Evo car of the year 2015 is...... SPOILER!
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That will keep the premiums high for the foreseeable future. The flippers will be rubbing their hands together.
Against very strong opposition that is quite a feat, for the longer term owners it makes the original sales price look quite a bargain. It certainly feels special, especially when considering price.
Against very strong opposition that is quite a feat, for the longer term owners it makes the original sales price look quite a bargain. It certainly feels special, especially when considering price.
Cars become more dull when they cease to rely on chassis feedback as a performance aid. The incremental move away from that phylosophy - in terms of GT cars - started with the 997GT3 via an active damping system which diluted a decent amount of chasis feedback. Now that has morphed to Electronic vectoring systems and rear wheel steering which provide a big leap forward in accessable performance to less skilled/experienced drivers at the expence of pure feedback.
One may of course argue that many drivers may not actually dial themselves into a car to notice or appreciate this feedback, but for those that can - and I believe/hope that this may stil be a very large number of potential buyers - I believe that the quest for ultimate performance at the cost of feedback and tactility is a retrograde phylosophy.
One may of course argue that many drivers may not actually dial themselves into a car to notice or appreciate this feedback, but for those that can - and I believe/hope that this may stil be a very large number of potential buyers - I believe that the quest for ultimate performance at the cost of feedback and tactility is a retrograde phylosophy.
ORD said:
The most striking thing about the GT4 is that it could so easily have been far better, too.
Shorter gears.
Less torquey, more revvy engine (i.e. 3.4 tuned up, rather than 3.8 tuned down).
With those two changes, wouldnt it be just awesome? It would also be lighter.
I found the gearing on on the track,but on the road it is no issue ,and the torque just allows you to be in whatever gear you want to be in,and it revs beautifully.I was concerned when i read a lot of the stuff ,but for road use none of these 'issues' are bothering me.Shorter gears.
Less torquey, more revvy engine (i.e. 3.4 tuned up, rather than 3.8 tuned down).
With those two changes, wouldnt it be just awesome? It would also be lighter.
siheb said:
.....the GT4
Beat the GT3RS, 675LT & 488GTB amongst others.
A turnup for the books?
suprising ,but finally a mag sees the light .If you have extensive access to tracks than the gt3,488 etc are more thrilling,but on the road you would be terrified driving many of those cars as they are just too fast .You can use more of the gt4 ability for far more of the time than you can with those 'supercars'.Beat the GT3RS, 675LT & 488GTB amongst others.
A turnup for the books?
franki68 said:
ORD said:
The most striking thing about the GT4 is that it could so easily have been far better, too.
Shorter gears.
Less torquey, more revvy engine (i.e. 3.4 tuned up, rather than 3.8 tuned down).
With those two changes, wouldnt it be just awesome? It would also be lighter.
I found the gearing on on the track,but on the road it is no issue ,and the torque just allows you to be in whatever gear you want to be in,and it revs beautifully.I was concerned when i read a lot of the stuff ,but for road use none of these 'issues' are bothering me.Shorter gears.
Less torquey, more revvy engine (i.e. 3.4 tuned up, rather than 3.8 tuned down).
With those two changes, wouldnt it be just awesome? It would also be lighter.
I find 981 gearing so bad that it almost writes the car off entirely for me. The gearing in my 997 is too long, too, and the gears are shorter (with similar torque to the GT4 - it's not about pace, it's about getting towards the redline more often).Steve Rance said:
Cars become more dull when they cease to rely on chassis feedback as a performance aid. The incremental move away from that phylosophy - in terms of GT cars - started with the 997GT3 via an active damping system which diluted a decent amount of chasis feedback. Now that has morphed to Electronic vectoring systems and rear wheel steering which provide a big leap forward in accessable performance to less skilled/experienced drivers at the expence of pure feedback.
One may of course argue that many drivers may not actually dial themselves into a car to notice or appreciate this feedback, but for those that can - and I believe/hope that this may stil be a very large number of potential buyers - I believe that the quest for ultimate performance at the cost of feedback and tactility is a retrograde phylosophy.
As we all find out on Monday / Tuesday thrashing around the evo triangle. One may of course argue that many drivers may not actually dial themselves into a car to notice or appreciate this feedback, but for those that can - and I believe/hope that this may stil be a very large number of potential buyers - I believe that the quest for ultimate performance at the cost of feedback and tactility is a retrograde phylosophy.
There's simply no comparison re a sorted early 911 against a modern 911 in any guise. I found the 991 GT3 exhilarating, but on these roads....way to big and cumbersome. The R will be the same. Huge.
The feedback from an early 911 is astonishing.
Edited by Robbo66 on Friday 30th October 14:10
79TurboS said:
had a quick read, main reason for why RS didn't win was its limits are just far too high to make it enjoyable on the public roads. Nevertheless surprising result.
Well done EVO for being brave enough to put a drivers' car ahead of cars that really are too quick and accomplished for road use. Supports AP's comments about GT3s being about lap times and Cayman/Boxster being about driving.
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