Is the bubble about to burst?

Is the bubble about to burst?

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mollytherocker

14,366 posts

209 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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anonymous said:
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I love those old Opels.....

SRT Hellcat

7,032 posts

217 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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mollytherocker said:
Even GT3's?
Yep I could never live with the dash.
Opel Manta haha.
I have a mate that owned one of the 400's and got his money back on the car as it continually fell apart. Vauxhall gave up in the end


Edited by SRT Hellcat on Monday 3rd October 00:18

roygarth

2,673 posts

248 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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AlvinSultana said:
So a thread that is over a year old ?

Clearly the answer was no, the bubble was not about to burst.

In the year since the thread started classic car values have charged on regardless of the naysayers.

However the market is as fussy as it always has been. The right cars can name their price (1.8m for a 993 Gt2 etc), and marmite cars are always orphans.

I cashed out this week (and instantly regretted it) but over 100% profit in less than 5 years of very enjoyable ownership has to be seen as a win. In usual Porsche style the car never let me down, it always looked fabulous, and every journey was an event.

My car was very saleable in the current market, the right colour spec condition and history. I achieved a sale price to a dealer which was about what I could expect to achieve in a private sale. Lucky bugger retailed said car within a couple of hours, as we both knew he would.

So what now.......a decent chunk of cash in the bank, but absolutely nothing I want to buy that gives me the same return.
Which model did you sell?

IMI A

9,410 posts

201 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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Its a beauty in black - wide body 993 just looks amazing.

Fokker

3,460 posts

222 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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Makes me wonder whether I should have purchased that instead of the 991 GTS... Very nice

AlvinSultana

860 posts

149 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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We have a winner.

Regrets.....

Jamie Summers

409 posts

251 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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Phooey said:
Any ideas what this will make? https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1991-porsche-9...



The Porsche 964 is the internal name for Porsche 911s manufactured and sold between 1989 and 1994. Designed by Benjamin Dimson in 1986, it featured significant styling revisions over previous 911 models, most prominently the more integrated bumpers.
A new naturally aspirated engine called the M64 was used for 964 models, with a flat-6 displacement of 3.6-litres. Porsche substantially revised the suspension, replacing the rear torsion bars with coil springs and shock absorbers. Power steering and ABS brakes were added to the 911 for the first time; both were standard. The exterior bumpers and fog lamps became flush into the car, allowing for better aerodynamics. Furthermore, a new electric rear spoiler rose up at speeds above 50 mph and lowered down flush with the rear engine lid at lower speeds, or at rest.
In 1992, Porsche produced a lightweight, rear-wheel-drive only version of the 964 called the Carrera RS. The RS was fitted with a revised version of the standard engine titled M64/03 internally which had an increased power output of 256hp and a lightweight flywheel coupled to the G50/10 gearbox with closer ratios, asymmetrical Limited Slip Differential and steel synchromesh.
A stripped-out interior devoid of luxuries such as electric windows, rear seats, air conditioning, and cruise control were part of the RS package, as were the bucket front seats. The bonnet was made of aluminium, the chassis was seam welded, and sound deadening was deleted. Furthermore, the glass was thinner in the doors and rear window. The Carrera RS is approximately 155 kg lighter than the standard model.
The NGTs were further stripped-out with all carpets and soundproofing removed. Front carpets were replaced with plywood footboards, a full welded cage was fitted, and seats were Nomex-covered rather than leather. Additionally, the NGTs featured a long-range fuel tank, plumbed in fire extinguisher, external cut-off, fire extinguisher release, and a relocated DME. Harder and more track focused, these were the great racers and are still running in events like the Nurburgring 24Hrs. A total of just 290 were made.
First registered on 12th December 1991, and supplied new by Porsche in Stuttgart, this rare NGT example is a European specification car and is chassis number 76 out of 290.
The car was to remain in Germany until 2010 having had just three owners, before being exported to its new owner in Japan via Thomas Schmitz a renowned Porsche RS specialist in Germany. At this time he noted in the corresponding documentation that a front-end repair had been carried out on the car.
Showing just 25,000 miles, it's finished in the striking colour of Maritime Blue, which looks good on a 964, and the paintwork is generally excellent with just a few minor blemishes. Inside the car, the cabin is in excellent condition retaining much of the character of a standard 964 but with a more purposeful sporting feel orientated around the driver, helped largely by the addition of the Nomex Recaro bucket seats, a welded roll cage, Alcantara Momo steering wheel, and 4-point harnesses.
Similarly, the engine bay is very clean and tidy commensurate with age and mileage.
Present in the history file are the handbook and the original dealer-supplied maintenance book which is complete with the options code sticker and no less than eight German service stamps. Numerous German documents plus invoices from Porsche and Porsche specialists further verify the service history. The car has been imported into the UK with all duties and taxes paid.
This is a superb example indeed and would make a fine addition to any garage as the 964 is often regarded as the all encompassing true driver's 911. There can be no doubt then that this Carrera RS in NGT specification is one of the most driver-focused and rewarding Porsches you will ever find.
My guess is that this will struggle to sell. It's been for sale with a dealer for most of the year. The fact it spent time in Japan and has had unspecified front-end damage will put off most buyers (perhaps I should say "collectors"). There are other more original cars with fuller histories readily available in the UK (granted few NGT cars).

