Evo car of the year 2015 is...... SPOILER!
Discussion
The hit is pure speed. From experience it wears off, the brain adapts to it very quickly and is always looking for inceremental increases. Involvement - for me - is much more rewarding. Which is why most of the time I pick up the keys to my 964 when I want to go for a drive. Its just as much fun at 30mph as it is at 70mph because it gives so much feedback. It is fun to drive and surely that is what a road car should be all about?
Steve Rance said:
The hit is pure speed. From experience it wears off, the brain adapts to it very quickly and is always looking for inceremental increases. Involvement - for me - is much more rewarding. Which is why most of the time I pick up the keys to my 964 when I want to go for a drive. Its just as much fun at 30mph as it is at 70mph because it gives so much feedback. It is fun to drive and surely that is what a road car should be all about?
exactly the hit is the sheer speed.People are not distinguishing between excitement and involvement you can easily have cars that are one but not the other.An mx5 is involving but it is not exciting ,somehting like an amg s65 can be exciting but not involving.
APOLO1 said:
like to hear your views when you have tracked yours....
For what reason ?Edited by APOLO1 on Wednesday 4th November 12:08
My views are of little or no importance and hold little weight to anyone beside myself. The only peoples opinion that matter to me are those that I know personally and whose thoughts I value or those with knowledge far greater than my own and that I am happy to pay for.
Everything else is for entertainment only and taken with a large pinch of salt.
Scooty100 said:
Have to say I'd have liked to see Sutcliffe or Jethro review the car also but Harris, Meaden and Prior just as well respected so I'll take their observations as read
Jethro reviewed it in issue 214. Full, nine page effort. I just read it again and it's clear that he really, really likes the GT4!
For those interested in getting more insight into Ecoty 2015 and the decision making, Nick Trott has popped up on rennlist and has been posting regularly today.
An example of one of the Q&A type sessions:
"If there is one single element you have to choose on what makes the gt4 a better Evo car than the competition, what would you say it is?"
"without giving too much of the story away, for me it's that the car is joyously cohesive. Also: communication/feedback at all speeds is second-to-none, control weights are pretty much perfect, and you always feel like you're driving it - rather than the other way around..."
An example of one of the Q&A type sessions:
"If there is one single element you have to choose on what makes the gt4 a better Evo car than the competition, what would you say it is?"
"without giving too much of the story away, for me it's that the car is joyously cohesive. Also: communication/feedback at all speeds is second-to-none, control weights are pretty much perfect, and you always feel like you're driving it - rather than the other way around..."
I thought it was a well written and enlightening piece. The result didn't seem out of kilter with the text to me at all. Pretty fair I would say, the criticism of the RS seemed to be that to get the most out of it you had to drive at speeds that are anti-social for the road. And the 675 LT had slightly odd steering response. Personally I rather fancy that Z/28 !
Adam Towler emailed me the other day and said (I was telling him I missed out on allocation):
"I'm afraid I'm only going to make your GT4 mindset worse. I have to tell you that it's the best car I've driven in such a long time. I love every single part of it, and just thinking about the blasted thing makes me tingle. Even if I had £500K, I'd still just go out and buy a GT4. I had one again on loan more recently, and just loved every second of it. It's a very special car."
I'm sure he won't mind me reproducing that, here.
He was part of the eCOTY panel and clearly rates it very, very highly.
He certainly didn't make me feel better about missing out
But I am very pleased that he is back on the team as he has an appreciation of the older metal!
"I'm afraid I'm only going to make your GT4 mindset worse. I have to tell you that it's the best car I've driven in such a long time. I love every single part of it, and just thinking about the blasted thing makes me tingle. Even if I had £500K, I'd still just go out and buy a GT4. I had one again on loan more recently, and just loved every second of it. It's a very special car."
I'm sure he won't mind me reproducing that, here.
He was part of the eCOTY panel and clearly rates it very, very highly.
He certainly didn't make me feel better about missing out
But I am very pleased that he is back on the team as he has an appreciation of the older metal!
I think that this says as much about where road car design is going as it does about the GT4. Compare a GT4 to a 964RS,993RS,996GT3(any version) and see which car is more engaging. I'll wager The Gt4 will be last by a long way. The wheel hasnt been re invented with the GT4, but hopefully the comitte of twerps who shape Porsche model design may sit up and take note.
This isnt beardy man talk. Give me a race car and I;ll ask for anything that will help my lap time because my only goal is speed. On the road I want some fun, engagement a little challenge and some speed.
Surely I am not alone?
This isnt beardy man talk. Give me a race car and I;ll ask for anything that will help my lap time because my only goal is speed. On the road I want some fun, engagement a little challenge and some speed.
Surely I am not alone?
Steve Rance said:
I think that this says as much about where road car design is going as it does about the GT4. Compare a GT4 to a 964RS,993RS,996GT3(any version) and see which car is more engaging. I'll wager The Gt4 will be last by a long way. The wheel hasnt been re invented with the GT4, but hopefully the comitte of twerps who shape Porsche model design may sit up and take note.
This isnt beardy man talk. Give me a race car and I;ll ask for anything that will help my lap time because my only goal is speed. On the road I want some fun, engagement a little challenge and some speed.
Surely I am not alone?
Many more people want a car they can use on the road maybe more than they do on track though Steve and tbh the cars you mention above just aren't as user friendly as the Gt4 will be for Sunday morning hoons with our sThis isnt beardy man talk. Give me a race car and I;ll ask for anything that will help my lap time because my only goal is speed. On the road I want some fun, engagement a little challenge and some speed.
Surely I am not alone?
te roads for the majority. Horses for courses as they say
Steve Rance said:
I think that this says as much about where road car design is going as it does about the GT4. Compare a GT4 to a 964RS,993RS,996GT3(any version) and see which car is more engaging. I'll wager The Gt4 will be last by a long way. The wheel hasnt been re invented with the GT4, but hopefully the comitte of twerps who shape Porsche model design may sit up and take note.
This isnt beardy man talk. Give me a race car and I;ll ask for anything that will help my lap time because my only goal is speed. On the road I want some fun, engagement a little challenge and some speed.
Surely I am not alone?
you are not alone Steve I'm with you 100%.....I have my RS for the entertaining mad moments on track and skittish roadwork (Parr geo)....and a new Targa 4 GTS for some spirited GT road driving (Euro honing) in relative comfort......I'm soooo fortunate to have both.....BTW delivery of Targa 28th Nov......excited....you bet This isnt beardy man talk. Give me a race car and I;ll ask for anything that will help my lap time because my only goal is speed. On the road I want some fun, engagement a little challenge and some speed.
Surely I am not alone?
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