New breed of GT3 owner
Discussion
anonymous said:
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I think you not only win the award for being the best possible mis quoter on Pistonheads but being perhaps putting it kindly a little self important..Where did I say pressing a button as you put it and moving a stick around was the same? I just don't make a big old song and dance about the difference you clearly do and as such driver involvement being lost.Is that 'clear' enough for you or I am I still obfuscating?
anonymous said:
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Ok here's a blackboard and a bit of chalk....Please show me where I said they are the same? You were (as usual) talking about PDK is one of the things that the 991 GT3 has as being a 'step too far'etc. I pointed out that changing gear with a stick and 3rd pedal as opposed to pulling a lever or to quote you 'pressing a button' does not distract from fun or involvement and in fact brings the GT3 further into the arena (a track orientated 911) more than ever before.I was only saying that a manual is a more physical action.
You then started beating your chest about rev matching.
Are you a journalist by chance? Your way of turning things around to suit your very narrow minded view takes some skill in itself. I first thought Daily Mail but then to be fair you used a four syllable word.
LuckyP said:
Not read the entire thread, soz. But in these two posts the difference between the perception of the 'new breed' as the OP put it, and those whom a stick shift is essential to the driving experience, can be clearly seen. Just saying. 
Yes very fair LuckyP. I had also said that above, to some the idea of years ago the 911 going power assisted steering, then a bit later water cooled and further down the road the GT3 being as of the current model manual only - some will never accept or like it no matter how good it may be.I have had manual and PDK 911's and I like them both - I am just not someone who clearly dismisses one out of hand because it may be an easier thing to do.
Edited by berty37 on Friday 21st August 16:27
berty37 said:
Yes very fair LuckyP. I had also said that above, to some the idea of years ago the 911 going power assisted steering, then a bit later water cooled and further down the road the GT3 being as of the current model manual only - some will never accept or like it no matter how good it may be.
I have had manual and PDK 911's and I like them both - I am just not someone who clearly dismisses one out of hand because it may be an easier thing to do.
I Also havnt read the while thread but have to agree with this . I've actually never owned a pdk car but having driven one im looking forward to one day owning one. The big problem is that Porsche manual and pdk cars are both so damn good ! Was never a of tip though I have had manual and PDK 911's and I like them both - I am just not someone who clearly dismisses one out of hand because it may be an easier thing to do.
Edited by berty37 on Friday 21st August 16:27
Well this thread has rapidly death-spiralled, just like all the others. Two camps completely failing to communicate.
Maybe this analogy may help. I recently bought my daughter a digital SLR camera to help her graduate from occasional snapper to a more advanced hobbyist. At the same time I gave her my dad's old Nikon FA plus a variety of lenses and filter. Here's a roll of 35mm film - knock yourself out. She looked at me like I was mad. I said if you can learn to take great photos with old tech (and make sure you stick it in full manual mode, all clunky mechanical goodness), then you can take great pictures anywhere anytime with anything.
The gearbox debate is not just about ability to move a stick around. It's about balancing the car on entry into a corner. I thought I was a dab hand at H&T in a GT3 until I drove a Cup car and the thing slew violently sideways at my first attempt. Having watched some very ordinary drivers drive the nuts off the latest tech, personally I value the immersion and challenge of old tech even if it makes me slower. Each to their own.
Maybe this analogy may help. I recently bought my daughter a digital SLR camera to help her graduate from occasional snapper to a more advanced hobbyist. At the same time I gave her my dad's old Nikon FA plus a variety of lenses and filter. Here's a roll of 35mm film - knock yourself out. She looked at me like I was mad. I said if you can learn to take great photos with old tech (and make sure you stick it in full manual mode, all clunky mechanical goodness), then you can take great pictures anywhere anytime with anything.
The gearbox debate is not just about ability to move a stick around. It's about balancing the car on entry into a corner. I thought I was a dab hand at H&T in a GT3 until I drove a Cup car and the thing slew violently sideways at my first attempt. Having watched some very ordinary drivers drive the nuts off the latest tech, personally I value the immersion and challenge of old tech even if it makes me slower. Each to their own.
Good post Mr Harris and some good points.
Just to add if I may though using your analogy,
It does not automatically mean that having a newer modern camera makes you take a better picture and become a professional photographer nor does it mean that you don't have just as much fun trying to take a really good photo.
That was actually my point that you don't stop having fun.
Just to add if I may though using your analogy,
It does not automatically mean that having a newer modern camera makes you take a better picture and become a professional photographer nor does it mean that you don't have just as much fun trying to take a really good photo.
That was actually my point that you don't stop having fun.
anonymous said:
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You haven't read my post properly!I said in most cases, NOT ALL, the change is for the better. I then said SOME SAY the gen 2 will inevitably be better (clearly not having seen it never mind driven it!) but it can be the case of it being the next shiny bauble 'must have'.
I'd take a 911 PDK without rear wheel steer and torque vectoring all day long over one with just a manual box.
Ho hum. We all have different tastes.
As an aside. There is much mention of embracing progress. In this regard, passive damper valving and diff construction has moved on a long way in the last 10 years, as have chassis design, tyre construction and engine outputs. One wonders why nobody has embraced these improvements and built a beautiful analogue car that showcases these improvements?
Ho hum. We all have different tastes.
As an aside. There is much mention of embracing progress. In this regard, passive damper valving and diff construction has moved on a long way in the last 10 years, as have chassis design, tyre construction and engine outputs. One wonders why nobody has embraced these improvements and built a beautiful analogue car that showcases these improvements?
Well. From a complete Porsche virgins perspective I test drove a PDK yesterday for the first time. I had a damn good drive with it and was shown how effective and sharp it was when demonstrated by the cars owner.
I knew just by sitting there as passenger that a 3 pedal set up cannot be as quick or as effective for your average driver. I liked the PDK it was scalpel sharp and felt novel to someone with only experience of a normal automatic/tiptronic.
I placed a deposit on a car today. It was a manual.
bigkeeko said:
It`s your car. Use it how you like. Forget Porsche for a moment. Most people buy cars either new with the spec to their liking or used with specs to their liking / budget for a reason. Most of that reason is in their heads as it`s the minority who actually need these things. eg Landcruisers in Tescos. I knew a guy with a Hayabusa that was literally scared of it. Full race add ons and all the gear. That`s life. Who cares? He loved to wheel it out and pootle along, polish it and speak to the other bikers that rub their boots and pads on a grinder to look cool. The only people who flamed him for it were the envious.
Providing you`re not being an A hole about owning such items to decent people who would love but can`t access them then it matters not one jot in Sainsburys car park.
That's one of the most sensible and measured posts I think ive ever seen on here..... Providing you`re not being an A hole about owning such items to decent people who would love but can`t access them then it matters not one jot in Sainsburys car park.
Edited by bigkeeko on Thursday 20th August 10:02
Edited by bigkeeko on Thursday 20th August 10:06
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