997 C2S - any comments?
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g7jhp said:
If you've been looking at buying a new manual 991 surely you can spend a little more and get a 997.2 in a colour you really want.
But I think he really liked the colour, that was the whole point! It's more a case of having to wait patiently if you don't want the usual black/grey/silver cars.ORD said:
I have been sorely tempted by a 997 GTS in the past but agree re centre locks. I think it's a safe place to put money, though, to be honest. 'Specials' always do well even if not very special. It got rave reviews at the time.
I wouldn't let the centre-locks put you off too much though. I've seen plenty without them too, almost as many as with. It was a factory option to delete the centre-locks. As you are specifically after a manual too I think resale of a manual GTS will be easier than a standard manual S. Most people looking for a gen 2 Carrera S will want PDK too. The GTS should attract the purists more. Values appear to be solid too as not that many were made in the run out. uktrailmonster said:
g7jhp said:
If you've been looking at buying a new manual 991 surely you can spend a little more and get a 997.2 in a colour you really want.
But I think he really liked the colour, that was the whole point! It's more a case of having to wait patiently if you don't want the usual black/grey/silver cars.I'm just suggesting picking another colour he likes as it comes up and paying a little more if necessary.
uktrailmonster said:
g7jhp said:
He didn't want black, white or silver and concerned about the potential pain selling green at a hit.
So he'll just have to buy a grey one then! But he did specifically like the green despite a potential resale hit. 
anonymous said:
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Thanks.A 997 GT3 was actually the first car that popped into mind but the price of them is just crazy. 8 years old and not lost a penny, I know there is a bubble going on at the moment but for the mean time that boat has sailed.
I also checked out 996 GT3's and god they are expensive considering the age of the car. I really want to stick with Porsche but I feel forced to leave the brand. Now I'm leaning towards an R8 V10 with a manual box.
anonymous said:
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I think it's safe to say that 997 and 991 Carreras are pretty sanitised machines and not really intended to be special weekend toys. But then I never thought much of the 993 C2 in that regard either. At the risk of upsetting the beards, I thought it was quite a dull drive. I even thought the 993 Turbo was boring, but I did have a 964 RS at the time which was far more alive than any of those. That was certainly a weekend toy, but a PITA for normal use.Anyway drifting off topic above, a 997 C2S is still a great car, sanitised or not. The 991 is even better I think, but only incrementally so rather than any amazing leap forward. That's what I concluded after a weekend in a 991 GTS anyway. Everything was just that little bit better than my 997.2 4S. I didn't think it was any more or less sanitised either.
Are you serious OP. You want to decide upon a car through the opinions, prejudices, likes and dislikes of every man jack on these forums most of whom will be most concerned to convince themselves that their Cayman or whatever is better than anything else? The 2wd versus awd argument is typical, the 2wd is 'purer' it would seem but not if it's a turbo when it has to be awd. In any case the .2 awd is effectively 2wd until you need some fwd. Just go try them, but don't be prejudiced, having owned awd, 2wd in 996 and 997 variations I don't recognise half the comments on these forums. If you want the most versatile and ultimately quickest and safest car from A to B in all conditions then go for awd.
anonymous said:
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Think it's the other way round Moose!Having a different master cylinder or 'bush rates' is obviously critical it would seem. Choice is subjective, I find the Cayman lightweight, lacking in character and impracticable the OP may not Who knows, but hypocritical nonsense such as the above doesn't help
No idea what Baz is on about now 
There are quite a few people on here who are excellent at spotting when a car is priced well, and there is even a reasonable chance that someone would pipe up and say "That was my car!". I am perfectly capable of filtering out the purely subjective or bonkers and taking in only the worthwhile input.
In any case, I am going to give the green 911 a look this weekend if it is still around.
There are quite a few people on here who are excellent at spotting when a car is priced well, and there is even a reasonable chance that someone would pipe up and say "That was my car!". I am perfectly capable of filtering out the purely subjective or bonkers and taking in only the worthwhile input.
In any case, I am going to give the green 911 a look this weekend if it is still around.
Baz99 said:
I have studied my few previous posts Pete and cannot see any reason for your comment so presumably you are referring to cmoose, bit rude don't you think?
