Is the bubble about to burst?
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highway said:
Sadiq hits everything pre 05 with an extra £10 per day on top of the congestion charge from late next
Year.
Well, anyone with a beautiful car -forget about any classic, would not dare to go to that London mayhem during congestion hours anyway. Forget about £10 charge, the damage to the car would be more colossal Year.
highway said:
Sadiq hits everything pre 05 with an extra £10 per day on top of the congestion charge from late next
Year.
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Year.
Digga said:
In a way, I'm surprised this has gone through, because there is an angle of elitism to it. Aside from the regressive nature of the charge in the first place, it could be argued the less wealthy - those who can't afford new vehicles - are hit even harder. I guess, if you only use your car occasionally, then it's still cheaper to run a banger, rather than take the depreciation hit on shiny new crap.
SADIQ is proving to be a slippery individual. He also rocked upto City Airport to meet local residents concerned about expansion consequences, noise and pollution. Within 10 minutes he slipped out of the meeting and gave the go ahead for expansion. sparta6 said:
Digga said:
In a way, I'm surprised this has gone through, because there is an angle of elitism to it. Aside from the regressive nature of the charge in the first place, it could be argued the less wealthy - those who can't afford new vehicles - are hit even harder. I guess, if you only use your car occasionally, then it's still cheaper to run a banger, rather than take the depreciation hit on shiny new crap.
SADIQ is proving to be a slippery individual. He also rocked upto City Airport to meet local residents concerned about expansion consequences, noise and pollution. Within 10 minutes he slipped out of the meeting and gave the go ahead for expansion. 
t done. You can't really fault him for that, at least. Might not get re-elected, but getting the job done.anonymous said:
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I wondered this, but then the zietgeist really does seem to be shifting rapidly to EVs, which kind of makes sense as the technology is improving. Certainly, I can see why JLR elected to sit our the hybrid phase of the car development and go directly to an EV.The benefits of reduced oil consumption, aside from (localised, at least) pollution from burning hydrocarbons, is that we're less reliant on that cartel OPEC and we can let them get back to squabbling amongst themselves in their sand pit.
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well, I wonder if he has some sort of dodgy deal with a car manufacturer than to sell more snotters to Londoners? for 24/7, its absolutely stupid. So are they gonna punish all small car owners like smart or minis out there, pre 05 registration too? absolute bonkers.Errrr........ have we drifted completely off topic or am I operating in a parallel dimension?
Yes, diesels should be hit hard. A mistake was made punishing owners of cars by engine size whilst encouraging diesels and we have since discovered that they are the enemy within. Now it seems that HMG do not want to recognize their mistake and reverse the situation.
As for London, I am not sure why anyone would want to drive, deliveries aside. Cycle, taxi or public transport is the way forward.
Back on topic it does sound as if long term there may be a readjustment in prices but in the short term the flippers and devils incarnate ie non driver/car storage experts will remain happy with their 'ill-gotten' gains.
As for manual optioned GT3/RS cars I do think that there is a large following of 'stick' drivers within the Porsche community. There are those that enjoy the clear interaction between car, driver and road. Whilst the automatic may have opened up a new market these are probably those that are less track centric.
As per the pages and pages of discussion on the new automatic/paddle shift GT3 these cars have moved further and further away from an interactive platform and more towards a car that will do it for you and some are happy with that, others not. I liken it to thise that I work with who drive from A to B (new areas in foregin countries) with their iPhone stuck on the dash and Google maps showing them where to go. They continue to do this day in and day out and then as a result never learn the area - dope on a rope.
Pip
Yes, diesels should be hit hard. A mistake was made punishing owners of cars by engine size whilst encouraging diesels and we have since discovered that they are the enemy within. Now it seems that HMG do not want to recognize their mistake and reverse the situation.
As for London, I am not sure why anyone would want to drive, deliveries aside. Cycle, taxi or public transport is the way forward.
Back on topic it does sound as if long term there may be a readjustment in prices but in the short term the flippers and devils incarnate ie non driver/car storage experts will remain happy with their 'ill-gotten' gains.
As for manual optioned GT3/RS cars I do think that there is a large following of 'stick' drivers within the Porsche community. There are those that enjoy the clear interaction between car, driver and road. Whilst the automatic may have opened up a new market these are probably those that are less track centric.
As per the pages and pages of discussion on the new automatic/paddle shift GT3 these cars have moved further and further away from an interactive platform and more towards a car that will do it for you and some are happy with that, others not. I liken it to thise that I work with who drive from A to B (new areas in foregin countries) with their iPhone stuck on the dash and Google maps showing them where to go. They continue to do this day in and day out and then as a result never learn the area - dope on a rope.
Pip
More track centric? In a H pattern manual? Paddle boxes come from the track. When Chris Harris reviewed the 911R and explained how you could drive it in nothing but 3rd all I could think is how DISengaged that is.
I've heard a lot of old romantic tosh about manuals thatvI don't agree with but "track centric" takes the biscuit.
I've heard a lot of old romantic tosh about manuals thatvI don't agree with but "track centric" takes the biscuit.
ishay said:
More track centric? In a H pattern manual? Paddle boxes come from the track. When Chris Harris reviewed the 911R and explained how you could drive it in nothing but 3rd all I could think is how DISengaged that is.
I've heard a lot of old romantic tosh about manuals thatvI don't agree with but "track centric" takes the biscuit.
I think he meant the market for cars with paddles has expanded to include a lot of owners who are less inclined to take the car on track, not that the car is not as well honed for the track. I've heard a lot of old romantic tosh about manuals thatvI don't agree with but "track centric" takes the biscuit.
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Already happening - see plans in Paris, Madrid etc. - you can bet someone as greasy as Kahn won't miss a trick that popular with the urban pseudo-eco-left.Enforced introduction of coal-powered EVs will only increase demand for classic stuff as far as I can see.
In contrast to RM's mad marathon in Milan, yesterday in London Bonhams offered the following:
2004 Porsche Carrera GT 'sold' post-sale for undisclosed amount
Ex-Robert Coucher (Octane mag) 1973 Porsche 911S 2.4 Targa (£150,000 - £180,000) hammered at £130k, £147.1k all-in
1988 Porsche 911 Carrera Club Sport 3.2 (£180,000 - £220,000) very nice car, Not Sold
1973 Porsche 911S 2.4 (£180,000 - £240,000) also nice, Not Sold
2004 Porsche Carrera GT 'sold' post-sale for undisclosed amount
Ex-Robert Coucher (Octane mag) 1973 Porsche 911S 2.4 Targa (£150,000 - £180,000) hammered at £130k, £147.1k all-in
1988 Porsche 911 Carrera Club Sport 3.2 (£180,000 - £220,000) very nice car, Not Sold
1973 Porsche 911S 2.4 (£180,000 - £240,000) also nice, Not Sold
SRT Hellcat said:
So that's five Carrera GT's that I know of sold in the last couple of weeks. I wonder what it sold for.
Its only passed onto another dealer,its my old cgt,nothing wrong with it,wanted for nothing especially with the last owner.Probably better than a 2500 mile car thats been sat for ages.I have never seen so many cgt for sale at the moment,especially in the usa,i guess owners hoping to cash in on the inflated prices.Maintenance costs can be eye watering if you are not used to such cars.
Was it £550K. But they are incredibly special, so maybe a price that has to be paid. We will never see the like of such an analogue weapon again. Personally I believe they are the greatest supercar ever built. Just wish I bought one when they began with a 2
Edited by SRT Hellcat on Thursday 8th December 23:59
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