It seems that the only 964 RS that are selling are ultra low-mile, 100% original cars, and these are still bringing really strong money. Anything else is not getting a sniff (I know 'cos I'm trying to sell one !)

For selfish reasons I hope it makes its top estimate, but my gut says this won't reach its reserve.

Jamie

Fokker

3,460 posts

222 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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The seats dont look like original items?

RSVP911

8,192 posts

133 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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IMI A said:
Its a beauty in black - wide body 993 just looks amazing.
I see 911V also have a 993 Turbo for sale at about £k130 - is that what good examples are fetching now ? smile

IMI A

9,410 posts

201 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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RSVP911 said:
IMI A said:
Its a beauty in black - wide body 993 just looks amazing.
I see 911V also have a 993 Turbo for sale at about £k130 - is that what good examples are fetching now ? smile
Fetching a bit more than that for lower mileage cars - when a 991 turbo S is £160,000 new these don't seem as terrible as they do when you first look at the current asking prices - the red one was put up for sale privately a year ago at £105,000 wink

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

RSVP911

8,192 posts

133 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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IMI A said:
Fetching a bit more than that for lower mileage cars - when a 991 turbo S is £160,000 new these don't seem as terrible as they do when you first look at the current asking prices - the red one was put up for sale privately a year ago at £105,000 wink

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Thanks for that , I have to say , it really is amazing how prices have continued to rise - lovely looking things - all of them smile

Jamie Summers

409 posts

251 months

Tuesday 4th October 2016
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Fokker said:
The seats dont look like original items?
They look right to me. The NGT came with Recaro SPG in Nomex with the Porsche crest, not the tri-colour leather seats that the regular lightweight came with.

Fokker

3,460 posts

222 months

Tuesday 4th October 2016
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Jamie Summers said:
They look right to me. The NGT came with Recaro SPG in Nomex with the Porsche crest, not the tri-colour leather seats that the regular lightweight came with.
Ah ok. Ive leant something today

Phooey

12,605 posts

169 months

Saturday 15th October 2016
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Silverstone Auction results https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/the-porsche-sa...

1998 Flat nose turbo targa @ 63k looked cheap? 997.2 RS made good money. Some of them cars looked quite good vfm.

Phooey

12,605 posts

169 months

Saturday 15th October 2016
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Jamie Summers said:
Phooey said:
Any ideas what this will make? https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1991-porsche-9...



