Is the bubble about to burst?
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Uber driverless cars exist, they're not perfect yet, but they've been piloting in America already.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/driverless-uber-spot...
Miss, did the car really use to kill hundreds of people a year, and pollute the earth? You actually sat there for hours and drove it? What for? What's a clutch pedal? What's a garage? Why did you have car parks? What's a yellow line? What's a parking meter?
Seriously, people buying 993GT2s for £1.8m need to wake up and smell the hummus.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/driverless-uber-spot...
Miss, did the car really use to kill hundreds of people a year, and pollute the earth? You actually sat there for hours and drove it? What for? What's a clutch pedal? What's a garage? Why did you have car parks? What's a yellow line? What's a parking meter?
Seriously, people buying 993GT2s for £1.8m need to wake up and smell the hummus.
Robbo66 said:
The GT4 is the size a 911 should be and suits stick, though gearing an issue.
The R was extremely limited and a guaranteed £300k tax free to those 'enthusiasts' who secured one.
The reality is, track times matter to the mob. The RS murders the R on track. Then you have the Americans. Enough said,
On my time, experience with GT4, 991R, 991RS etc the big advantage for the GT4 imv is the mid engine, its so controllable and agile on the limit. Does not need RWS.The R was extremely limited and a guaranteed £300k tax free to those 'enthusiasts' who secured one.
The reality is, track times matter to the mob. The RS murders the R on track. Then you have the Americans. Enough said,
Agree on the MT on a GT3 badged car, can not see a MT car keeping up lap time wise with all the E system's on the car. By "dint" that it has a MT it will have slower lap time than the outgoing Gen 1 PDK...Interesting to see how this plays out..
991R with a very good driver is actually very fast on track, needs a diver of same level though to show up the advantage's of 91RS......
Edited by APOLO1 on Thursday 1st December 08:14
ooid said:
- On a different note, I think the location also has an affect. I know many youngsters have nothing to do with driving in London, but loads of them who live outside London starts driving pretty early actually.
First car I drove was a Mk2 Granada V6, on a dirt car park somewhere in East Yorkshire. I was about 9. It was ace.One of my mate's first proper road drive was in his mum's mini, aged about 14. He was the sort of rogue who left school early with the teachers sure (what do they know?) he wouldn't amount to much, qualified as a motor mechanic and now owns and runs a very successful service and MOT garage in our village. Which is handy for me.
anonymous said:
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If I was driving from Leeds to Hull on the M62 I would believe you.If I was driving from Leeds to Manchester on the M62 I would say there are actually 30 million new drivers every year and they're all sat in the middle lane on the M62 between Leeds and Manchester every, single, time, I, go, on, it.
Digga said:
irst car I drove was a Mk2 Granada V6, on a dirt car park somewhere in East Yorkshire. I was about 9. It was ace.
Yup, I think those early age driving habits still exist. I occasionally teach on design courses in some part of the country, like cambridge or Brighton. Most kids or students drive there from pretty early age. In London, no one has any idea about motoring or driving, unless they got families and live a bit outside of the mad-central zone. Interesting though not sure if it is a general change, two of my colleagues/friends just got their driver license last year after they are 30! and now looking to buy their first cars, in London. This is literally due to people completely gave up on any form of public transport, they are expensive, unreliable and slow. How prescient. 
Rush Red Barchetta lyrics said:
My uncle has a country place
That no one knows about
He says it used to be a farm
Before the Motor Law
And now on Sundays I elude the eyes
And hop the turbine freight
To far outside the wire where my
White-haired uncle waits
Jump to the ground as the turbo slows
To cross the borderline
Run like the wind as excitement shivers
Up and down my spine
But down in his barn
My uncle preserved for me
An old machine
For fifty-odd years
To keep it as new
Has been his dearest dream
I strip away the old debris
That hides a shining car
A brilliant Red Barchetta
From a better vanished time
We'll fire up the willing engine
Responding with a roar
Tires spitting gravel
I commit my weekly crime
Wind
In my hair
Shifting and drifting
Mechanical music
Adrenaline surge
Well-oiled leather
Hot metal and oil
The scented country air
Sunlight on chrome
The blur of the landscape
Every nerve aware
Suddenly ahead of me
Across the mountainside
A gleaming alloy air-car
Shoots towards me two lanes wide
Oh, I spin around with shrieking tires
To run the deadly race
Go screaming through the valley
As another joins the chase
Ride like the wind
Straining the limits
Of machine and man
Laughing out loud with fear and hope
I've got a desperate plan
At the one-lane bridge
I leave the giants stranded
At the riverside
Race back to the farm
To dream with my uncle
At the fireside
That no one knows about
He says it used to be a farm
Before the Motor Law
And now on Sundays I elude the eyes
And hop the turbine freight
To far outside the wire where my
White-haired uncle waits
Jump to the ground as the turbo slows
To cross the borderline
Run like the wind as excitement shivers
Up and down my spine
But down in his barn
My uncle preserved for me
An old machine
For fifty-odd years
To keep it as new
Has been his dearest dream
I strip away the old debris
That hides a shining car
A brilliant Red Barchetta
From a better vanished time
We'll fire up the willing engine
Responding with a roar
Tires spitting gravel
I commit my weekly crime
Wind
In my hair
Shifting and drifting
Mechanical music
Adrenaline surge
Well-oiled leather
Hot metal and oil
The scented country air
Sunlight on chrome
The blur of the landscape
Every nerve aware
Suddenly ahead of me
Across the mountainside
A gleaming alloy air-car
Shoots towards me two lanes wide
Oh, I spin around with shrieking tires
To run the deadly race
Go screaming through the valley
As another joins the chase
Ride like the wind
Straining the limits
Of machine and man
Laughing out loud with fear and hope
I've got a desperate plan
At the one-lane bridge
I leave the giants stranded
At the riverside
Race back to the farm
To dream with my uncle
At the fireside
There was a very nice research/illustration done by MIT showing that, how traffic lights can absolutely be redundant and unnecessary after the full introduction of driverless technology. I still believe it would come slowly, rather than sudden immediate change. It would be like ABS systems or similar speed limits that actually helps the driver but not taking full control. Its more like Assisted intelligence rather than full Artificial intelligence implementation. On motorways, straight A to B long journeys the specifics would change I guess.
