth a hundred and eleventy twelve gazillion pounds on the used market and the car in question only sold for "about £200k" because of the spec?
DT398 said:
Pretty sure Porsche would provide you with an OEM cage if you can demonstrate its going into an RS chassis number and if the OPC sorts it all out and fits it, I'd be surprised if it affected the warranty, especially the original factory one. Still, bonkers to spec it without a cage in the first place!
Not entirely sure on this. I asked about retrofitting the roll cage for the 7.2 RS for sale at Solihull 18 months ago and they said speccing CS delete meant something to do with fitting the OEM cage was missing and I would have to get any cage fitted outside of the OPCs. Odd anyone would buy a RS without cage anyway, especially with the intention of selling early...isaldiri said:
Not entirely sure on this. I asked about retrofitting the roll cage for the 7.2 RS for sale at Solihull 18 months ago and they said speccing CS delete meant something to do with fitting the OEM cage was missing and I would have to get any cage fitted outside of the OPCs. Odd anyone would buy a RS without cage anyway, especially with the intention of selling early...
It OK, he's wrong...I know that car well, the grey with red? went to the end of the line to get it through...its a no... that car was originally specked for some one that wanted bucket's , but required use of the back space.Our mate at the Den, tried with my GT3 also....
If you retro fit one also, don't see how it can go back into network....200k for a none CS, good price imv.......
Edited by APOLO1 on Saturday 25th July 19:46
DT398 said:
I would imagine Porsche's lawyers would be pretty busy defending them not warranting an engine blow up on the basis of a metal cage fitted to the interior of the car when the car is under the manufacturer's warranty.
Presumably your point is that a "properly specced" club sport packaged 991 RS is worth a hundred and eleventy twelve gazillion pounds on the used market and the car in question only sold for "about £200k" because of the spec?
do I think a full CS spec, is worth more than none CS spec on 991 GT3 RS.......Presumably your point is that a "properly specced" club sport packaged 991 RS is worth a hundred and eleventy twelve gazillion pounds on the used market and the car in question only sold for "about £200k" because of the spec?
Now I know why you bailed.......lol
RSVP911 said:
Think that's a bit harsh - my Intel on cage vs. warranty was Apolo and was months ago - so it has nothing to do with RS values .
You might be right. And maybe be an OPC won't do the cage, so apologies if I'm wrong on that but I still don't think it would invalidate the manufacturers warranty if you had one fitted. Bonkers to leave it out in the first place! IMI A said:
Yes same chap but I've never bought a car from OPC Hatfield. Always buy from another OPC as I've always found Hatfield a bit sterile -not sure why. My wife damaged it going past a gritter at 140 leptons and I paid for the damage which I wasn't obliged to do so not sure why she nearly lost her job. With hindsight wish I'd not accepted their offer and bit peeved when I later found out that they have telling people we took the car to a track day. I actually pulled them up on this. Its a shyte sales operation at Hatfield IMO
Just going by what I was told but she loaned you a brand new 991 Turbo S when she apparently did not qualify you properly as a 991 Turbo buyer and as you confirm above you had no intention of buying a car. She was finding her feet as a new salesperson and when the car was returned damaged it caused quite a stink as clearly the £100k jump from an old 997 into a new Turbo was beyond your means (they felt) and she should not have loaned you the car. There are always two sides to a story but the damage certainly caused her a lot of pain at work. What new Porsches have you bought from other OPC's? And is it wise to state you were doing 140 Leptons on an internet forum?? Hmmm 
I think your view of them is equalled by their view of you so it's mutual!