The Porsche 964 is the internal name for Porsche 911s manufactured and sold between 1989 and 1994. Designed by Benjamin Dimson in 1986, it featured significant styling revisions over previous 911 models, most prominently the more integrated bumpers.
A new naturally aspirated engine called the M64 was used for 964 models, with a flat-6 displacement of 3.6-litres. Porsche substantially revised the suspension, replacing the rear torsion bars with coil springs and shock absorbers. Power steering and ABS brakes were added to the 911 for the first time; both were standard. The exterior bumpers and fog lamps became flush into the car, allowing for better aerodynamics. Furthermore, a new electric rear spoiler rose up at speeds above 50 mph and lowered down flush with the rear engine lid at lower speeds, or at rest.
In 1992, Porsche produced a lightweight, rear-wheel-drive only version of the 964 called the Carrera RS. The RS was fitted with a revised version of the standard engine titled M64/03 internally which had an increased power output of 256hp and a lightweight flywheel coupled to the G50/10 gearbox with closer ratios, asymmetrical Limited Slip Differential and steel synchromesh.
A stripped-out interior devoid of luxuries such as electric windows, rear seats, air conditioning, and cruise control were part of the RS package, as were the bucket front seats. The bonnet was made of aluminium, the chassis was seam welded, and sound deadening was deleted. Furthermore, the glass was thinner in the doors and rear window. The Carrera RS is approximately 155 kg lighter than the standard model.
The NGTs were further stripped-out with all carpets and soundproofing removed. Front carpets were replaced with plywood footboards, a full welded cage was fitted, and seats were Nomex-covered rather than leather. Additionally, the NGTs featured a long-range fuel tank, plumbed in fire extinguisher, external cut-off, fire extinguisher release, and a relocated DME. Harder and more track focused, these were the great racers and are still running in events like the Nurburgring 24Hrs. A total of just 290 were made.
First registered on 12th December 1991, and supplied new by Porsche in Stuttgart, this rare NGT example is a European specification car and is chassis number 76 out of 290.
The car was to remain in Germany until 2010 having had just three owners, before being exported to its new owner in Japan via Thomas Schmitz a renowned Porsche RS specialist in Germany. At this time he noted in the corresponding documentation that a front-end repair had been carried out on the car.
Showing just 25,000 miles, it's finished in the striking colour of Maritime Blue, which looks good on a 964, and the paintwork is generally excellent with just a few minor blemishes. Inside the car, the cabin is in excellent condition retaining much of the character of a standard 964 but with a more purposeful sporting feel orientated around the driver, helped largely by the addition of the Nomex Recaro bucket seats, a welded roll cage, Alcantara Momo steering wheel, and 4-point harnesses.
Similarly, the engine bay is very clean and tidy commensurate with age and mileage.
Present in the history file are the handbook and the original dealer-supplied maintenance book which is complete with the options code sticker and no less than eight German service stamps. Numerous German documents plus invoices from Porsche and Porsche specialists further verify the service history. The car has been imported into the UK with all duties and taxes paid.
This is a superb example indeed and would make a fine addition to any garage as the 964 is often regarded as the all encompassing true driver's 911. There can be no doubt then that this Carrera RS in NGT specification is one of the most driver-focused and rewarding Porsches you will ever find.
My guess is that this will struggle to sell. It's been for sale with a dealer for most of the year. The fact it spent time in Japan and has had unspecified front-end damage will put off most buyers (perhaps I should say "collectors"). There are other more original cars with fuller histories readily available in the UK (granted few NGT cars).

It seems that the only 964 RS that are selling are ultra low-mile, 100% original cars, and these are still bringing really strong money. Anything else is not getting a sniff (I know 'cos I'm trying to sell one !)

For selfish reasons I hope it makes its top estimate, but my gut says this won't reach its reserve.

Jamie
Sold for 157500 smile

Cheib

23,255 posts

175 months

Saturday 15th October 2016
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A few cars struggled looking at the results. I thought it would be a better auctions given the weak £ and the recent mental Porsche auction results!

LambShank

14,698 posts

189 months

Saturday 15th October 2016
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Phooey said:
Jamie Summers said:
Phooey said:
Any ideas what this will make? https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1991-porsche-9...



