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Cheburator mk2 said:
As to your theory about rear biased set-up - I like it too - but if it was really that good for Joe Public, what a bunch of morons those people at Porsche are! Trying to engineer it out for the last 30yrs, funnily enough, by ultimately adopting an evolution of the 928's Weissach rear suspension. They could have hired you from the start...
What exactly have Porsche been trying to "engineer out" of the 911 for the last 30 years? They've stuck adamantly to the rear engined 911 layout and all it's inherent pros and cons during all that time. That alone should tell you that it's not a bad concept for a road going sports car. The 928 was an attempt to do something different and it ultimately failed in that aim. Doesn't mean it's a bad car, but I don't look at it as being anything particularly special either. Neither does the classic car market, looking at values today.It's not MY theory by the way, it's just basic vehicle dynamics knowledge that I've gained along the way.
uktrailmonster said:
What exactly have Porsche been trying to "engineer out" of the 911 for the last 30 years? They've stuck adamantly to the rear engined 911 layout and all it's inherent pros and cons during all that time. That alone should tell you that it's not a bad concept for a road going sports car. The 928 was an attempt to do something different and it ultimately failed in that aim. Doesn't mean it's a bad car, but I don't look at it as being anything particularly special either. Neither does the classic car market, looking at values today.
It's not MY theory by the way, it's just basic vehicle dynamics knowledge that I've gained along the way.
This is getting stupid... You of all people should know there is very little similarity underneath between your 1980s 911 and my MY2000 GT3. Or perhaps we should compare the suspension of the new GT3 with that of the first 911? As to values - a 928GTS 5-spd is worth about £30k to £70k, which given they were £10k about 3yrs ago is a pretty decent recognition. It's not MY theory by the way, it's just basic vehicle dynamics knowledge that I've gained along the way.
Anyway, the 911 is the best ever platform, nothing can touch it, 928s are rubbish, and should all be scrapped. There... Happy?
Cheburator mk2 said:
This is getting stupid... You of all people should know there is very little similarity underneath between your 1980s 911 and my MY2000 GT3. Or perhaps we should compare the suspension of the new GT3 with that of the first 911? As to values - a 928GTS 5-spd is worth about £30k to £70k, which given they were £10k about 3yrs ago is a pretty decent recognition.
Anyway, the 911 is the best ever platform, nothing can touch it, 928s are rubbish, and should all be scrapped. There... Happy?
Perhaps you should re-read my posts. I merely commented that a rearward weight distribution is not a fundamentally bad concept for a road going sportscar in response to someone saying that the front engined 50-50 928 layout was a step forward. I don't remember saying that the 928 was rubbish at any point or worse than the 911 of the time that it was supposed to replace. But for whatever reason it simply didn't appeal to the buyers of the time and that is a fact. It still doesn't appeal to me today as much as a classic 911 for all sorts of reasons, both objective and subjective.Anyway, the 911 is the best ever platform, nothing can touch it, 928s are rubbish, and should all be scrapped. There... Happy?
My point was that your GT3 and my SC both have the same engine layout and therefore a similar rearward weight distribution. They are worlds apart in chassis rigidity, suspension installation stiffness and power, but due fundamentally to the rearward weight distribution they both have excellent traction, braking and great steering feel.
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