Is the bubble about to burst?
Discussion
Robbo66 said:
Over priced tat, all the old stuff, so who cares. £50k at best. Someone has awoken the forum Kraken...with his book of long words.
Just in case anyone was struggling I've written a little definition to help : In rhetoric, a tautology (from Greek ταὐτός, "the same" and λόγος, "word/idea") is a logical argument constructed in such a way, generally by repeating the same concept or assertion using different phrasing or terminology, that the proposition as stated is logically irrefutable, while obscuring the lack of evidence or ...
I know it's similar to what "the google" says but just so everyone's clear ; they knicked it off me
Alpinestars said:
No comma after the big. Big old beast, not referring to age but giving emphasis to the big part.
Great car in the right circumstances. Too difficult too much of the time. That's what's keeping prices depressed IMV.
You can't be serious?Great car in the right circumstances. Too difficult too much of the time. That's what's keeping prices depressed IMV.
Most of the cars that have gone stratospheric price wise aren't being driven much anyway so who cares what a CGT is like to drive?
But on that point, the car is only a little bigger than a 991RS, and smaller than say a 599 GTO. Visibility is good and the car is light and alive in a way nothing and I mean nothing else is. I get it if the clutch scares you or isaldri but really there is nothing too hard about it. If you stand back the CGT is what a proper car should be, an event, an anticipation, a little scary, makes your hands sweat and butterflies in the stomach, and then you drive it and you can't stop grinning. Big old bus, you must be on meds!
RSVP911 said:
Morning Andrew - what's the anti stall all about ? How does the clutch feel - weight / position / ease of use, etc : cheers
Hi R. To move the car away from rest you keep your foot off the gas and feed out the clutch pedal - the anti stall keeps the revs up and the car moves forward at which point you apply gas. It is a doddle even on hill starts. AndrewD said:
RSVP911 said:
Morning Andrew - what's the anti stall all about ? How does the clutch feel - weight / position / ease of use, etc : cheers
Hi R. To move the car away from rest you keep your foot off the gas and feed out the clutch pedal - the anti stall keeps the revs up and the car moves forward at which point you apply gas. It is a doddle even on hill starts. I do hope prices come down though as otherwise I will never be in a position to buy one and try to get it to half a mil km (and then be buried in it). Should have bought the one with 130ish k km on the clock a few years ago for 260k euros - ah well
AndrewD said:
You can't be serious?
Most of the cars that have gone stratospheric price wise aren't being driven much anyway so who cares what a CGT is like to drive?
But on that point, the car is only a little bigger than a 991RS, and smaller than say a 599 GTO. Visibility is good and the car is light and alive in a way nothing and I mean nothing else is. I get it if the clutch scares you or isaldri but really there is nothing too hard about it. If you stand back the CGT is what a proper car should be, an event, an anticipation, a little scary, makes your hands sweat and butterflies in the stomach, and then you drive it and you can't stop grinning. Big old bus, you must be on meds!
So you don't agree. Big deal. I've given my view, you have yours. Personally I find a GTO easier to drive than a CGT. And that's down to the clutch, you might disagree. Most of the cars that have gone stratospheric price wise aren't being driven much anyway so who cares what a CGT is like to drive?
But on that point, the car is only a little bigger than a 991RS, and smaller than say a 599 GTO. Visibility is good and the car is light and alive in a way nothing and I mean nothing else is. I get it if the clutch scares you or isaldri but really there is nothing too hard about it. If you stand back the CGT is what a proper car should be, an event, an anticipation, a little scary, makes your hands sweat and butterflies in the stomach, and then you drive it and you can't stop grinning. Big old bus, you must be on meds!
Why do you think they are selling at just above a 911 sells for?
Alpinestars said:
No comma after the big. Big old beast, not referring to age but giving emphasis to the big part.
Great car in the right circumstances. Too difficult too much of the time. That's what's keeping prices depressed IMV.