cgt2 said:
IMI A said:
Yes same chap but I've never bought a car from OPC Hatfield. Always buy from another OPC as I've always found Hatfield a bit sterile -not sure why. My wife damaged it going past a gritter at 140 leptons and I paid for the damage which I wasn't obliged to do so not sure why she nearly lost her job. With hindsight wish I'd not accepted their offer and bit peeved when I later found out that they have telling people we took the car to a track day. I actually pulled them up on this. Its a shyte sales operation at Hatfield IMO
Just going by what I was told but she loaned you a brand new 991 Turbo S when she apparently did not qualify you properly as a 991 Turbo buyer and as you confirm above you had no intention of buying a car. She was finding her feet as a new salesperson and when the car was returned damaged it caused quite a stink as clearly the £100k jump from an old 997 into a new Turbo was beyond your means (they felt) and she should not have loaned you the car. There are always two sides to a story but the damage certainly caused her a lot of pain at work. What new Porsches have you bought from other OPC's? And is it wise to state you were doing 140 Leptons on an internet forum?? Hmmm I think your view of them is equalled by their view of you so it's mutual!
cgt2 said:
IMI A said:
Yes same chap but I've never bought a car from OPC Hatfield. Always buy from another OPC as I've always found Hatfield a bit sterile -not sure why. My wife damaged it going past a gritter at 140 leptons and I paid for the damage which I wasn't obliged to do so not sure why she nearly lost her job. With hindsight wish I'd not accepted their offer and bit peeved when I later found out that they have telling people we took the car to a track day. I actually pulled them up on this. Its a shyte sales operation at Hatfield IMO
Just going by what I was told but she loaned you a brand new 991 Turbo S when she apparently did not qualify you properly as a 991 Turbo buyer and as you confirm above you had no intention of buying a car. She was finding her feet as a new salesperson and when the car was returned damaged it caused quite a stink as clearly the £100k jump from an old 997 into a new Turbo was beyond your means (they felt) and she should not have loaned you the car. There are always two sides to a story but the damage certainly caused her a lot of pain at work. What new Porsches have you bought from other OPC's? And is it wise to state you were doing 140 Leptons on an internet forum?? Hmmm I think your view of them is equalled by their view of you so it's mutual!
I felt terrible for the young girl in sales and was livid with my other half but unfortunately not sure what more I can do other than offer to pay for the damage which I did without any pressure from the OPC. I stand by my comment about them being a poor sales operation which is a shame as I only live 10-15 mins down the road. If they feel the same way I can certainly understand why after my wife trashed their car but do remember its a demonstrator and occasionally they get written off during test drives let alone a few stone chips which can always be fixed. Whats the young lady up to as I've not seen her there? She's lovely and I now feel terrible again about it if its not worked out for her there because of that situation.
I was told directly by the salesperson involved. Just felt it was ironic someone talking about not being offered a GT3 RS as if they were a very good customer after they had previously damaged a brand new demonstrator by admittedly doing some silly speeds on the public road and nearly got said saleswoman fired!
IMI A said:
You're not reading properly as I said I've never bought a car from Hatfield OPC not that I would not. Last car I bought from an OPC new was a 2007 997 turbo. Also pls note I wasn't doing 140 leptons my wife was. I felt terrible about the damage my Mrs caused. My other half (who at 33 is young) still laughs about it but I can assure you I didn't find it funny at all. Without exaggerating If I wanted to buy 20 991 turbo S (new) I'm in the fortunate position to be liquid with no debt whatsoever so not sure how Porsche Hatfield can assess whether I qualify or was qualified properly to buy a 991 turbo S? They offered me a poor deal on change over and I declined - I'm quite happy with that as previously mentioned with hindsight.
I felt terrible for the young girl in sales and was livid with my other half but unfortunately not sure what more I can do other than offer to pay for the damage which I did without any pressure from the OPC. I stand by my comment about them being a poor sales operation which is a shame as I only live 10-15 mins down the road. If they feel the same way I can certainly understand why after my wife trashed their car but do remember its a demonstrator and occasionally they get written off during test drives let alone a few stone chips which can always be fixed. Whats the young lady up to as I've not seen her there? She's lovely and I now feel terrible again about it if its not worked out for her there because of that situation.