Definitely aimed at cmoose I expect. I've always found him to be extremely opinionated and polarised in his views. Nothing wrong with that I suppose, but he can never see an opposing viewpoint. Debating with him (I've tried a few times) is like wrestling with a pig in s
t. At some point you realise that the pig actually likes it. uktrailmonster said:
Baz99 said:
I have studied my few previous posts Pete and cannot see any reason for your comment so presumably you are referring to cmoose, bit rude don't you think?
Definitely aimed at cmoose I expect. I've always found him to be extremely opinionated and polarised in his views. Nothing wrong with that I suppose, but he can never see an opposing viewpoint. Debating with him (I've tried a few times) is like wrestling with a pig in st. At some point you realise that the pig actually likes it. For the record I don't mind Cmoose, I don't agree with everything he says but at least shows his working out so he gets marks for that.
SkinnyPete said:
I was referring to Barry99 actually, people complain about MrD but by comparison he is harmless.
For the record I don't mind Cmoose, I don't agree with everything he says but at least shows his working out so he gets marks for that.
Sorry Pete, too busy working out my 'bush rates' and worrying about my master cylinder size. Agreed though, far to many 'prats' on this site welcome aboard.For the record I don't mind Cmoose, I don't agree with everything he says but at least shows his working out so he gets marks for that.
I took the green 997 for a drive today. Lovely engine, suspension felt fine to me, looked gorgeous in the real world. The interior was a bit worn even for a 50k mile car. A lot of people really don't take care when putting things in and out of cars it seems - loads of scuffing and scratching of the leather.
To my eye, a 997 interior with lots of leather is streets ahead of the 991 interior.
Handling was pretty similar to my 987, to be honest. I think people exaggerate the differences in ride and handling - it felt a bit lighter over the front wheels, a little less stable and a tiny bit less neutral (although I didn't really push hard enough to tell whether I prefer it or not).
As for the engine - lovely. The 3.8 is better than I remembered it. And PDK really does get in the way of appreciating these engines. Going from the manual 997 to my PDK car, it felt like a hundred metres of guff had been placed between my right foot and the engine. I don't think the 3.8 spins any less easily than the 3.4 and it copes better with the long gears.
To my eye, a 997 interior with lots of leather is streets ahead of the 991 interior.
Handling was pretty similar to my 987, to be honest. I think people exaggerate the differences in ride and handling - it felt a bit lighter over the front wheels, a little less stable and a tiny bit less neutral (although I didn't really push hard enough to tell whether I prefer it or not).
As for the engine - lovely. The 3.8 is better than I remembered it. And PDK really does get in the way of appreciating these engines. Going from the manual 997 to my PDK car, it felt like a hundred metres of guff had been placed between my right foot and the engine. I don't think the 3.8 spins any less easily than the 3.4 and it copes better with the long gears.
Nice feedback, though I take it you are giving it a miss due to the poor condition of the interior?
You are right though, 997 with leather is much nicer than the 991.
My next concern regard picking a 997 is PASM or not to PASM, in other words 3.6 or 3.8 (all 3.8s have PASM). This may deserve a new thread on its own.
You are right though, 997 with leather is much nicer than the 991.
My next concern regard picking a 997 is PASM or not to PASM, in other words 3.6 or 3.8 (all 3.8s have PASM). This may deserve a new thread on its own.
Beknown said:
Nice feedback, though I take it you are giving it a miss due to the poor condition of the interior?
You are right though, 997 with leather is much nicer than the 991.
My next concern regard picking a 997 is PASM or not to PASM, in other words 3.6 or 3.8 (all 3.8s have PASM). This may deserve a new thread on its own.
I am not sure. I did some more searching online last night, and decent manual 997.2 C2S cars are hard to find. If you rule out the white, black and grey/silver cars, you are down to several across the whole country. It is the best available at the moment. The colour is genuinely gorgeous in the metal. You are right though, 997 with leather is much nicer than the 991.
My next concern regard picking a 997 is PASM or not to PASM, in other words 3.6 or 3.8 (all 3.8s have PASM). This may deserve a new thread on its own.
It has PASM (although the spec didn't say so). It was perhaps slightly softer than the 987 but not much. I think it's quite pleasant for normal road driving. I think the complaints that people have are that it gets confused by trail braking and generally messes about with your own attempts to transfer weight and balance the car. Problem is that you would have to drive a PASM car quite hard to uncover this flaw, so I imagine you won't pick it up on a test drive.
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