The Porsche 964 is the internal name for Porsche 911s manufactured and sold between 1989 and 1994. Designed by Benjamin Dimson in 1986, it featured significant styling revisions over previous 911 models, most prominently the more integrated bumpers.
A new naturally aspirated engine called the M64 was used for 964 models, with a flat-6 displacement of 3.6-litres. Porsche substantially revised the suspension, replacing the rear torsion bars with coil springs and shock absorbers. Power steering and ABS brakes were added to the 911 for the first time; both were standard. The exterior bumpers and fog lamps became flush into the car, allowing for better aerodynamics. Furthermore, a new electric rear spoiler rose up at speeds above 50 mph and lowered down flush with the rear engine lid at lower speeds, or at rest.
In 1992, Porsche produced a lightweight, rear-wheel-drive only version of the 964 called the Carrera RS. The RS was fitted with a revised version of the standard engine titled M64/03 internally which had an increased power output of 256hp and a lightweight flywheel coupled to the G50/10 gearbox with closer ratios, asymmetrical Limited Slip Differential and steel synchromesh.
A stripped-out interior devoid of luxuries such as electric windows, rear seats, air conditioning, and cruise control were part of the RS package, as were the bucket front seats. The bonnet was made of aluminium, the chassis was seam welded, and sound deadening was deleted. Furthermore, the glass was thinner in the doors and rear window. The Carrera RS is approximately 155 kg lighter than the standard model.
The NGTs were further stripped-out with all carpets and soundproofing removed. Front carpets were replaced with plywood footboards, a full welded cage was fitted, and seats were Nomex-covered rather than leather. Additionally, the NGTs featured a long-range fuel tank, plumbed in fire extinguisher, external cut-off, fire extinguisher release, and a relocated DME. Harder and more track focused, these were the great racers and are still running in events like the Nurburgring 24Hrs. A total of just 290 were made.
First registered on 12th December 1991, and supplied new by Porsche in Stuttgart, this rare NGT example is a European specification car and is chassis number 76 out of 290.
The car was to remain in Germany until 2010 having had just three owners, before being exported to its new owner in Japan via Thomas Schmitz a renowned Porsche RS specialist in Germany. At this time he noted in the corresponding documentation that a front-end repair had been carried out on the car.
Showing just 25,000 miles, it's finished in the striking colour of Maritime Blue, which looks good on a 964, and the paintwork is generally excellent with just a few minor blemishes. Inside the car, the cabin is in excellent condition retaining much of the character of a standard 964 but with a more purposeful sporting feel orientated around the driver, helped largely by the addition of the Nomex Recaro bucket seats, a welded roll cage, Alcantara Momo steering wheel, and 4-point harnesses.
Similarly, the engine bay is very clean and tidy commensurate with age and mileage.
Present in the history file are the handbook and the original dealer-supplied maintenance book which is complete with the options code sticker and no less than eight German service stamps. Numerous German documents plus invoices from Porsche and Porsche specialists further verify the service history. The car has been imported into the UK with all duties and taxes paid.
This is a superb example indeed and would make a fine addition to any garage as the 964 is often regarded as the all encompassing true driver's 911. There can be no doubt then that this Carrera RS in NGT specification is one of the most driver-focused and rewarding Porsches you will ever find.
My guess is that this will struggle to sell. It's been for sale with a dealer for most of the year. The fact it spent time in Japan and has had unspecified front-end damage will put off most buyers (perhaps I should say "collectors"). There are other more original cars with fuller histories readily available in the UK (granted few NGT cars).

It seems that the only 964 RS that are selling are ultra low-mile, 100% original cars, and these are still bringing really strong money. Anything else is not getting a sniff (I know 'cos I'm trying to sell one !)

For selfish reasons I hope it makes its top estimate, but my gut says this won't reach its reserve.

Jamie
Sold for 157500 smile
You bought it then?
Congrats, look forward to seeing it never driven and sat in yer garage.
Like your other cars.

IMI A

9,410 posts

201 months

Saturday 15th October 2016
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Phooey said:
Silverstone Auction results https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/the-porsche-sa...

1998 Flat nose turbo targa @ 63k looked cheap? Some of them cars looked quite good vfm.
The flat nose is a fake and if I owned it would probably return it to how it left the factory. Don't personally think it was cheap at all. In fact everything to my eye looked relatively expensive especially this 70k mile early 996 C2 - surely must be a mistake as thats a £15k car IMO? https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/porsche-911-99...

OPC Restored 964 targa at £58k perhaps not bad value as I imagine you're basically getting a brand new or even better than brand new 964 and it probably cost the OPC circa £100k in labour to get into that condition at their hourly rate.

Phooey

12,605 posts

169 months

Saturday 15th October 2016
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LambShank said:
You bought it then?
Congrats, look forward to seeing it never driven and sat in yer garage.
Like your other cars.
I tried, but every time I put my bid in they threatened to call the police then put the phone down.

Phooey

12,605 posts

169 months

Saturday 15th October 2016
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IMI A said:
The flat nose is a fake and if I owned it would probably return it to how it left the factory. Don't personally think it was cheap at all. In fact everything to my eye looked relatively expensive especially this 70k mile early 996 C2 - surely must be a mistake as thats a £15k car IMO? https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/porsche-911-99...

OPC Restored 964 targa at £58k perhaps not bad value as I imagine you're basically getting a brand new or even better than brand new 964 and it probably cost the OPC circa £100k in labour to get into that condition at their hourly rate.
Didn't realise the flat nose was a snide, that explains it. That 996 C2 I don't think sold, but agree, it's not 30+k haha