That makes sense, thank you. I only heard one side of the story. She is about to get married!I felt terrible for the young girl in sales and was livid with my other half but unfortunately not sure what more I can do other than offer to pay for the damage which I did without any pressure from the OPC. I stand by my comment about them being a poor sales operation which is a shame as I only live 10-15 mins down the road. If they feel the same way I can certainly understand why after my wife trashed their car but do remember its a demonstrator and occasionally they get written off during test drives let alone a few stone chips which can always be fixed. Whats the young lady up to as I've not seen her there? She's lovely and I now feel terrible again about it if its not worked out for her there because of that situation.
cgt2 said:
IMI A said:
You're not reading properly as I said I've never bought a car from Hatfield OPC not that I would not. Last car I bought from an OPC new was a 2007 997 turbo. Also pls note I wasn't doing 140 leptons my wife was. I felt terrible about the damage my Mrs caused. My other half (who at 33 is young) still laughs about it but I can assure you I didn't find it funny at all. Without exaggerating If I wanted to buy 20 991 turbo S (new) I'm in the fortunate position to be liquid with no debt whatsoever so not sure how Porsche Hatfield can assess whether I qualify or was qualified properly to buy a 991 turbo S? They offered me a poor deal on change over and I declined - I'm quite happy with that as previously mentioned with hindsight.
I felt terrible for the young girl in sales and was livid with my other half but unfortunately not sure what more I can do other than offer to pay for the damage which I did without any pressure from the OPC. I stand by my comment about them being a poor sales operation which is a shame as I only live 10-15 mins down the road. If they feel the same way I can certainly understand why after my wife trashed their car but do remember its a demonstrator and occasionally they get written off during test drives let alone a few stone chips which can always be fixed. Whats the young lady up to as I've not seen her there? She's lovely and I now feel terrible again about it if its not worked out for her there because of that situation.
That makes sense, thank you. I only heard one side of the story. She is about to get married!I felt terrible for the young girl in sales and was livid with my other half but unfortunately not sure what more I can do other than offer to pay for the damage which I did without any pressure from the OPC. I stand by my comment about them being a poor sales operation which is a shame as I only live 10-15 mins down the road. If they feel the same way I can certainly understand why after my wife trashed their car but do remember its a demonstrator and occasionally they get written off during test drives let alone a few stone chips which can always be fixed. Whats the young lady up to as I've not seen her there? She's lovely and I now feel terrible again about it if its not worked out for her there because of that situation.
cgt2 said:
I was told directly by the salesperson involved. Just felt it was ironic someone talking about not being offered a GT3 RS as if they were a very good customer after they had previously damaged a brand new demonstrator by admittedly doing some silly speeds on the public road and nearly got said saleswoman fired!
Sorry I've just seen this and I said I deal with a very nice fellow called Richard Lane who kindly supplied my last few new Porsches albeit that was while ago and it was him I had a coffee with to try and get into a GT3 RS.I suppose it all depends on the definition of a very good customer! As previously mentioned my own view is that damaging a demo car with a few stone chips due to youthful exuberance of my wife but then paying for that damage of my own volition (when I certainly wasn't obliged to) certainly doesn't make me a bad customer.
Everything you've said just reinforces my view of Porsche Hatfield being thoroughly unprofessional operation though. Yes their very lovely car was damaged (which by the way they pestered me to take on loan for a few days and I finally agreed as I liked the idea of perhaps having a sports car my wife could also occasionally also use because I have a manual which she struggles with).
I'm sure OPC Hatfield have had cars damaged before as any car dealer experiences but to bad mouth their customers with lies is just unforgivable and far worse than a few stone chips on a car. I know first hand that they said we took the car to a track which is complete and utter nonsense. They're also according to you running around telling people like you that I cannot afford a new car - thats just uninformed nonsense and what sort of training is Hatfield OPC giving them to discuss other customers with their "very good customers" even if their suspicions were correct? Thats terribly bad form and sums up everything I've suspected for a while about OPC Hatfield.
Nothing special but in the last 12 months I've bought a new GL63 AMG for my wife and recently a new Range Rover Autobiography for Sept/Oct delivery for myself. That could just have easily been a pair of Cayenne Turbo S from OPC Hatfield. I wish I hadn't paid for the damage now but even with their badmouthing I still think it was the right thing to do. My wife advised me not to pay them anything and perhaps I should have listened to her. Next time I go there I'm definitely going to have a word with their dealer principal.
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