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Not the same question. It may well be more enjoyable or more easily turned into a fun B-road blaster, but the chassis will not be objectively better unless Porsche went very wrong somewhere! In the same way, the 991 chassis is better than the 997, but the car is less enjoyable to drive.
IMI A said:
Is your 997 a GT model? If so i wonder if you'd still say the same thing if the 964 C2 was on modern Ohlins suspension and had a 4.0 Ed Pink 400bhp engine 
. The 964 C2 or even better RS have wonderful chassis which can take so much more power.
If I win lottery I'm going to do this!
Yes it's a GT car and the 964 is on aftermarket suspension but not running 400 horses. I can't see it being a better drive than the 7, but if you bastardise it enough, who knows. But when does it stop becoming a 964?. The 964 C2 or even better RS have wonderful chassis which can take so much more power.If I win lottery I'm going to do this!
Alpinestars said:
IMI A said:
Is your 997 a GT model? If so i wonder if you'd still say the same thing if the 964 C2 was on modern Ohlins suspension and had a 4.0 Ed Pink 400bhp engine . The 964 C2 or even better RS have wonderful chassis which can take so much more power.
If I win lottery I'm going to do this!
Yes it's a GT car and the 964 is on aftermarket suspension but not running 400 horses. I can't see it being a better drive than the 7, but if you bastardise it enough, who knows. But when does it stop becoming a 964?. The 964 C2 or even better RS have wonderful chassis which can take so much more power.If I win lottery I'm going to do this!
I wouldn't do this to a good 964 but if you find a rusty old non runner it would be very tempting indeed.
IMI A said:
Modern suspension tech and engine tech wasn't around when the 964 was introduced in the same way as it is now. I can't see the issue in upgrading the engine and putting it on the latest suspension and rubber especially if you intend to use the car as much as possible. Still fundamentally a 964 which will swap ends on you if you're ham fisted with it.
I wouldn't do this to a good 964 but if you find a rusty old non runner it would be very tempting indeed.
Using the latest tech on a 997 and bringing it up to 991 spec wouldn't improve it IMO. It's a goldilocks moment and era for me. Having to bastardise something so much, and still asserting that a "generic" car is better than a non bastardised newer car is disingenuous. I wouldn't do this to a good 964 but if you find a rusty old non runner it would be very tempting indeed.
My experience of a 964 is that without a lsd and without a schoolboy lift mid bend, it's nigh on impossible to get the ends to swap.
Alpinestars said:
IMI A said:
Modern suspension tech and engine tech wasn't around when the 964 was introduced in the same way as it is now. I can't see the issue in upgrading the engine and putting it on the latest suspension and rubber especially if you intend to use the car as much as possible. Still fundamentally a 964 which will swap ends on you if you're ham fisted with it.
I wouldn't do this to a good 964 but if you find a rusty old non runner it would be very tempting indeed.
Using the latest tech on a 997 and bringing it up to 991 spec wouldn't improve it IMO. It's a goldilocks moment and era for me. Having to bastardise something so much, and still asserting that a "generic" car is better than a non bastardised newer car is disingenuous. I wouldn't do this to a good 964 but if you find a rusty old non runner it would be very tempting indeed.
My experience of a 964 is that without a lsd and without a schoolboy lift mid bend, it's nigh on impossible to get the ends to swap.
IMI A said:
Well I suppose you have to define improvement. Getting rid of PASM all together on a 997 would improve it for me. Thats obviously taking it further away from a 991. You need to drive your 964 a bit harder especially in the wet!
One of my GTs has Intrax passive suspension and the other has PASM. I've tried pretty hard to get the back end out on the 964, including the wet, and without a slippy diff, it'll just spin a wheel, unless you lift off. I'd love to fit a slippy diff, so if you've got any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Yep, you need a slippy to make most cars fun. Fair point on the 997 and modern chasis in general. The stiffness and geometry is generally a step forward. The retrograde step in terms of involvement and interaction. Weight if often an issue also.
On saying that, the chasis failures of the front struts recently highlighted on both the GT4 and 991GT3 are extremely worrying. I am surprised that more concern has not been raised about them
On saying that, the chasis failures of the front struts recently highlighted on both the GT4 and 991GT3 are extremely worrying. I am surprised that more concern has not been raised about them
Steve Rance said:
On saying that, the chasis failures of the front struts recently highlighted on both the GT4 and 991GT3 are extremely worrying. I am surprised that more concern has not been raised about them
As a mechanical engineer, with experience buying in the Far East and manufacturing in the UK, I smell cheap steel. Now I could be wrong, but if I were looking at the issue, it's the first place I'd look; supply side and with particular reference to the provenance of the raw material, then the process.Alpinestars said:
IMI A said:
Well I suppose you have to define improvement. Getting rid of PASM all together on a 997 would improve it for me. Thats obviously taking it further away from a 991. You need to drive your 964 a bit harder especially in the wet!
One of my GTs has Intrax passive suspension and the other has PASM. I've tried pretty hard to get the back end out on the 964, including the wet, and without a slippy diff, it'll just spin a wheel, unless you lift off. I'd love to fit a slippy diff, so if you've got any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Matt Monson
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IMI A said:
Have factory LSDs on all of them hence never been down this route. I think guards diffs are the ones to go for from memory. Its amazing how much grip old air cooled have but when they do go you have to be pretty quick to catch them!
Matt Monson
Guard Transmission LLC
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Ta. Matt Monson
Guard Transmission LLC
001 303-530-1094
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Worth read for the people who are genuinely interested in prices.
The fact that it's on thisismoney.co.uk means to many have bought for profit rather than enjoyment.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-37...
One dealer mentioned the top was 6 to 9 months ago. Give it a few months and the investors will be trying to get out.
The fact that it's on thisismoney.co.uk means to many have bought for profit rather than enjoyment.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-37...
One dealer mentioned the top was 6 to 9 months ago. Give it a few months and the investors will be trying to get out.
GT4RS said:
Worth read for the people who are genuinely interested in prices.
The fact that it's on thisismoney.co.uk means to many have bought for profit rather than enjoyment.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-37...
One dealer mentioned the top was 6 to 9 months ago. Give it a few months and the investors will be trying to get out.
'A 964 (the 911 models made between 1989 and 1994) was £50,000 or £60,000 but now is back around £45,000.The fact that it's on thisismoney.co.uk means to many have bought for profit rather than enjoyment.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-37...
One dealer mentioned the top was 6 to 9 months ago. Give it a few months and the investors will be trying to get out.
g7jhp said:
GT4RS said:
Worth read for the people who are genuinely interested in prices.
The fact that it's on thisismoney.co.uk means to many have bought for profit rather than enjoyment.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-37...
One dealer mentioned the top was 6 to 9 months ago. Give it a few months and the investors will be trying to get out.
'A 964 (the 911 models made between 1989 and 1994) was £50,000 or £60,000 but now is back around £45,000.The fact that it's on thisismoney.co.uk means to many have bought for profit rather than enjoyment.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-37...
One dealer mentioned the top was 6 to 9 months ago. Give it a few months and the investors will be trying to get out.
The point you are making is?
Decent 964 C2 manual now well over £50k and still rising. I've been watching the market closely over the last 6 months for a friend who is looking to build something similar to my car. Taragas soft tops and C4's also still rising. He was hoping to see a fall after brexit but it hasn't happened.
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