I don't think the ease of the car or otherwise has anything to do with the prices to be honest. The Mclaren F1 by all accounts is bloody tricky to use with a pure carbon clutch for example..... prices generally are pushed up mainly by collectors rather than people actually meaning to use them so aren't going to worry about how it drives either I'd have thought. I'd definitely agree with you though in general, the car is phenomenal on the right road but it' definitely has it's quirks.Great car in the right circumstances. Too difficult too much of the time. That's what's keeping prices depressed IMV.
alcatraz236 said:
Value of almost all collector/classic cars has nothing to do with the way they drive.
I agree with that. With the CGT, it's not how it drives, because it's a great car, it might have something to do with how accessible it is. Other than that, I have no idea why ostensibly it's undervalued.
Alpinestars said:
So you don't agree. Big deal. I've given my view, you have yours. Personally I find a GTO easier to drive than a CGT. And that's down to the clutch, you might disagree.
Why do you think they are selling at just above a 911 sells for?
I'm happy for you. Driven 11,000 km in a GTO and 5,000 in a CGT. How about you?Why do you think they are selling at just above a 911 sells for?
The GTO is really enormous. Of course easier to drive with its flappy paddles and systems.
AndrewD said:
I'm happy for you. Driven 11,000 km in a GTO and 5,000 in a CGT. How about you?
The GTO is really enormous. Of course easier to drive with its flappy paddles and systems.
Great, well done, I haven't done the same mileage as you in either. The GTO is really enormous. Of course easier to drive with its flappy paddles and systems.
I guess 4cm in length makes all the difference to some
. Optically, the height makes it look at lot bigger.
Alpinestars said:
Great, well done, I haven't done the same mileage as you in either.
I guess 4cm in length makes all the difference to some.
Optically, the height makes it look at lot bigger.
Instead of going to find diagrams to prove a point try driving both cars on Uk roads. I guess 4cm in length makes all the difference to some
. Optically, the height makes it look at lot bigger.
The 599 feels enormous in comparison.
Or you could just live in a world where your opinions are not much more than grown up top trumps cards. Up to you - I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
kitesurfer2 said:
This thread is over..
Rubbish. Makes a change to have a good debate. I don't think anyone's feelings are getting hurt.Nice plate on the CGT by the way.
Regardless of actual dimensions some cars shrink when you drive them and others still feel massive. The Hellcat is about the same width but a tad over 5 metres long. That feels like a big car but once you have a few miles on a drive it shrinks. Well most things shrink in the rear view mirror anyway.
I reckon by this time next year CGT's will be 7 numbers.
SRT Hellcat said:
Rubbish. Makes a change to have a good debate. I don't think anyone's feelings are getting hurt.
Nice plate on the CGT by the way.
Regardless of actual dimensions some cars shrink when you drive them and others still feel massive. The Hellcat is about the same width but a tad over 5 metres long. That feels like a big car but once you have a few miles on a drive it shrinks. Well most things shrink in the rear view mirror anyway.
I reckon by this time next year CGT's will be 7 numbers.
If a car that's wide feels smaller when you're driving it, it's not necessarily a good thing imo. You are then possibly cutting it finer with traffic than you would otherwise and you probably really don't want to be doing that in a fully cf car like the cgt. Nice plate on the CGT by the way.
Regardless of actual dimensions some cars shrink when you drive them and others still feel massive. The Hellcat is about the same width but a tad over 5 metres long. That feels like a big car but once you have a few miles on a drive it shrinks. Well most things shrink in the rear view mirror anyway.
I reckon by this time next year CGT's will be 7 numbers.
The width is definitely an issue for me at least, particularly here in the UK. If one lived in Germany say around the 'ring or black forest with less traffic and much better and more open roads it would be close to the perfect car. I'm glad anyway for whatever reason the cgt hasn't caught the collectors fancy as much (too many cars and a reputation for having fallen a lot previously probably) and i sure hope it stays that way.
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