But considering the current public transport + lack of future infrastructural projects, "individual transport/vehicle" choices would be quite attractive I think for the current and new generations.
But considering the current public transport + lack of future infrastructural projects, "individual transport/vehicle" choices would be quite attractive I think for the current and new generations.
anonymous said:
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Neither trends in licence applications nor tests taken / passed are useful metrics unless demographic changes also taken into consideration. We now have fewer under 25s than at any time since the 70s as a proportion of the population. And it is set to get worse. Currently 1 in 6 of the population are under 16, compared to 1 in 4 in the 70s. Of course population has risen during that period from 56 million to 64 million or thereabouts today, but that is not enough to counter demographic age shift. Bottom line? There are fewer young people, ergo fewer young drivers. Add in the fact that more youngsters are eschewing driving and the long term trend suggests a growing shortage of first time buyers to prop up the market.We shall all just have to buy more cars
Edited by drmark on Thursday 1st December 18:22
drmark said:
Neither trends in licence applications or tests taken / passed are useful metrics unless demographic changes also taken into consideration. We now have fewer under 25s than at any time since the 70s as a proportion of the population. And it is set to get worse. Currently 1 in 6 of the population are under 16, compared to 1 in 4 in the 70s. Of course population has risen during that period from 56 million to 64 million or thereabouts today, but that is not enough to counter demographic age shift. Bottom line? There are fewer young people, ergo fewer young drivers. Add in the fact that more youngsters are eschewing driving and the long term trend suggests a growing shortage of first time buyers to prop up the market.
We shall all just have to buy more cars
the under 25's are using Uber as routine. So not much overall drop in cars on the road, especially in LondonWe shall all just have to buy more cars
Light Traffic / MIT Senseable City Lab - No more traffic lights!
Video:
http://senseable.mit.edu/light-traffic/
Video:
http://senseable.mit.edu/light-traffic/
drmark said:
My daughters - 26 and 27 - certainly are major Uber users. Although both have bought cars this year interestingly. The eldest has a Golf R. Good girl
Encouraging. Most women I know in London don't bother with their own cars now. The running costs of ownership alone can almost cover Uber fares for the year. They can have a few glasses of Pinot without concern, and not worry about reverse parking themselves.sparta6 said:
Encouraging. Most women I know in London don't bother with their own cars now. The running costs of ownership alone can almost cover Uber fares for the year. They can have a few glasses of Pinot without concern, and not worry about reverse parking themselves.
They would definitely have a very expensive mountain or city bike though! that's for sure A few of my younger women colleagues/friends have cars though, but again most of them have families outside London so I guess frequent family visits might be a factor.
anonymous said:
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Very little chance? Possibly - I don't have those figures - but my point was that metrics quoted mean nowt unless put in context of size of cohort. That is basic statistical science. And nineties had lowest birth rate in the U.K. (across the decade) for over a century. Plus I did write that falling numbers of young people PLUS trend for eschewing cars both factors. Bad news for car manufacturers and our pensions
PS noughties decade birth rate lower again
Edited by drmark on Thursday 1st December 21:43
Edited by drmark on Thursday 1st December 21:53
Mintbird said:
id like to see people ferry their kids in an uber. look, 20 somethings turn into 30 something and life takes over and they need cars as well.
the death of the car has been predicted for the last 20 years, aint gonna happen.
And where I live we have no buses let alone Uber. Yet...the death of the car has been predicted for the last 20 years, aint gonna happen.
Sadiq hits everything pre 05 with an extra £10 per day on top of the congestion charge from late next
Year. My own local authority fancy themselves a green council. It's fashionable and shrewd for government and councils to raise revenue protecting air quality and the environment.
If the Mayors plan is adopted and copied and legislation penalises old, thirsty cars from being used, who still wants
them?
This is the twilight of running a modern classic.
Year. My own local authority fancy themselves a green council. It's fashionable and shrewd for government and councils to raise revenue protecting air quality and the environment.
If the Mayors plan is adopted and copied and legislation penalises old, thirsty cars from being used, who still wants
them?
This is the twilight of running a modern classic.
highway said:
Sadiq hits everything pre 05 with an extra £10 per day on top of the congestion charge from late next
Year. My own local authority fancy themselves a green council. It's fashionable and shrewd for government and councils to raise revenue protecting air quality and the environment.
If the Mayors plan is adopted and copied and legislation penalises old, thirsty cars from being used, who still wants
them?
This is the twilight of running a modern classic.
Unless you live up Norf and don't want to drive into London:-)Year. My own local authority fancy themselves a green council. It's fashionable and shrewd for government and councils to raise revenue protecting air quality and the environment.
If the Mayors plan is adopted and copied and legislation penalises old, thirsty cars from being used, who still wants
them?
This is the twilight of running a modern classic.
Roll on Derbyshire weekends :-)
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